bowfer said:sputnik said:That would be my plan, 80% of the time I am sat in an urban crawl,/quote]
So why go for a petrol at all?
Why not go for a diesel?
I run a diesel at the moment and the fuel economy is great and it will be replaced with another one in March, but having said that you don't half see the average fuel consumption drop when your stuck in traffic (and it is a little noisy).
I am very lucky in the sense that I don't have to be too commited because I change my car once a year, and after driving the 1.4T I was seriously impressed so will probably give it a go next time(a decent spec wasn't on the last list).
Mind you there is plenty of time for me to change my mind between now and August when I choose my next one
TFSI said:Everybody talks horsepower and as useful as hp is at times TORQUE is the important one.
Driveability
2.0 TDI has more torque over a shorter rev band.
1.4 TFSI has less torque but over a much wider rev band.
bowfer said:You're arguing against the 1.4TFSI there though.
If torque is your god, then the diesel is the way to go.
Moisty said:The 2.0 diesel is being compared with the 1.4 petrol.
Try the 2.0t with the 2.0 diesel. You will then find it a very different result.
And of course as someone said before, if refinement or performance is top of your list and mpg less so, why on earth would you go for a diesel?
Quite simply, you wouldn't.
TFSI said:A 1.4 TFSI will not out perform a 2.0 TDI but i bet its not a million miles away.
bowfer said:Unless they're one of those that simply hate diesels because they sound a bit noisy at tickover...
mfspen said:It was like an on-off switch at 2000rpm - nothing below, then a cliff-face of torque.
bowfer said:The Audi isn't the quietest at tickover, with others (BMW/Honda/Ford/Renault) being a good bit quieter.
But still, it's a really petty thing to have you reaching for the petrol order form, given that tickover only plays a small part in your driving time and chances are you'll have a ****** radio/CD/MP3 on anyway.
I'll take a noisy tickover and 550 tank range over a quiet tickover and 300 mile tank range, ta very mooch.
I can do Aberdeen to Manchester in 4.5 hours, without having to stop.
I couldn't do that in many/any petrol cars.
Moisty said:BTW, if you think the BMW is quieter than an A3.... Oh dear!
We should try the 170.
According to someone on here, it will happily pull strongly and without any protest from 850rpm...
bowfer said:I don't think it is, I know it is.
I've heard a D3 and a 170 A4 ticking over, side by side.
The 170 A4 owner was in ordering a BMW, as I was.
BMW is a good bit quieter.
Once you're in the car, it's miles more refined than an A3.
Given that the A3's problem is mostly road noise, the lack of refinement cannot, on this occasion, be attributed to the diesel engine.
bowfer said:We should try the 170.
According to someone on here, it will happily pull strongly and without any protest from 850rpm...
The phrases "Itchy chin" and "Jimmy Hill" spring to mind...
Agreed.h5djr said:The road surface tends to make more difference than anything else. I drove a 320d before I decided on the 170 and I would say it was certainly quieter inside than my 140 but not much in it with the 170.
Moisty said:Have you really test driven an Alpina?
I had one for 2 years, I can tell you the road noise in an A3 is lower and I have the 18" rims.
bowfer said:Yup.
Alpina is quieter.
Have you driven a D3?
No offence, but you're the first person I've ever heard say Audi beat BMW for refinement.
I can't think of one single motoring mag that doesn't give the 3 series higher marks for refinement than Audi too.
I swear to god, my wife's Clio (new model) 1.5dci is quieter at motoway speeds than my A3 too.
If you don't believe me, go drive one.
This is why, for a family break to Alton Towers, we took her Clio.
It's hardly a scientific test, I know, but the kids' DVD players didn't need turned up so loud in the Clio.
A simple test, but an effective and important one.
Moisty said:LOL, you are funny!!
bowfer said:Have you driven a D3?
Have you driven a new Clio (a car widely reported for being the most refined small car, ever)?
I'm not lying, both are quieter than my A3 2.0tdi S-line.
Why do you hold the A3 as such a paragon of refinement?
Road noise has been discussed as pretty shocking on here for years now, going back to when the likes of Eeef had an A3.
Especially with the S-line 18" wheels.
bowfer said:Oh well.
bowfer said:Nope, I just find it hard to believe.
In your own words, get over it and move on.
GlasgowRangers said:I don't consider myself to be an expert on cars by any means but I WOULD test drive a car before dismissing it completely. I have tested all the models that I have discussed and feel I am entitled to give my opinion. I would choose a 1.4TFSi over one of those diesel things any day of the week pure and simply because I believe it is a better drive and these petrol engines are the way forward for modern motoring. Spec it up as you would with any other car and you have yourself a lovely car with twin exhausts and a lovely sounding engine
With huge expenses being attributed to diesel cars in the near future one would have to be slightly mad to dismiss the concept of a smaller turbo charged petrol unit with a lovely delivery of refinement and pace suitable for any road.
Plus there is that GODAWFUL diesel rattle. I'm sorry but I just couldn't live with that in a car. Give me my 1.8TFSi over a 2.0 Turbo Tractor any time. My father has just bought a BMW 335d Coupe M-Sport and even that ****** me off when I stand outside it. Having said that, it's probably the best example of a diesel car I have ever came across.
GlasgowRangers said:I enjoyed reading this.
http://www.companycardriver.co.uk/roadtests/article/?rt_ID=410044546
Has anybody else tested one of these things yet? Opinions? Brilliant in my opinion.
Matt said:Dont think it would deliver the same mix of performance and economy that mine does though but then it would cost less to buy.
GlasgowRangers said:To me it seemed like a normally aspirated 2.0FSi
bowfer said:That bad?!?
The 2.0Fsi is one of the most asthmatic engines I've ever driven.