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    [Aug 15, 2012]
    Please see below some posts of mine on another site that show my interest, then the process of getting the car Terracleaned, what it involves and the results.
    I hope you might might find it useful


    30/07/2012

    Anyone considered Terra Clean?

    http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct...iRXu3p6HGqJ81w

    As seen on Wheeler Dealers
    Wheeler Dealers Terraclean.flv - YouTube
    Terraclean Fuel and Post Combustion Decarbonizer - YouTube


    This process is available for both petrol and diesel engines and something I'm considering doing to my Audi A6. She's now sitting at 95k miles and is running fairly sweetly to be honest.

    I have recently replaced the fuel filter and also removed the EGR valve and decarbonised that, I stopped short of removing the intake manifold though so I'm sure I could still see some benefit from this.
    I know of a few friends from my Jaguar forum who have had this done and say great things about it. One in particular is taking his wifes car, his brothers and his Father in laws back to be done.
    At a cost of around £70 it definitely sounds worthwhile to me and won't break the bank.

    Unfortunately demand is so great right now with still only a few dealers set up that it may not happen tomorrow.
    Anyone any thoughts on this?


    31/07/2012
    Have you had a look at the website?
    Have you seen the system in use with before and after emmissions results? They are there!
    http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct...jtm6cJY7Av2NxQ

    The link below...........go into the Video section and look at the scientifics behind it
    http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct...3ZWYU7IHvGfhwg

    The link below is to a post / testimonial done by one of the guys on one of my Jag forums.
    He loves his car, takes very good care of it and does a lot of DIY himself as well as many upgrades.
    He is one that will also call a spade a spade and say if something is right or not......his testimonial forms part of his post I guess
    Terraclean as seen on Wheeler Dealers...my results!


    Personally, I don't think I have a problem with my emmissions, I'm interested to see what it does for my mpg.
    If I can get another 3-4mpg or even a little less, it will pay for itself and save money going forward.

    BTW - I should add I'm not involved with them for commercial gain in any way shape or form....lol



    01/08/2012
    I visited Scott at warpspeedperformance, based in Kilbirnie and had the treatment done today at around 1pm, took a little over an hour and a half, the actual process is around an hour, but obviously we were discussing the process and then of course set up time.

    The diesel version is different from the petrol version, ( Ie - they are totally different machines )
    The diesel version has an inbuilt tank with a 50/50 mix of the treatment and diesel fue
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    Once everything was all connected up through my fuel pump and the feed to the tank was shut off, the process began. The car ran for 20 mins while the mixture ran through the system doing its thing, then a 20 minute "soaking" process during which time the mix was allowed to soak through the fuel system. Then it was another 20 minute session as per the first.
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    The revs were picked up to around 4k revs towards the end and there was certainly traces of black smoke ( not as much as I expected though )
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    I spoke to Scott about it and he explained that its still relatively new here, but has been in Canada for around 15 years. The Canadian government has been involved at some point and a lot of it is down to the drive for a cleaner environment. Subaru also use this process in Canada seemingly and recommend its done on a yearly basis to help keep down emmissions.

    What have I achieved?

    Scientifically speaking? We will never know I guess and no doubt it'll go back n forth for some time to come.

    I do know that since I've cleaned my EGR I'm a lot happier and I'm sure its helped some.
    I've also switched to running a couple of tanks of Shell V power through here and she did seems a little livelier for sure and mpg "seems" to have improved so far.

    The Terraclean today, I'm confident it has helped clean through the system and will reduce emmissions ( Its certianly not going to make them worse )
    On the way home after a few runs, during which it did expell some black smoke, which I never experience, it cleaned up back to normal.
    Seat of the pants driving to me, says it "feels" a little livelier again and more responsive / eager through the gears, but it is only a feeling

    As the car sat idling then at 4k revs for some time. obviously mpg went right down. On the way back home through town, some motorway driving and being gentle she quite quickly started to rise on the mpg display.
    Personally, I think that mpg may improve from before the treatment, but cannot say for definite at this time and will be monitoring where it goes over the coming days and weeks.
    I'm £65 lighter and still happier that I feel as I may have achieved something positive out of this..............I'll report back as and when [​IMG]




    08/08/2012
    Ok, so no totally definitive results as yet for those that need it in blood, but, here's where I am so far......

    History first -
    Sometime ago I did serious mileage and 95% of that all motorway, with a little stop start and around town thrown in.
    At that point my average was around 46mpg and fairly steady. The best I ever achieved was 52.1 mpg according to the DIS and that was when I was really trying hard.
    On one particular trip I was so careful, cruising at 70 mph on motorway with some 50 mph in roadworks thrown in and this on a long journey. I managed to get in the region of 690 miles out of one tank and when I refuelled the DIS said 915 miles to empty assuming the same conditons I guess.

    When I refuelled generally I could expect to see around 600 miles distance and probably achieved around 550 - 600 including what was left in the tank when I filled up.

    Well over the years things change and my average has dropped dramatically.

    Driving style -
    My driving style in recent years has been fairly steady I guess you would say. Mostly I'm just getting around and usually do around 70 mph -80 mph on motorways, with good gear changes in plenty of time. I'm careful to never really labour the engine or put her under too much stress, but once in a while my heavy right foot makes an appearance and I have a blast or two here n there and some serious mph.
    Its at these times I really use the whole range of revs and give her some stick I guess you'd say, but these days its occasional.

    Recently -
    Using the above driving style , but my travels have changed quite a lot. Nowadays most of my driving is all stop start and around town, usually at reasonable speeds with a little motorway thrown in.
    If I had to put a figure on it I'd hazard a guess at around 85% town and 15% motorway.
    My average according to DIS is now 36.6 mpg and I get around the 500 miles to a tank, maybe a little more including whats left when I refuel if I'm lucky.


    As you know, I had the Terraclean diesel treatment done recently on my car and I'm keen to see what, if any difference it has made. To be fair its not just about this as I also recently had a new fuel filter installed and also removed and cleaned my EGR valve.
    On top of this I've changed to using Sheel V power diesel as well.

    Well, I had to fill up tonight and clocked the miles driven at 575.8 miles with 5 miles left in the tank
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    Having reset the trip I was showing 47.7 mpg although this clicked over just before I took the picture to 47.0 mpg
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    So 575.8 miles with 5 left in the tank plus ( the general consensus of opinions seems to be around ) 7 litres in reserve.
    checking my receipt it showed I refilled with 71.28 litres, based on the fact I have an 80 litre tank that leaves around 8.72 litres left so thats about right I guess.

    So 575.8 miles + 5 left in the tank + 1.92 gallons @ 47 mpg = 671.04 miles approx had I run her dry.

    When I refuelled the DIS said 820 miles to go till empty
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    Ok, so I may not achieve that but time will tell I guess.
    Coincidentally, 820 miles divided by 17 gallons = 48.2 mpg so perhaps the DIS isn't so far out as some think?

    Ok so based on the fact that I've recently had a fuel filter changed and removed / cleaned my EGR valve and based on the fact I've recently switched to using Shell V power diesel, its not exactly scientific and not necessarily just down to the Terraclean treatment.

    Maybe its helped maybe it hasn't?
    For the nay sayers and those that want to demand cold hard facts before they move a muscle, all I can say is, I'm just stating where I am and what I've found, no more, no less.

    The car, as it happens is running sweet as a nut, smoother than its been, not that I've had any issues, simply smoother. There is a "seat of the pants" feel that its slightly more responsive, slightly quicker, but thats all it is, a feeling.
    I'm going to try and keep an eye on my mpg over the coming weeks and months and report back.
    I may set up a fuelly account and use that as well.

    Thanks for reading



    13/08/2012
    UPDATE>>>>>

    Ok, so having filled my tank with Shell V power and running it through after the Terraclean treatment, I believe I'm starting to see fairly significant mpg improvements ( albeit its early days )
    I will return here and to the fuel consumption thread Fuel Consumption and cheap fuel and post updates as and when I've completed a full tank and also further fill ups moving forward, for those that may be interested.


    As previously stated the absolute best mpg I ever actually attained was approx 695 miles
    This was ALL motorway and I was hypermiling to try and achieve the best results possible.

    This current tankful of fuel, has been a mix of approx 60% city driving with 40% dual carriageway / motorway thrown in.
    Although I'm trying to see what is the best mpg I can get, my boot is crammed full of workgear including files / boxes / jackets / hard hats & boots etc as it always has been.
    I'm driving carefully and to the limits, no harsh revving, perhaps one slight burst of speed for a little while[​IMG]

    The first results are shown below.
    The fuel gauge although it cannot be seen has not moved from full at this point.

    Distance travelled 76.6 miles
    DTE ( Distance to Empty ) 655 miles
    Instant MPG - 44.7mpg
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    Further through the tank of fuel ( still no pic of the fuel gauge - sorry, but at around halfway between full and 3/4 )

    Distance travelled 130.6 miles
    DTE ( Distance to Empty ) 645 miles
    Instant MPG - 48.6mpg

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    Having eventually learned, the fuel gauge can be clearly seen in these pics and this is where I'm at to date.
    The fuel shows clearly that its well above the halfway mark. Usually I can predict around 240 miles - perhaps 280 at halfway position!

    Distance travelled 335.9 miles
    DTE ( Distance to Empty ) 455 miles
    Instant MPG - 51.2mpg
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    Incidentally, the lifetime mpg counter has been at 36.6 mpg for as long as I can remember, and has since started to climb, currently at 37.1mpg.
    From experience ( unless reset ) this will be a very slow n steady climb if there's a continuing upwards trend.....we'll see.

    If, and I know it is If I can achieve anywhere near the targeted 790 miles range + whatever is left in the tank it will be the best results achieved over 5 years of ownership AND through a mix of motorway and city driving, not just motorway miles( I'll try and be as accurate as I can with the mix when I post of course )


    In the meantime, I've started a fuelly account to try and cross refer my findings
    I'll post again when I have more info.



    14/08/2012
    UPDATETODAY 14.08.2012 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    History first
    I used to get decent mileage but then I travelled mostly motorway miles. The best I ever achieved was one day when I had a particularly long run ( approx. 700 miles to cover in one day ) This was with me 6’3” 17 stone + a workmate at 6’7” 19 stone,work gear and a boot crammed full of work related items.
    I managed 695 miles covered with 40 approx left in the tank + reserve fuel meant I could have got about 850 miles at the 52.2mpg rate had I run her dry.

    Incidentally when I refuelled the DIS told me to expect a 915 mile range if I travelled in the same manner going forward.
    915divided by 52.2mpg = 17.6 gallons so it all seems to work out fine!
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    Recently
    My mpg is shot to bits, I travel a mix of city and motorway now, probably 60/40 or thereabouts, maybe even a little more city stop start than that even. The car doesn’t always get up to temp and the instant mpg usually hovers around the mid 30’s range, high 30’s to low 40’s if I’m lucky on motorway jaunts.
    The average for the lifetime of the car was recently showing36.6mpg.
    Based on the fact I usually get around 500 – 550 to a tank + whatever isleft in reserve it kinda works out about right.
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    Past week or so
    As you may know I recently cleaned my EGR valve, switched to Shell V power and had a Terraclean treatment done on the car. I’ve been monitoring my mpg etc ever since and recently started a fuelly account to help with this. My first fuel up showed 36.7 mpg which is scarily close to the average showing on the DIS in my car.

    My second fill up I looked even closer and decided to see what I could get out of her and if the steps I took had any effect. I topped her off with Shell V power and reset the instant trip, but left the lifetime trip meter as is at 36.6mpg

    Over the course of the full tank I probably did a mix of 75% motorway and 25% stop start town driving. I was careful, not exactly hypermiling as the boot was still crammed full, the AC was on and the drivers window open slightly as I am a smoker.
    I managed to get 750.2 miles on a full tank and this left zero miles in the DIS so I was essentially on reserves at that point. [TABLE="class: ncode_imageresizer_warning"]

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    I refuelled almost exactly the same as the last fill up at £104.01 for 70.80litres of Shell V power diesel. On the basis that my instant mpg had seen 52.2mpg but settled at 51.2mpg and the the fill up showed me that 9.2 litres (2.03 gallons ) remained in reserve, meant if I had run her dry I was looking at an 854 mile range….not bad!
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    This turnaround in a week or so is impressive, at least for me

    From past experience the car’s computer slowly builds mpg when driven sensibly and economically but reduces it drastically when the lead foot appears. 5 years of ownership has taught me once its way down at the kind of levels I mentioned earlier it takes a long time, lots of regular motorway miles and very economic driving to get the upward trend back on track

    The only part I don’t understand is the DIS after refuelling showed a DTE of 715 miles?
    I was sure this was based on the level of fill x the instant mpg which would have meant approx. 910 mile range NOT the 715 miles as indicated.
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    Anyhow in the matter of less than a week my mpg isup from 36.6mpg to 42.4 according to my fuelly account,[​IMG][​IMG] even though my instant trip on the DIS shows 51.2 and the average for the lifetime of the car is now at 37.1mpg

    This shows a huge improvement for me as far as I'm concerned and I further believe that if I can continue the trend and drive enconomically I can achieve even better results.


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    [Aug 16, 2012]
    Fantastic write up! Very interesting...
    This is something I'll definitely look into! Don't think I can see a local service centre though :(
    Your probably already doing this but always worth while to get accurate figures and that's to use the same petrol station and pump (when possible) :)
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    Hey Aly, where do I know you from?
    I'm sure we spoken before, perhaps on this or another site?

    Thanks for the positie comments on the system.....I'm still evaluating it, but between cleaning my EGR, switching to Shell V power ( always the same garage ) and the Terraclean treatment. I'm seeing improved mpg for sure.

    The guy that did it for me is in Kilbirnie, but there was another in Edinburgh iirc too, and perhaps more.

    Contacting Randstadt at their offices will get you the closest agent to you, if you're interested.

    Thanks for the kind comments Aly

    Best

    Jim
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    [Aug 17, 2012]
    Well I'm from Edinburgh! ;) stay in Stirling now..
    Was on Bavarian Board as I had an E46 before?! Ring a bell? Also on a lot of other bm forums...
    Definitely going to look into this... So would you recommend cleaning my egr out? Mines has done 45k...
    Cheers Jim!
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    [Aug 17, 2012]
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    Hey Aly, no perhaps I was thinking of someone else!

    I'm just along the road in Cumbernauld and I bought my car from Lomond Audi is Stirling. I tend to use them for parts and a bit of servicing here n there too.....they really look after me, great bunch of guys.

    To be honest its not that diffiuclt a job and perhaps takes 2 hours or thereabouts. I did mine at 95k miles after seeing a picture of one that had covered 73k miles or so ( link in my thread somewhere )
    The one at 73k miles was gunked up big time so I was expecting mine to be awful.......In truth it wasn't too bad
    Yes there was some sludge and yes some hard carbon deposits but not terrible........As I had it off I cleaned it anyway as it made sense.

    Whether you go for Terraclean or not, perhaps open a fuelly account if you don't have one? You can befirend me there if you like.
    This is a dead reckoning way to keep a check on your mpg and fuel costings.

    Don't know what fuel you use, but if you haven't tried Vpower Diesel perhaps you could try a tank or two against what you're using now to see what kind of results you get?

    Thanks Aly
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    [Aug 17, 2012]
    Cheers Jim... Well I just moved from Hamilton.. I use v power on every 4th fill up! And stay away from supermarket fuel.. Only had her since beginning of the year! My first Derv... lol
    Good to hear about Stirling Audi.. I've still to use them! Next time your in the area give me a shout... :)
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    [Aug 17, 2012]
    Oh and I'm getting terrible mpg at the moment... Mainly town driving and I see 26 mpg! Shocking...
    But on a commute I see around 40 +
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    Hmmm....I was a Tesco junkie ( mad for the points you see ) I'm thinking I've lwearned my lesson and its V power only for me from now on.
    Your first deisel huh? Lovin it??
    I've been driving them for 20 years as an area sales manager, covered a little over 1M miles in those years averaging 50k - 60k per year, A Peugeot 309 GLD, Peugeot 405GLD then 3 Ford Mondeos 1.8td then the 2.0Tdci versions, then a Vauxhall Vectra 2.2dti, 2 more Ford Mondeos 2.0Tdci's, A Saab 93 1.9Tid Vector Sport then the A6
    In between and for my wife I had a Ford Escort 1.6, A Vauxhall Astra 1.7d, Jaguar X type 2.5V6, Ford Mondeo ST Tdci and lastly a VW Passat 1.9 Tdi Highline.

    Have you had yours remapped or considered it at all?

    Been a few changes at Stirling Audi personnel but generally they really are great guys. They've recently been taken over by the Lookers group so we'l see what changes may be made.

    Anytime you wann catch up, you can shoot me a pm and I'll give you some contact details

    Best

    jim
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    [Aug 17, 2012]
    Most definitely will...
    Considering a re-map! But needs must atm (we just had a baby in March) main reason for buying the A6..
    Loving it tbh... Different to what I'm used to though... From a Mitsubishi 3000Gt to a w210 Merc!
    Just getting it all cleaned up just now... Weather permitting! I love my detailing... So if you ever wanna get yours done give me a shout... ;)
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    Nicee one on the detailing Aly!

    Had mine done a little while ago, she looks ok
    http://www.audi-sport.net/vb/detailing/166083-a6-detailed.html

    I wouldn't say I'm a mad detailer or have all the equipment, but I love to look after her and keep her the best she can be

    Detailers are my heroes!
    Some fo the stuff these guys do is beyond awesome
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    I've got so many products its unreal... Only use the best! :cool:

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    Sorry for the thread hijack :eek:
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    Lovely n shiny!
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    [Sep 29, 2012]
    Hi Jim, you popping to the meet next week?
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    Hi Aly, thanks for the post.

    I'm sorry I haven't been keeping up with things here so much and have missed the details of the meet........Where n when is it?

    If I can obviously I'd love to come
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    Well I see you found the meet!? Hope to see you there... :cool:
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    Spotted you in Stirling today Jim! Car looks sweet :cool:
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    [Nov 29, 2012]
    Hey Aly, how are you mate?
    You're right, I was in Stirling today too.......lol

    I was in at the old Ian Grieves place getting some parts for my sons Vauxhall Astra then onto Fergusons Motor factors in the ind estate.

    Thanks for the compliments on the car, but she was a mess mate......having said that she looked like this again by around 3pm so all good

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    Can't believe I missed you??
    Why in gods name didn't you wave, blow your horn, shout or sumthin??

    Etiher that or I was in a world of my own as I was in a rush.........maybe catch up next time mate?

    Catching up with one of the guys off the VWAF tomorrow for a bacon buttie n a chat.

    ll the best

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    Lol... I seen you just by the Volvo garage then you turned left into the industrial estate! Was heading to B&Q with the wife otherwise I would have stalked you...
    Mines was a lot worse than yours! Tried to wash it but water kept freezing on the car so had to give up that idea! Pmsl...
    Maybe next time! :)
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    I had my Jag Motorvac Carbonclened back in 2008, effectively it's a top end fuel system cleaner (e.g. rail & injectors)

    After I had that done I sent my injectors away for cleaning & calibration and (whilst they were clean) they were on average down 12% on optimal output. So after both it ran absolutely brilliantly.

    May consider it on my remapped 233 3.0 Quattro...but then it's actually done 900 miles on a single tank anyway!
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    [Feb 24, 2014]
    Hi all,
    just went to add a post into the "Terraclean" thread but its closed for some strange reason??


    Terraclean anyone??

    Anyhow - Just checked with Scott at Warpspeed and he's quoted as follows.....

    To Terraclean the Jag 2.7Tdvi is £108 so its booked in for Saturday in the am, and I'm looking forward to seeing what improvements that'll make

    Just as a by the by, I may be looking to try and organise another meet in the late spring / early summer part of which will be a visit to see Scott and perhaps a chance at a group buy for any that are interested in the treatment with a view to saving money. This may also be a cross referred post which would mean Audi's and Jags if no one has an issue with that?

    Just for reference the Audi is still going strong now sitting at around 112k after the treatment with no ill effects

    Thanks

    Jim
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    Jim

    If they have MOT facilities get them to do an emissions test before and after (also ask if they'll test after 1000 miles), that way you can see the emissions improvements in real terms (which some feel don't exist).

    As you know there those that require empirical evidence, and your garage should be happy to do so.

    M
    PS: I think the charges are dependant on what the area can afford, Somerset has some of the lowest labour rates around (as low as £30ph) which is why my terraclean cost just £80 (IIRC) for my 3.0 quattro last year.
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