scott i do know about swans and geese you know mate, i am a fisherman ffs! lol but where i go there are 3 lakes, with a pair on each lake, the middle lake is where the evil ones nest, and i mean evil, the other 2 pairs are relatively sound! they come to you for bread, (dog or not) and will hiss at the dog etc! these other 2 are something else! i will video them so you can see mate! trust me, there bad!