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Back from JKM, adjustable rear tie-bars

Discussion in 'A3/S3 Forum (8L Chassis)' started by Squirrelofdoom, Oct 23, 2012.

  1. Squirrelofdoom
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    Hi guys,

    Sent the car down to JKM to investigate my suspension setup. As I thought it really looks like the car's been in an accident at some point. I've already replaced all 4 wheels cuz the originals were buckled. I clocked all 4 hubs and replaced both the nearside hubs because they were buckled; while doing this it didn't look like the offside ones were buckled at all, they ran true. So I always assumed the left side had been slung into a kerb, messing up the nearside suspension.

    So, JKM have said that 4WA threw up some problems because the rear right camber couldn't be adjusted and was way out, possibly due to crash damage. In addition there is still a slight pull to the left. Their recommended solution was that adjustable rear tie-bars might be able to sort the problem. So maybe all 4 corners have been stuffed by damage?

    So, my questions are:

    1) Should I bother doing any more work to the car given it's apparent history, or will I just be dumping money in with no end in sight and no gains?
    2) If I do try and fix the problems and get adjustable rear tie-bars, I understand S3Dave no longer makes his - so would there be any others which are recommended?

    Thanks for the help guys. Am a bit apprehensive about the car now that even JKM came to the same conclusions as I did :S

    Cheers,
    Aran
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    With that diagnosis I think I'd be looking to get shot & replace the car. It sounds like there's a fundamental alignment problem that's not straightforward to address from what you say. However I don't know how long you've had it & whether you've already sunk any £ into it.
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    I've just recieved some compbrake arms from DPM. Quality goods good, really fast delivery from them too. Pretty good price wise compared to the forge arms that are huge money. Kw arms have lots of stories of snapping but I know people on here that have had no issues with them.

    Hoping to get mine fitted soon but probably won't be set up for a while due to lacking funds :(
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    had the car for 10 months now, just finished polybushing it, new wheels etc - maybe £1,000 to £1,500 on it so far trying to fix the problems that came with the car :S
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    Hmm, not such an easy decision then. Maybe it would be worth a thorough inspection to see exactly what's wrong. Rear subframe?
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    I don't relaly know enough about chassis/suspension stuff to do and inspection myself - and I imagine getting someone else to do it would be rather pricey too :S
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    Where in Surrey are you? I know a few people around here that can help. Has the car been lowered at all? If it has adjustable rear tie arms are essential as you have no doubt already read. I've had garages in the past that said they couldn't correct the camber and then others who have had no problems at all. Well worth getting a second opinion before you decide anything.
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    I'm in Chobham, near enough to Virginia Water or Staines
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    Gutted mate :(

    I would find a proper allignment place neardy with a 4wd setup and get them to redo the geometry on your car as they should be able to give you more info on if its a lost cause or not.
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    JKM did a 4WA when it was up there, i'll talk to them about what exactly was done when I go see them
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    vrbob Thats no Moon, Thats a space station!

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    Yeah good plan but am sure there are proper tracking specialists etc that might be able to give you a more comprehensive check and adjustment than JKM might be able to do.

    Your rear camber didnt look that bad to me when i saw your car so gotta be more a toe in/out isssue i would guess
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    i'm gonna have to see how the car feels really. If i'm not happy with it and it seems like it could stem from a large problem such as subframe / chassis problem then I would consider selling up :S
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    i have the compbrake tie bars got them for 159.99 from the company them selves ebay mate
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    that's not too bad. I wouldn't mind shelling out that much, what I'm scared of is that it won't help and something expensive like subframe - or simply irreversible like chassis damage - is wrong (or too wrong to fix cost effectively)
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    get it check by a pro before spending any more
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    definitely will do. Any advice on "Pros" in this field in the Surrey area? Am I looking for a 4WA place? Or a suspension specialist? Is there anyone who can put the car on a chassis jig or something and see what hard points no longer line up?
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    yeah was thinkig a jig but then it always got that problem break it cut your losts start again with something straight i would in the back of my mind the car is broke etc

    i live in cornwall so wont no anything up that way sorry
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    I'd get it on a Hunter alignment machine. Somewhere that does crash damage repair.
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    any advice anyone for somewhere that does this in Surrey?
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