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Best audio quality - which input?

ConS3 Mar 20, 2014

  1. ConS3

    ConS3 Active Member

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    So, which would be the best input to use for sound quality? SD? Bluetooth? AMI?

    I know it depends on the quality of the source, but I'm not sure if the MMI uses the same DAC for all of input sources?
     
  2. madrussa

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    The best would be to use CD's.
     
  3. 0B1001001

    0B1001001 Well-Known Member Team Monsoon Audi S3

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    Pretty sure it supports FLAC, so FLAC on SD card would be best (with embedded album art at 800x800). Not got my car yet but think that's what I'll be using.
     
  4. arad85

    arad85 Active Member Team V6 Audi S5 Black Edition

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    It will use the same DAC.

    Even if there was a difference, assuming the same source material (i.e. exactly the same file) it isn't going to make a blind bit of difference which input is used as any subtle nuances which might be better are going to be completely masked by any road noise (and I speak as an audiophile who has spent as much as a new A3 on audio equipment over the years).

    The best source file will be either direct from CD or FLAC files (I think the MMI plays FLAC files) as these are lossless formats. You aren't likely to be able to tell much difference between that and well compressed mp3s in a car though IMHO - due to the general environmental noise as mentioned above.
     
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  5. felsby

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    AAC 320kbps from SD has an advantage of being immune to read errors - plus, you may hit the road with 1000 CD´s on a 128Gb card. That´s what I chose. I am an audiophile also, and I myself struggle to distinguish 320kbps from CD after two beers. :beerchug:

    edit: MMI can´t read files in FLAC or Apple lossless according to the manual, that states 320kbps as the upper limit, but I havent´t tested it.
     
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  6. felsby

    felsby Member

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    OT on: I cannot figure how to put my car´s details at the bottom of my posts like OB1001001! OT off
     
  7. 0B1001001

    0B1001001 Well-Known Member Team Monsoon Audi S3

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    Settings at top, Edit Signature on left
     
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  8. arad85

    arad85 Active Member Team V6 Audi S5 Black Edition

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    Apparently the tech. pack addon can according to posts on the forum......
     
  9. 0B1001001

    0B1001001 Well-Known Member Team Monsoon Audi S3

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    If you want to save space vs. FLAC, I'd go for 320kbps VBR MP3.
     
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  10. RossR

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    I've got tech pack with connect and can play FLAC at 48KHz, 16bit. I've not tried higher bit depth or sample rate, although I did successfully play a DVD with 96KHz, 24bit PCM audio. I doubt the DAC is anywhere near that quality, but it did play.
     
  11. oaf

    oaf Driving... Team Panther Audi S3 s tronic

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    First post(!)

    I tried to find on the web the maximum supported AAC bitrate and couldn't; however my car is happily playing ("True") [T]VBR Apple-encoded AAC files at the highest quality setting. Foobar2000 reports that the bitrate of these files often peaks (quite some way) over 320kbps but I haven't encountered any stutters yet, they all play fine. I've got a new S3 with B&O stereo but no tech pack.

    I used https://sites.google.com/site/qaacpage/ in conjunction with foobar2000 to transcode my FLAC files to AAC. This means I can use (the good) Apple encoder without installing the (not so good!) iTunes :) and have the flexibility of Foobar too. Killer samples aside I'd defy anyone to ABX the FLAC/AAC files (and that's before the car has started!) ;)

    Hope this helps someone.
     
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  12. PembsA3

    PembsA3 Active Member

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    Slightly off-topic but I tried a cd for first time in my week old car (been using Bluetooth...) and there is no track data showing on the MMI... What's wrong?
     
  13. snakehips

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    Agreed. I have used both formats and really can't tell the difference in the car, but maybe this is because I'm running on Continentals...
     
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  14. RVP20

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    Yeah I have noticed this. It only shows cd track 1 only
     
  15. felsby

    felsby Member

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    mine shows all tracks. Standard MMI (w/o HDD, touch)
     
  16. Itguy

    Itguy Well-Known Member

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    :laugh:
     
  17. felsby

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    Probably :)
    But seriously, 320kbps for in-car audio is really good enough.
     
  18. JohnM100

    JohnM100 #teamSepang VCDS Map User Gold Supporter

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    +1

    only tried recent CDs though. Perhaps older ones or burned CDs don't have CD-Text

    John.
     
  19. 0B1001001

    0B1001001 Well-Known Member Team Monsoon Audi S3

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    All this talk of actual, real CD's is just so 80's :wacko:
     
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  20. danilotto

    danilotto Active Member Audi S3

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    24 bit >48 KHz DACs are expensive stuff. I doubt that they fit a high-res high-sr DAC in a small family car. Maybe on bigger models. I think if you try to play hi-res material it is resampled before the DAC.

    I could be wrong obviously.
     
  21. PembsA3

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    Brand new original recording cd - no track info - just "Track 1" "Track 2" etc... Surely that's not right with all this talk of people seeing videos and album covers via their MMI...
     
  22. RVP20

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    Yeah I'm confused. I've tried loads of CDs and none of them show the track names?
     
  23. illingworth22

    illingworth22 Active Member TeamMisano Audi S3 Audi A3

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    Slightly off topic.... only just! I have all my music on my iPhone 5S and play via Bluetooth. How come some of the Album Art is displayed and other artwork is not? (Generic Artwork is displayed)
     
  24. JohnM100

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  25. oufc1976

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    Ditto that.

    Did some tests today. Compared Eminem's Without Me in lossless, MP3 and AAC (via iPod and SD)

    And whatever others may say, for me there is a massive difference between lossless and the compressed formats.

    As such, it's iPod all the way for me.

    Played a CD and was surprisingly underwhelmed although it wasn't the same track to be fair.

    Makes me think Audi scrimped on the CD transport
     
  26. arad85

    arad85 Active Member Team V6 Audi S5 Black Edition

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    It does depend on what bitrate though.... 320k CBR or 192k VBR (mp3) are very difficult to tell apart from original - even on quite high end gear....
     
  27. oufc1976

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    Both AAC and MP3 files were 320kbs

    The difference was most noticable in the low end frequencies.

    It's clear as day to my ears. But I accept its different for different people
     
  28. arad85

    arad85 Active Member Team V6 Audi S5 Black Edition

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    I would challenge you to a double blind test... but my anorak days are behind me..... :)
     
  29. RVP20

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    Thinking of loading a 128gb SD card. What type of file should I put on it? ACC? Is this the best sound quality?
     
  30. 0B1001001

    0B1001001 Well-Known Member Team Monsoon Audi S3

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    Embedded image size greater than 800x800 pixels? I believe this is the limit.
     
  31. felsby

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    Rvp20: yes, AAC 320 kbps was my choice.
     
  32. oufc1976

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    Lossless every day.

    AAC/MP3s sound thin. And even the CD player, which in principle should be the best, sounds flat.
     
  33. PembsA3

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    No matter how I organise the music files on the SD card, (e.g. by album...) the MMI always displays the files in track number order i.e. all the first tracks on all the albums first... Can't find any way of changing how they are sorted via MMI... Help anyone?..
     
  34. oufc1976

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    Similar question. How do you shuffle 'all' songs?
     
  35. cemerson

    cemerson Well-Known Member Team Cosmos quattro Audi A3 S-line owners group TDi DSG

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    For the first one, I use the 'folder' view in the MMI media menu, just lets you browse by folder.

    For shuffle, it's just in the options for me. Load the whole SD card to the playlist and then put shuffle on.
     
  36. PembsA3

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    I don't have any 'folders' showing on the MMI - below 'SD Card' level I have all the tracks listed... Should I have put each album in a different folder on the computer when I ripped the CDs?..
     
  37. andy203

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    I just copied and pasted the individual albums from PC to SD card, and they appear in the MMI in alphabetical order.
     
  38. felsby

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    Seems like you have to blame the DAC, then.
     
  39. felsby

    felsby Member

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    Which program did you use to rip them?

    Yes, it would be a good idea to organise tracks in folders. The MMI cannot sort them for you. :meeting:
     
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    I used Windows media to rip them.
     

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