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Best polish & glaze option for a dark grey metallic?

Discussion in 'Detailing' started by alfiejts, May 17, 2009.

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    [May 17, 2009]
    Rich,
    I've read your threads and advice on dark metallics, but before I take the plunge and choose one of your selections, I'd appreciate one last piece of advice in case it makes a material chnge to the alternative options you'd recommend...

    My wife's car is six months old and ready for next valet. When brand new, I clayed it and put on two coats of Collinite 476S. Its never had a "polish" on it...

    When the sun is on the paint, the flakes really come out and it looks great.

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    But when the sun's not out, it just looks a bland grey... (See the bumper here below...)



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    There's still a good "shine" on the paint, as you can see from the reflection off the doors, but there's no "depth" to the colour when the sun's not on it - it just looks bland.

    I'm not sure if this is just a factor of the clearcoat over grey metallic, or if there's something I can do to make the flake shine through better on a dull day.

    I was on the verge of ordering your Acrylic kit (especially as my A3's silver, so it would be good for that too), but thought I'd seek your advise in case you had any better suggestions to make the paint stand out better when the sun's not out...

    Thanks,
    Graham
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    WX51TXR Polished Bliss

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    [May 18, 2009]
    Hi Graham, hmm, I think you are going to struggle on that colour; unless the sun is out, the flake is never going to stand out that much, due to the tone of the grey. The above piccies show a nice finish; I think Werkstat Acrylic is the logical choice to add an edge in terms of sharpness and flake pop (when the sun is out), but I don't think it will help so much with the dull day issue; it will deliver an equally glossy, shiny look, but without the sun the flake will not stand out anymore than with the existing system you are using. I would maybe suggest swapping once the Collinite is used up, as the silver finish will certainly be improved by Werkstat in all lighting conditions. :yes:
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    [May 19, 2009]
    Thanks Rich,
    I think I'll get the Werkstat kit and give it a good clay and polish. Its six months old now anyway so ready for a good going over again.

    The "dull" effect is at its greatest when viewing the paint from a shallow angle. Its as if there's a "layer" somewhere that's not letting you see the depth of the paint unless viewed straight on.
    Perhaps a good polish of the clearcoat will help.

    I was just checking that you didn't think there would be a material difference between results from the Werkstat Acrylic and the Blackfire Gloss Ehancing polish in this situation....

    Thanks again,
    Graham
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    [May 27, 2009]
    No, rest assured, in this case I think the Werkstat will offer an edge over our other offerings. :icon_thumright:
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    [May 29, 2009]
    He he. Its like Christmas. Two boxes of detailing goodies arrived today!

    Frustratingly, its a baking hot 25c outside, so there's nothing I can do today to make a start......

    Still, I'll post an update when I make progress....
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    [Jun 1, 2009]
    Well here we are, 14 hours of hard work later......

    Spent Friday evening and the whole weekend in the shade of my garage whilst the rest of the country baked in the sun!

    First, I can't believe the colour change to my A3.

    It'd previously been clayed and had two good coats of Collinite 476S wax. That had given it a slightly darker shade and the light did fall off differently angles panels quite nicely, but stripping all that off and applying the Werkstat Acrylic kit has returned the car to its naturally light shade.

    Picture doesn't really do it justice...

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    But the real difference is to my wife's dark grey metallic Yaris.

    That's only a few months old, but the two coats of Collinite created a slight sheen on the paint that didn't allow you to see the detail in the paint at shallow angles of reflection - but I think you'll see here that the difference is amazing..

    Firstly, this shows the mess in the garage, but the reflection in the roof has to be seen to be believed....

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    Now before and after images of the front wing, where you can see the clarity that the Acrylic kit gives through to the paint flake...

    Before:
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    And after:
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    So what did I do?

    1) Wash with Pollack detergent
    2) Meguirs clay bar cleanse.
    3) Hand polish using Menzerna 85RE compound. (Not sure if this really did any good, but wanted to try and make sure I'd removed all the previous wax)
    4) Hand-applied coat of Werrkstat Acrylic Prime
    5) 3 coats of Jett Trigger, each half an hour apart
    6) Final coat of Werkstat Gloss to ensure all residues removed and to apply final finish.

    (oh and in between the Jett Trigger coats, I clayed the wheels, applied one coat of Prime and two coats of Collinite 476S wax to protect them and cleaned the exhaust tailpipe's with Meguires metal polish....)

    After doing that to two cars all day Saturday and Sunday, I slept soundly last night! :)
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    Wow that before and after of the wing is incredible - the depth of paint and the specks showing is awesome :salute: Looks a similar colour to my Dolphin Grey A4 - makes me think ......

    I hope she was grateful!
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    [Jun 3, 2009]
    Awesome results, well done you for getting them both done so quickly! Glad the Werkstat delivered the expected results - it really is a fantastic system that excels on light to mid-tone silvers and greys... as the pictures show! If you get chance, keep going with the coats of Trigger - if you can get neat to a dozen on both cars you won't need to do anything but wash them for months and months on end to keep them looking good, and the glossiness will be further improved. Well done that man, and thanks for sharing! :icon_thumright:
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