May 14, 2009
Obviously. Might aswell be a bike.
Just to add to this, I've only had my S3 for about 3 weeks now having sold my 05 Civic TypeR, There is no point comparing my TypeR to my 01 210 S3, In a race on dry straight roads the civic would have the S3 every day without doubt, If it was wet the lack of grip in the civic would let the S3 make such a gap on take off that the civic would never catch.
So far I've not got to know the S3 enough to make judgment on the corners but the Civic was very good round the bends with lift off oversteer thats very easy to control.
The Civic really brings out the race driver in you where the S3 just dosn't, 2 great cars but a very differant driving experiance alltogether.
PS, My S3 was bought to be tuned so I can exept the The Civic being better as standard.
thanks for the insight biggied..... would agree with all the handling characteristics as heard a hell of a lot about the type R's, as for straight line, if you have a perfect running standard S3 then i think you will pretty much be neck and neck...no way would the civic tear a standard S3 to pieces.... i can guarantee you this both through experiance (there are a few local)and by using the tinterweb for 1/4 mile times and factory figs....
I'd agree with biggied on this one...my remapped A3 would keep with standard S3 on the straight...been tested. I did come across a ctr in my A3 and couldn't keep with it...
Best to watch with sound on!
And just FYI, the White EP3 CTR has 225PS and LSD.
i still dont think the CTR would wipe the floor with a standard S3, simple as.... dont forget the S3 isnt a simple car to drive either....most people assume you have to rev the **** out of it to get the best performance and they couldnt be more wrong.... hence why it will have taken most S3 owners a good few days/weeks to actually learn to drive it (talkin strsaight line stuff here). Also dont think a mapped A3 would beat a standard S3 if it was being driven properly, your telling me a map on an A3 takes it from a 8.2 0-60 to the late 6's with just a map.... never on this planet
I know quoting figures and stats isn't always reliable, but it gives a good indication.
0-60 for the 210bhp S3 and the later (2004 onwards) EP3 CTR are both approx 6.6 seconds (pre 2004 CTR is 6.9 seconds). The 0-100 figures are approx 18 seconds for the S3 and 16.5 for the CTR.
im sure the S3 is quicker than that 0-100.... that said from a standing start the turbo wont be as effective at the top end so thats probably accurate
Animal, I know the remapped A3 wouldn't be as quick as a standard S3 off the line cause of traction, once rolling though they'd be nothing in it...my experience in both circumstances was rolling in second gear...don't under estimate the civic, it's an awesome motor in the dry...
yes i agree that the civic is on par with an s3 in the dry standing start but ive raced one from 2nd onwards and i just pull away as soon as the turbo kicks in while they are waiting for the v-tec to kick in then by that time that cant make the gap up. but i must say it is hard to keep with them off pull of as we have all those transmission losses
0-100 in 210 S3 is 16.4
well the stats speak for themselves....theres hardly anything in it at all.... we have tranny losses they have wheel spin..... swings and roundabouts, point being that a standard S3 would not get hammered by a CTR
I don't know if anyone said it would get hammered...I believe in standard form the civic would have the edge in a straight line and be quicker round a track...
Dry track that is...
na i think straight line will be neck and neck...best driver etc.... figures suggest that and thats my experiance too
dry track would go CTR without doubt in the right hands
Wonder which one is quicker from around 30mph?
thatl be interesting....
Hmm... The CTR is more racey and adjustable i agree, plus a joy to rev with the best gear change and brakes, but not quite as grippy. In the wet it was pretty skittish and terrible at making progress. As for straight line speed, i don't think there is much in it at all. Ignore 0-60 times as they are pointless without frying clutches and snapping gear levers. There really wasn't much difference between my S3 (when it was std) to my previous CTR and my mates 2007 one
A-B, the traction and low down torque make it far easier to push on
I don't think the S3 is as chuckable though in std form
Just thought I'd add my 2p to this. Minding my own business at the wknd a yellow S2000 with Mecano spoiler and twin 5" pipes blasts past me on the inside lane and stops at the lights up ahead. I pull up next to him look over, cant see f-all as the windows are tinted but they came down a touch to reveal a rather large spliff... Some revving of the vtec follows and the lights go green, Never one to miss up on a challenge I floored it, 1st gear was pretty close (just edging it) but once I changed up it was time for bed for that sillly billy.
I thought they were supposed to be quick, not quick enough to beat a sorted S3 though!
good lad maz
2-0 to the s3 so far
Looks very close.
certainly does..... reality is we are never going to know as both cars are that old now.... a scalps a scalp.... no way was that a remapped fully working S3 though, this i know for certain
Maz mentioned Mecano spoiler...... Like what on earth are people thinking when they put them on. I don't care how stoned or Chav'ed up or even skint people are..... there is no excuse, I repeat, NO EXCUSE for them!
I feel strongly about them as you can see
Seriously tho, why would anybody put one on, they disgust me. If I ever meet anyone with one of them.... I turn my back on them (Naboo Style!).
Got to love the Meccano Spoiler description, they are called GT Spoilers, and are a common mod amongst Jap machinery, as every Drift car seems to have them. Stick one of those on your car, and everyone would assume you are a Drift King!
Just read some of the comments and both cars are standard,so a remapped S3 would be quicker in a straight line.
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