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anyone remapping soon?????

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    just wondering if any of you guys are gonna get your rs3 remapped .Im only asking because i fancy it too and wonder if we get a couple of owners getting it done from same place it may drop the price a tad, recomendation wise its qs tuning with mtm, the owner has an rs3 and hes getting great numbers using the mtm software but im all ears and up for suggestions

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    I've emailed a few recently. MRC seem really on the ball to me.
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    is mrc the place thats won lots of audi gold tuning awards ? i was told that audi only recognise mtm stuff with regards to warranty etc,
    what figures mrc say ?
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    Yes. All seem good I've used Revo on last three cars. APR quote some good figures and have a dealer closest.
    MRC say 410ish with secondary cat bypass pipes.
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    Tuning Stages
    [TABLE="class: styleTable, width: 587"]
    [TR="bgcolor: initial"]
    [TD="class: colLeft bold"]410bhp[/TD]
    [TD="class: doubleColLeft"]Modified MTM Motronic ECU with improved max torque 550Nm[/TD]
    [TD="class: bold tableRight, align: right"]£999.00[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR="bgcolor: initial"]
    [TD="class: colLeft bold"]424bhp[/TD]
    [TD="class: doubleColLeft"]As 410bhp version but with additional Milltek turbo back exhaust. 560Nm[/TD]
    [TD="class: bold tableRight, align: right"]£3401.00[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR="bgcolor: initial"]
    [TD="class: colLeft bold"]472bhp[/TD]
    [TD="class: doubleColLeft"]On request. Approx 600Nm[/TD]
    [TD="class: bold tableRight, align: right"]£0.00[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [/TABLE]
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    Crazy small world just had qs email me , hi if your reading this
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    qs??
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    MRC £2900 inc vat for full milltek, stage2 remap, high flow filter, and fitting is the package price.
    Inc RR time (I think before and after) and engine health check
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    Qstuning google them
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    Mrc have done quite a few ttrs if I remember correctly, my rs4 runs an mrc map and the boost and fuelling is at sensible levels
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    I was recomended qs because they use
    mtm and the guy who runs it has 2 rs3's and has done maps etc for Audi dealerships direct so thought it was way foward,
    do you know what nm's mrc state ? Ive just been on there site no info about rs3 but did message them
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    Ah very interesting. Used Revo for yrs.

    Any prices from them? Cheers
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    Qs prices above

    Qs Tuning
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    Doh! Sorry mate having quick peep in work!!
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    I have APR remapping and there was about 400bhp and 570nm.
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    mrc looked to be most promising from what i've read around on the forums, i think i would go for bluefin too but had heard of some issues on some ttrs where they'd gone into limp mode. dont feel so confident on that therefore, even tho mrc is more expensive. was planning on also going 2ndary cat bypass too thou, so would have both done the same time. what you thinkin about?
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    mrc vid, the figures are at the end

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    How much torque does the OEM clutch can handle?
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    latest ones are updated i think i read, 600 nm or so i believe?
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    so si you reckon you may use qs? maybe give them a call the guy to talk to there is kim, like i said i was recomended to use the mtm remapp as its world known and their numbers are good and audi like them too, i know what you mean about mrc with all the rewards etc but on the flip side ive heard bad stories with bluefin so yer confused.com

    this remapping is abit of a mine field but if your up for it i will jump in with you or me and anyone else reading this and see if we can get costs down, i was gonna get the turbo back system too but i dont wanna start upsetting the neighbours coming back in the early hours lol so im just going for the remapp so far

    cheers
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    sticks - id consider the decat too, the miltek ones fit the std exhaust, i think youll get the power benefit without too much extra noise, i understand you get a fair noise improvement taking out the cats but not too loud, might be something worth considering, thats why im going the remap/decat route and nothing else.
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    I'm planning on a map, intake and most likely cat-back milltek (prob with secondary cat bypass lol) but the absolute earliest I'm gonna get mine is September :( so I'm no good for a group buy just yet..:3sadwalk:
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    Who makes intake kits for RS3/TT RS?
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    I've had some good prices on the milly sec decat pipes. Maybe a GB on them??
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    what was your best price? i think i found 168 the pair somewhere online, cant recall where...
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    Yeah prices ranged from 165 to 225...
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    Anyone know if you will need to replace cats for future mot ? Also I've heard alot of stories lately of people being pulled over because of their exhaust apparently because anything after market is illegal?
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    Not quite sure what the legality of after-market exhausts is exactly, but from what I remember it is based on noise (measured in db) and emissions.. almost every vehicle I have had has been fitted with an aftermarket exhaust - and some (like my bike & quad) could be heard from literally miles away! I'm not about to change my thinking until plod forces me to!:busted_cop: for the record, I do generally get resonated exhausts for cars (which are a little more subtle)


    ...Just to add, I've just got off the phone with the DSP, and one of their operatives who specialises in exhausts (noise & emissions) will be calling me back on monday with a definitive answer of how the law stands! Watch this space :)
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    Q81 thanks for info m8 will be good to hear what they come back and say, just don't wanna give the police a reason to pull and harass me lol

    Do you know about cats removed and mot?
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    2ndary removal is fine, clearly doesnt meet new sale regs, but the mot regs are much less stringent, so you're still meeting mot regs easy.
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    what turbo has the RS3 got?
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    Kool, is replacing the cats d.i.y ? Easyish only because I'm thinking I can't do the map myself so to keep the cost down would it be sensible to but the exhaust system parts and fit them yourself if your competent or use a small local garage and just go to a professional for the map because I'm sure your gonna pay quite more getting it all done at a performance shop maybe I'm wrong but I'm open to all ideas to save some money to stick in the tank or upgrade my rs3 with and yes I am a tight ....
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    Not 100%, but I think I read somewhere it's a K16?
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    I just got an email from mrc and it sounds bull****
    this was a response to an email to there rs3 remapp price and figures I'd get,

    It is £650 inc, we get upto 400-415ps and 600-620nm


    Lol
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    As above ,
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    Ok, so I've just got off the phone with a couple of guys specialising in exhaust noise and emissions.
    From what they say, the law regarding exhausts is pretty complex, with a few "grey areas", but basically goes like this:

    When any vehicle is brand new, it has to be "type approved" this means the vehicle noise and emissions are measured and recorded. Each vehicle has a noise reading measured in dba. The maximum a new vehicle is supposed to be is 74dba. But here's the crucial bit - whatever the vehicle reading was as standard, any replacement exhaust cannot exceed that. For example if the car was 62dba when it was type approved, you cannot fit an exhaust that is louder than that (i.e up to 74dba only applies in the first place to the manufacturer)... They're are currently struggling to re-write the legislation when it comes to cars with active exhaust valves (such as the Rs3) but it is very complicated.
    i am now waiting for them to come back to me with the exact figures as to what distance from the vehicle, at what speed, and what engine rpm the tests are conducted at.
    rolling tests are not the whole story, as cars (in particular the tyres) make extra noise when moving that is not necessarily being made by the exhaust system!
    They are also, hopefully, going to be able to tell us what the reading was for the rs3 when it was "type approved"...
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    Great info there.
    look forward to reading the other parameters.
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    ok, so the guy from DSP emailed me this document about noise levels etc.. it's pretty in depth, so here goes.. Apologies if it's too much for the thread, but I don't have a link for it.... only the original document

    VEHICLE NOISEPRIVATE
    What’s been done to reduce noise from vehicles?

    By the early 1990’s the perceived noise level of individual heavy goods vehicles had been reduced by half (10dB(A)) in as many years.
    The noise of the average family saloon had been reduced by 5-6dB(A) which meant that 3 modern saloons made less noise than a similar 1978 model.
    Since 1996 all new vehicles have had to meet even more stringent noise standards before entering service.
    The UK is participating in the United Nations Economic Commission for Europe (UNECE) Working Group on vehicle noise which is examining the scope for further noise reductions.
    Requirements restricting the noise from tyres are being introduced in stages from 2002 in accordance with EU Directive 2001/43/EC.
    To reduce noise generated by “body rattle” from heavy lorries a guide to best practice for operators and others was published in 2000.
    Quieter road surfaces are being introduced.
    A consultation paper “Towards a National Ambient Noise Strategy” for England has been published. Noise from road transport will be an important consideration for any strategy.

    Engine noise

    Measures to reduce traffic noise include setting noise emission standards for new vehicles. Mandatory standards have been in place since 1968, and the introduction of a series of stricter limits at European level meant that by 1996 the maximum noise of individual vehicles had effectively been halved from the previous decade. Implementation of an EU directive in 1996 saw further reductions ranging from 3 dB(A) for passenger cars to 5 dB(A) for intermediate trucks. It is the responsibility of manufacturers to develop appropriate technologies necessary to meet the new standards. Overall, noise emission limits for cars have been tightened from 82 dB(A) in 1978 to the current 74 dB(A), and from 91 dB(A) to 80 dB(A) for large buses and lorries during the same period. Further details are given in the Table below.

    Reductions in noise levels brought by vehicle standards will continue, as new vehicles enter the fleet. This will be particularly beneficial in urban areas where the main source of noise from vehicles is the mechanical operation of the vehicle rather than contact between road surface and tyres. As indicated below, requirements restricting the noise from tyres will be introduced in stages from 2002 and further measures in this area are to be discussed.

    Further progress in reducing mechanical noise at source has been restricted by the nature of the current EU type approval test procedure. A UNECE (United Nations Economic Commission for Europe) working group, in which the UK is participating, is currently examining the scope for establishing a new test procedure that would improve the correlation with vehicle use on the road. This work is expected to take a further 12-24 months. Once this is completed the EU Commission will consider whether it is able to make a new proposal to reduce mechanical noise from vehicles.
    There is also continuing research and development being conducted in both the UK and Europe into quieter road surfaces and noise barriers through the use of porous asphalt and other quiet road surfacing materials. Further details are given below.


    Table of past and present noise limit values
    [TABLE="class: t1"]
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    [TD="class: td1"]PRIVATE Vehicle Category[/TD]
    [TD="class: td2"]Limits in 1978
    dB(A)[/TD]
    [TD="class: td2"]Limits since October 1996
    DB(A)[/TD]
    [TD="class: td2"]Overall reduction 1978 to 1996[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="class: td1"]Passenger Cars[/TD]
    [TD="class: td2"]82[/TD]
    [TD="class: td2"]74[/TD]
    [TD="class: td2"] 8 dB(A)[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="class: td1"]Large Buses & Coaches -
    - engine < 150kW:
    - engine ≥ 150kW:[/TD]
    [TD="class: td2"]89[/TD]
    [TD="class: td2"]78
    80[/TD]
    [TD="class: td2"]11 dB(A)
    9 dB(A)[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="class: td1"]Small Buses & Light goods vehicles -
    - GVW ≤ 2t:
    - 2 < GVW ≤ 3.5t:[/TD]
    [TD="class: td2"]

    84/85[/TD]
    [TD="class: td2"]

    76
    77[/TD]
    [TD="class: td2"]

    8/9 dB(A)
    7/8 dB(A)[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="class: td1"]Heavy Goods -
    - engine < 75kW:
    - 75 ≤ engine < 150kW:
    - engine ≥ 150kW:[/TD]
    [TD="class: td2"]89[/TD]
    [TD="class: td2"]77
    78
    80[/TD]
    [TD="class: td2"]12 dB(A)
    11 dB(A)
    9 dB(A)[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [/TABLE]
    Tyre noise

    Tyre noise is the noise generated by tyres when in motion. Studies have shown that noise generated by the tyre–road sources are a significant environmental nuisance. The contribution of tyre noise to total vehicle noise becomes more significant as vehicle speed increases. To address this problem the EU has agreed a directive (2001/43/EC) which prescribes noise limits to be met by all newly designed tyres to be fitted to new vehicles from 2002. Most types of new tyres will have to meet these standards from 2009. The measure will remove some of the noisiest tyres from the market and will set a benchmark which will prevent new tyre designs from compromising tyre noise quality. The directive also contains a requirement for a tyre grip test procedure to be introduced within a specified timescale to ensure that safety characteristics are maintained when noise requirements are met.

    “Body Rattle”

    Body rattle is the noise generated by metal to metal impact of parts of the body of heavy vehicles and the chassis. It includes noise generated by suspension systems, tipper bodies, lifting or tipping gear and loose tools and chains as well as body panel vibration. In response to concerns about this source of noise – which is not covered by any legal standards – an advisory group was set up to investigate the sources and magnitude of body noise and to develop a guide to the best practice for controlling this type of noise nuisance. The Guide, published in 2000, (ISBN 1 85112 434 9) describes the various design, maintenance or operator awareness issues that need to be considered in order to control these noise sources.

    Road surfaces.

    In 1998 the Government announced that whenever a trunk road in England needs to be resurfaced, the most appropriate noise reducing surface would be used in areas where noise was a particular concern. In addition, quieter road surfaces would be used as a matter of course for all new trunk road contracts. In 2000, the Ten-Year Plan for Transport pledged that over 60% of the trunk road network will be overlaid with quieter surfaces; this would include all sections having concrete surfaces, which are perceived to be particularly noisy.
    The Highways Agency is developing a programme to accelerate the resurfacing of concrete roads. A quieter form of concrete surface (whisper concrete) was developed as an alternative to new lower noise asphalt materials, but the latter have proved to be more cost-effective. Industry has made significant advances in the technology of producing and laying these new quieter surfacing materials.
    A regime (Highway Authorities Product Approval System) has been developed to assess the performance of materials for durability, skidding resistance and other engineering parameters as well as their potential to reduce noise. They are widely used by local highway authorities because of the range of HAPAS rated products now available.
    Where residents are particularly concerned about noise from existing trunk roads and re-surfacing cannot be justified on normal maintenance grounds, alternative measures such as noise barriers are being considered. A ring-fenced budget of £5 million per year is being provided for action in the worst and most pressing cases, determined by criteria based on the predicted level and relative increase in the noise at the roadside. A list of locations meeting the criteria was published in 1999 and the Ten-Year Plan anticipates that action will have been taken at these locations to alleviate the effect of traffic noise by one means or another within the plan period.

    Ambient noise strategy

    Ambient noise (sometimes called environmental noise) is unwanted or harmful noise emitted by road, rail and air transport, and industrial activity. In November 2001 the Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs published a consultation paper “Towards a National Ambient Noise Strategy” for England. For further information on the consultation see HYPERLINK http://www.defra.gov.uk/environment/noise/ www.defra.gov.uk/environment/noise/. The consultation on the National Ambient Noise Strategy covers England only, and responsibility for noise policy in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland is with the relevant devolved administrations. Road transport is a major source of ambient noise in the UK, and will be an important consideration for any strategy. Already the Mayor of London had published a draft ambient noise strategy for London, which contains proposals for dealing with traffic noise specifically in the capital. Details of this can be found at HYPERLINK London.gov.uk - Greater London Authority, Mayor of London, London Assembly London.gov.uk - Greater London Authority, Mayor of London, London Assembly.

    ANNEX

    Noise Units

    For regulatory purposes vehicle noise is measured in terms of sound pressure level in decibels. The decibel scale is a logarithmic, rather than a linear progression. In practice, since the ear also responds in different degrees to sounds at different frequencies, sound pressure level measuring instruments usually apply the so called ‘A’ weighting which best represents the frequency response of the human ear. Noise measurement levels made in this manner are denoted as dB(A).

    A logarithmic unit can be applied to any physical measurement (in the case of noise, sound pressure measured in Pascals) that needs to be expressed conveniently both in very small and very large quantities. It is the ratio of the measured quantity to an arbitrarily fixed level, expressed logarithmically. The decibel scale for sound pressure level uses 20μPa (20 x 10[SUP]-6[/SUP] Pa) as its point of reference since this is nominal sound pressure that can just be detected by the human ear, i.e. 20μPa = 0dB. In actual fact the decibel level is twenty times the logarithm of the ratio of the pressure level to 20μPa. The absolute Sound Pressure Level (SPL) in dB of a sound pressure P (in Pa) can therefore be calculated as follows:

    SPL in dB = 20 x Log[SUB]10[/SUB] (P/20x10[SUP]-6[/SUP])

    A change in noise level from one SPL to another can be expressed in dB as follows;

    Change in SPL in dB = 20 x Log[SUB]10[/SUB] (P[SUB]new[/SUB]/P[SUB]old[/SUB])

    Although a person’s perception of sound is of course subjective, it is generally recognised that a 3 decibel change in sound pressure level on the ‘A’ weighted scale (i.e. 3dB(A)) is the minimum change that may be perceptible to most people (see Table below). A change of 6dB(A) would be clearly noticeable while, as a general rule of thumb, a change of 10dB(A) would be twice as loud (or half as loud for a 10 dB(A) decrease).


    [TABLE="class: t1"]
    [TR]
    [TD="class: td3"][/TD]
    [TD="class: td4"]Approximate Increase in Sound Pressure (Pa)[/TD]
    [TD="class: td4"]Change in Sound Pressure Level
    (dB)
    [/TD]
    [TD="class: td4"]Change in subjective loudness[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="class: td3"][/TD]
    [TD="class: td4"]x 1.4[/TD]
    [TD="class: td4"]3[/TD]
    [TD="class: td4"]Just Perceptible[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="class: td3"][/TD]
    [TD="class: td4"]x 2[/TD]
    [TD="class: td4"]6[/TD]
    [TD="class: td4"]Clearly Noticeable[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="class: td3"][/TD]
    [TD="class: td4"]x 3[/TD]
    [TD="class: td4"]10[/TD]
    [TD="class: td4"]Twice as Loud[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="class: td3"][/TD]
    [TD="class: td4"]x 10[/TD]
    [TD="class: td4"]20[/TD]
    [TD="class: td4"]Much Louder[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [/TABLE]

    Sometimes noise levels are expressed in different ways e.g. in terms of sound power. This is also measured on a logarithmic scale, but in terms of sound power in Watts (W) relative to a level of 1 x 10[SUP]-12[/SUP] W. The Sound Power Level in dB of a power L[SUB]w[/SUB] (in W) is calculated as follows;

    Sound Power Level in dB = 10 x Log[SUB]10[/SUB] (L[SUB]w[/SUB] /1 x 10[SUP]-12[/SUP])

    Change in Sound Power dB = 10 x Log[SUB]10[/SUB] (L[SUB]w[/SUB][SUB]new[/SUB]/L[SUB]w[/SUB][SUB]old[/SUB])

    This measurement is useful in attempting to estimate the number of new vehicles it would take to produce the same level of noise as an old vehicle. For instance it is generally held that it would take 7 modern cars to produce the noise of one 1970’s car. This statement is based on an 8dB noise reduction (the reduction in maximum permitted decibel limits for passenger cars during this time), equating to a reduction to approximately one seventh of the original sound power.

    Warning: Although Sound Pressure Level and Sound Power Level are both measured on a decibel scale from 0dB (threshold of audibility) to 120dB (upper limit of non-painful sound) and beyond, the measurements are not strictly analogous. For example a change in Sound Pressure Level of 40dB does not necessarily correspond to a change in Sound Power Level of 40dB. However, if all other variables (e.g. distance from noise source) remain unchanged, it is possible to calculate proportional change in Sound Power Level from a change in dB Sound Pressure Level.

    See Annex for description of noise unit measurement.

    Worked Example


    The car noise limit reduced from 82dB(A) in the 1970s to 74dB(A) in the 1990s.

    Change in noise level (old to new) = -8 dB(A)
    Ratio of new to current sound power = Log[SUB]10[/SUB][SUP]-1[/SUP] (-8/10)
    = 0.158

    The new car produces 15.8% of the sound power of the old car, or in other words, it would take approximately 6.3 modern cars to produce the noise of a 1970’s car.
    To the human ear the 8dB(A) change in noise level represents a noticeable decrease in loudness but not as much as a halving of the loudness (which would require a change of about 10dB(A)).



    They're still coming back to me tomorrow with the exact up-to-date type approved dba rating for the RS3 and also the distances, speeds rpm etc!
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