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Discussion in 'A3/S3/Sportback (8P Chassis)' started by ferepe, Jan 13, 2008.

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    guys,

    I'd just read the phantom's s3 thread.. which triggers one question:

    what anti-theft system do you use? standard audi? immobiliser+alarm? did you find it sufficient?

    personally, I use a hidden fuel pump switch + one relatively unknown mechanical system (designed by yugoslavian ex-car theft). with this thing, there are just two ways to have your car stolen:

    a) thefts load your car on a SPECIAL truck (which needs alot space and a special truck). they cannot just tow your car away or,

    b) they remove the complete system from the car (which takes about 2 hours to the system's fully trained mechanic at standard working conditions - enough light&space + front doors full open + car keys)

    the system is that powerful that my insurance company provides me a 15% discount on insurance due to that system fitted into my car.(all proved with certificates)

    I saw somewhere a theft strealing Audi (with original factory fitted alarm/immobiliser + retrofitted OEM gear lever lock) in less than 2 minutes! with the system I have, nobody didn't even atempt to steal it. (maybe I was just lucky so far:)) but anyway I live in very "theft attractive environment" where all VAG cars are in top 10 on the list.

    well, it has a negative thing as well. if the thefts doesn't know that system and attempt to steal it.... poor car then!! I saw the police pics of steal attempted car - dashboard completely damaged, steering wheel shaft completely damaged (they used liquid Nitrogen), electronic box damaged.. bloodly hell money to get the things fixed, but the car remained on its place! so it's considerable. rather have your car stolen and get the insurance repaid or have the car protected but possibly have the car badly damaged.

    yup, at the end - the complete install was about 200GBP.

    any opinions?
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    Personally I rely on the standard fit Audi system. My car is also kept in a garage at night. I think I would rather any thieves actually took my car away that trashed it. At least my insurance would replace the car up to 12 months old and after that I have gap insurance to make up any difference between the insurance payout and the original purchase price,
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    The potential downside to them being unable to get it going if they are trying to steal it from your property, is that they will be be coming into the house for the keys!

    I'd much rather they took my car to be honest, I can replace the car but not the family.
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    I don't know about anybody else but this kind of post disturbs me! It seems to me to be a bad attempt at spam or, rather more worryingly, an attempt to gather information.

    Its the users first and only post which, in a round-about way, is asking you to reveal the security of your car. The post uses very broken English and the poster also makes reference to a "relatively unknown" anti-theft product (itself 'designed' by a car thief). If the device is so great then why is it relatively unknown and why does the poster make no reference to how he know's about the product?.

    The post neither gives away any real specific details about his 'miracle' anti-theft device yet lulls you into a false sense of security (no pun intended) that this is a genuine topic of debate. If the device is so great then why no mention of the device name, its general method, the manufacturer, country of origin, nothing!

    The post also gives reference to VAG cars being in some "Top 10 list" of most stolen cars... well, its no surprise if their drivers reply to posts like this!!!

    Its also worth noting that the poster gives absolutely no additional information about himself in his profile and gives no additional ways to contact him other than the email address which is required to sign up with (and no doubt that points to either a free email service or an address that doesn't exist).



    Perhaps I'm just getting cynical as I get older. I'm sorry if this is a genuine post but it just rang too many alarm bells for me.
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    I reckon Shades has a point. I know of no way to nick an Audi in <2 minutes unless you have the key or a suitable truck.
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    I'm not very well known at this forum either but I agree with Shades - You might as well put a poster in your car window describing your cars security system.
    What happens the day after when your car is gone and the insurance comapny picks up this very discusion.... I think you can kiss your car and it's value goodbye.
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    Thinking about it I agree completely. Perhaps the moderators would like to 'lock' this thread against further input or delete it all together.
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    shades!

    reading your post for the first time made me think you are a little bit paranoic, but when I check mine and your posts once again then I have to admit that your post makes sense..

    just to explain some things:

    1) english - you have to admit that there are ppl in the world (and as well on this forum) which are not native english speakers! I count myself into this group of ppl. as a non native speaker I doubt you can ever have 100% english punctuation. that's simple explanation to your "using very broken english".. just try speak e.g. german with native german speaker and he reckons you are british. but you understood the post, so you got the point even without 100% english, right?

    2) "its the users first and only post" - yup, sure, if you check the sign in date, than it makes sense, no?. (dec - jan).

    3) to the profile - internet is anonymous. what a difference if I leave the boxes blank, if I type the truth, or if I type "David Beckham, Downtown London, UK"? I decided to leave boxes blank. Or is it better to provide full address and then post the pics of the car? or even leave it open so the thefts don't bother me then about the keys?

    4) the system itself - if you ever heard anything about the security than you have to know, the best security system is that which nobody knows. I don't know the UK, but here some insurance companies refuse to insure your house if it's fitted with commercially offered common system. for a simple reason, as anybody can buy that system, get into it, and brake into your house quite easily!

    to name that system? no problem, try to google ZEDERLOCK (with excellent english hopefully)

    you didn't ever hear about that? no wonder, it's being sold within app. 5 countries only (for now).

    5) getting into any audi in 2 mins? you would be surprised. I saw it on internet (1 year ago, when I get my audi) that's when I decided to fit that locking mechanism. if I find the link, I post it.

    hopefully I clarified it enough.
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    Re point 5 - getting into any Audi without laminated glass in <2 minutes isn't a problem, but driving a late model car away as well is.
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    absolutely agree with you.

    but I didn't tell they get into the car, started the engine and drove away! the whole spot was about, that they got into the car (without the key), overriden the audi OEM immobiliser (older models) and gear lever lock (any model) and drove away; or with newer models got into the car, pushed the clutch pedal, broke the steering wheel's mechanical lock and just towed it away to a place they could whether dissmount the car, or get into the electronics. they towed the car doing 70mph!

    so you are right, they cannot get easily into new model electronics but with that system they cannot tow it away either (unless you leave the wheels aligned so they still can pull it on the truck), because the system dissables the steering itself.

    I didn't know you can have 100% insurance at UK, that's great. here there's nobody to provide such a product (a lot of insurance frauds)
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    I think some of the sophisticated immobilser defeating software that some of the more 'intelligent' thieves have, (i.e. stealing cars to order for export) this wouldnt present a problem. OK maybe not do-able in 2 minutes but I doubt it'd take a proffesional much longer.
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    Issac, I would respectfully disagree with your argument. TWOCers will steal the 90's Escorts, Golfs and Astras because they're a doddle. Professional thieves will target your keys for recent cars. Their favourite method is to fish for them through your letter box, or, if you're wise to that one will simply steam you in the comfort of your own home. The coarser element will stick a gun or knife through your open car window at the lights and ask you wish you prefer - your car or your life.
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    So nice to hear someone is using there garage for the car not for storing the old sofa,several old bikes etc. Either your commited to your car or you have and electric garage door
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    [Jan 14, 2008]
    In my case it's both. I also noticed a trend on some planning applications, particularly for smaller houses, where they provide a parking space rather than a garage. This is more likely to do with costs but at least it means the car is parked where it should be and taking up one space rather than a garage full of junk and a parked car, thus taking up the space for two cars.
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