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Badger 5 80mm Pipe with air box query.

Discussion in 'A3/S3 Forum (8L Chassis)' started by rhinopower, May 21, 2014.

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    [May 21, 2014]
    Hi Guys

    Got stuck in fitting my TIP today, i struggled a bit at first and Bill is kindly sending me out an adaptor to extend one of my hoses, but i can't seem to get it to sit right on the air box without 'collapsing' the hose a bit. The guide suggests trimming a bit off the hose but i don't think that will fix my problem, it is as if my air box is too high? I'm not sure if maybe part of the maf housing itself wants trimming, or wether because its an import, my car has a slightly different air box.

    I've attached a picture, hopefully someone can tell me what i've done wrong :)

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    Hi, having had one on my previous car the tip seemed to "cobra neck" on the bend. I took it to Mr badger for a health check and asked about that.
    A little bit of cobra necking okay as long as its not a major squash on the bend.

    cobra necking= flattening on bend
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    There is certainly some cobra necking, I won't worry if its ok as it is, I'm just puzzled that i'm having the opposite problem to what i should do. I've got a brand new piper cross panel filter, i'm not a fan on cone filters, particularly when i like to keep an OEM looking engine bay.
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    I too would stick with a panel filter if it went for one of these TIPs. Was you previous TIP the standard one? Have you done any logging? Does it feel any different/better?
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    Trimming MAF end reduces the pull on it..
    Best results are running open cone and heatshields.
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    I should do some logging, standard pipe on there before. Which blocks do I need to log on vagcom.

    Il try taking 10mm off the maf end of the silicon hose and see how that improves things
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    [May 22, 2014]
    002 and 003 are airflow
    118 will show actual boost and aits
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    I originally wanted to keep the standard airbox myself with the B5 TIP, but once I saw the gains of a cone filter, it was a no brainer really.
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    I hate you all! Lol, What cone filter and head shield should i be looking at? I've spent nearly £2k since i bought the car a month ago including clutch and dmf, good job i only paid £1500 for the car.
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    What are the gains from your experience of having a cone filter?
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    I had the B5 TIP and cone fitted at the same time, and had before and after RR aswell, think I gained 15bhp? off the top of my head, which is an amazing for an induction kit. The gains are through the rev range too, just feels livelier on the road.
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    One is not disconnected from the other I suspect.
    purchase price vs expenditure thereafter

    you are in a big club.... and going down the same path as others
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    Yeah my s3 felt restricted when I first bought it standard, fitted a b5 tip myself plus cone filter as it is reasonably cheap mod, and the car came alive, was going to work one morning and my work colleague was behind me in his Impreza wrx standard, a stretch of Tarmac opened up about 2 miles long, no traffic, and he couldn't get past me, was chuffed with that, or maybe he can't drive ha!
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    [May 23, 2014]
    Bought filter this morning, and this evening i am picking up a non resonated miltek for a mere £280!
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    Bargain exhaust!
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    I've been looking for a second hand miltek for quite some time, never seem to find one!
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    Bought and fitted the cone filter instead. It's still got a slight kink, needs tweaking and data logging :)
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    [Oct 12, 2014]
    Sunday 12 October 2014 12:07:26:60231 VCDS Version: Release 11.11.0 Data version: 20111111
    8L0 906 018 N 1.8L R4/5VT 0002

    Group A: '002 Group B: '003 Group C: '118
    RPM Load Inj. On Time Mass Flow RPM Mass Flow Load Ign. Timing RPM Temperature Load Absolute Pres.
    TIME TIME TIME
    Marker STAMP /min % ms g/s STAMP /min g/s % °BTDC STAMP /min °C % mbar
    1 208.82 1520 63.2 6.97 21.06 209.22 1600 25.92 72.9 17.3 209.6 1680 21 92.9 1100
    209.89 1760 94 9.43 32.69 210.19 1800 35.64 81.6 14.3 210.49 1880 20 92.9 1200
    210.79 1960 106 10.66 40.47 211.09 2040 45.03 88.2 12.8 211.39 2120 20 92.9 1330
    211.7 2200 123.3 12.3 54.39 211.99 2320 59.83 93.7 12.8 212.29 2400 19 65.1 1520
    212.6 2520 153.4 15.58 76 212.89 2680 80.17 98 10.5 213.2 2800 19 57.6 1690
    213.5 2920 157.9 15.58 88.97 213.8 3040 91.14 100 12 214.19 3280 19 70.2 1900
    214.49 3400 191.7 18.86 130.5 214.89 3640 141.17 100 10.5 215.18 3800 20 77.6 2280
    215.49 4000 191.7 20.91 160.94 215.79 4200 167.5 100 10.5 216.09 4400 21 78.8 2330
    216.39 4560 191.7 21.73 182.56 216.69 4720 187.44 100 8.3 216.99 4880 22 78.8 2290
    217.29 5040 191.7 20.91 198.97 217.59 5200 203.97 100 12 217.9 5360 24 81.2 2250
    218.19 5480 128.6 11.48 111.86 218.49 5360 0 3.1 10.5 218.79 4960 21 0 1250
    219.09 4600 2.3 1.23 7.53 219.39 4280 7.42 3.1 9.8 219.69 4000 22 0 1070
    219.99 3720 9.8 0 6.86 220.28 3440 6.56 2.7 9.8 220.7 3120 23 0 1040
    2 220.98 2920 6.8 0 3.86 221.28 2760 4.08 2 9.8 1421.61 2680 23 0 1030
    1421.94 2520 7.5 0 3.64 1422.25 2440 3.5 2 9.8 1422.55 2360 24 0 1030
    1422.84 2280 8.3 0 3.86 1423.14 2200 3.44 2 9.8 1423.44 2120 24 0 1030
    1423.75 2080 8.3 0 3.14 1424.05 1960 3.61 2 7.5 1424.35 1880 24 0 1020
    1424.64 1840 8.3 0 2.89 1424.94 1760 3.03 1.6 -1.5 1425.24 1720 24 0 1020
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    [Oct 12, 2014]
    Hows this look log wise now with the Tip all fitted etc? I think the silicon might need redoing on the turbo join to the billet adaptor. I dont know if i need to upload the log differently?
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    As a pdf

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    you hit 204g/s at one stage which is amazing. Using a rough calc that would estimate your bhp to be around 255 which is unreal.. What other mods does your car have? Been mapped?
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    Stage 1 remap from CCC-tech, badger 5 tip and induction kit. Forge recirc valve with 1 spring up from standard, milltek exhaust. :)
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