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Another hybrid conversion thread....

Welly Sep 14, 2010

  1. jojo

    jojo Looking for Boost! Staff Member Moderator Team Daytona Audi S3 quattro Audi A6 Audi Avant Owner Group

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    Silly question maybe Bill, but would my AmD stage1 mapped APY benefit from this, or is this something I should consider if I plan to go Hybrid turbo at a later date?
     
  2. Welly

    Welly VX220 SC Driver :)

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    :lmfao:
     
  3. Welly

    Welly VX220 SC Driver :)

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    Just a quick one....

    The dyno says 331.7 bhp.

    Liquid gauge says:

    [​IMG]

    I'd say that's pretty damn close....
     
  4. RobbieRolex

    RobbieRolex Member

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    Wow, That is pretty dam close, i must get me one of these gauges, i wasn't aware they could tell BHP
     
  5. Welly

    Welly VX220 SC Driver :)

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    Yeah, it works it out based on air flow through the MAF. Basically, it uses the /0.8 rule on live data.
     
  6. RobbieRolex

    RobbieRolex Member

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    I use my PDA and vagcheck for logging, its not as nice as the Liquid guage but it does the trick, its a pity we can't work out the torque from block 120 once we are remapped. ;-(
     
  7. Welly

    Welly VX220 SC Driver :)

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    Liquid does torque as well, you can pick what the calculation is based on. You have a choice of it working it out from air flow, or from block 120.
     
  8. RobbieRolex

    RobbieRolex Member

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    If liquid gauge can do it so can vagcom, this is something i miss logging, i guess if i knew which calculation to base it off it would help, LOL

    Have you ordered your WMI to get to 350bhp yet?
     
  9. badger5

    badger5 www.badger5.co.uk Site Sponsor

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    I would expect gains on remapped k04 car yes.. I cant say what tho not having done the test (yet)
     
  10. Dane

    Dane Had an 8L S3, a B5 RS4 now I have a B8 S4

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    Bill did you want S3 Dave and I to add our names to the list on the Seat Cupra thread?
     
  11. badger5

    badger5 www.badger5.co.uk Site Sponsor

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    yes please.
     
  12. Dane

    Dane Had an 8L S3, a B5 RS4 now I have a B8 S4

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    Will do, Dave would you like me to add your name at the same time I do mine?
     
  13. s3dave

    s3dave TFSI Hybrid Supporter

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    please dane im not registered.....
     
  14. Dane

    Dane Had an 8L S3, a B5 RS4 now I have a B8 S4

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  15. ems3

    ems3 New Member

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    Hi Bill

    Please note my interest for 1st production batch.

    Many thanks
    Emerson
     
  16. Welly

    Welly VX220 SC Driver :)

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    OK, so we're getting to the point where it's looking to be all done. With the exception of WMI which, at the moment, I simply can't afford....lol.

    Anyway, a few words on this TIP that's been fitted, and my experience thereof.

    Fitment. It fits well, and to be fair, has moved the air filter further away from the engine than it was before which can only be a good thing... :thumbsup:

    Performance. The outputs speak for themselves, and to be fair, it's even better out on the road.

    Code:
    Tuesday	2	November	2010	20:13:16											
    8L0 906 018 N		1.8L R4/5VT     G   0002													
    															
    	Group A:	2				Group B:	11				Group C:	20			
    		RPM	Load	Inj. On Time	Mass Flow		RPM	Temperature	Temperature	Ign. Timing		Idle Stabilization	Idle Stabilization	Idle Stabilization	Idle Stabilization
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    Marker	STAMP	 /min	%	 ms	 g/s	STAMP	 /min	°C	°C	 °BTDC	STAMP	 CF	 CF	 CF	 CF
    	151.9	4040	177.4	10.66	153.31	152.31	5320	83	26	15	151.5	0	0	0	0
    	153.11	7480	187.2	15.17	264.14	153.51	7040	84	21	35.3	152.71	0	0	0	0.8
    	154.41	6040	191.7	17.63	254.06	154.81	6560	83	21	17.3	153.93	0	0	0	2.3
    	155.61	7400	188	15.17	265.83	156.01	7480	82	21	6	155.21	0	0	0	2.3
    	156.81	5520	191.7	18.45	245.67	157.21	5800	81	23	16.5	156.41	0	0.8	0	2.3
    	158.01	6280	191.7	18.04	258.81	158.41	6480	81	24	18.8	157.61	3	0.8	0	1.5
    	159.21	6840	191.7	16.81	264.14	159.7	7040	81	127.05	7040	158.81	3	0.8	0	0
    	169.8	4480	3	0	2.97	170.19	4400	81	29	9.8	170.59	0	0	0	0
    															
    															
    	211.18	2880	180.5	13.12	105.22	211.58	2960	83	26	12.8	212.08	0	0	0	3
    	212.48	3200	191.7	15.58	129.64	212.88	3320	83	24	12.8	213.37	0	3	3	5.3
    	213.87	3560	191.7	16.81	157.25	214.28	3720	83	24	14.3	214.78	3	2.3	2.3	5.3
    	215.28	4000	191.7	17.22	186.67	215.79	4120	84	24	15.8	216.17	2.3	2.3	2.3	4.5
    	216.58	4400	191.7	17.63	193.06	216.99	4480	84	24	15	217.39	2.3	1.5	2.3	3.8
    	217.77	4720	191.7	17.63	207.72	218.17	4840	84	25	13.5	218.57	2.3	1.5	1.5	3.8
    	218.97	5040	191.7	18.04	227.33	219.37	5120	85	27	14.3	219.77	2.3	1.5	1.5	3
    	220.17	5320	191.7	18.04	239.14	220.57	5240	85	27	2.3	220.97	0	0	0	0
    	221.37	4360	1.5	0	0	221.87	4320	85	25	9.8	222.28	0	0	0	0
    	222.76	4200	5.3	0	4.42	223.18	4120	85	27	9.8	223.66	0	0	0	0
    
    
    The TIP has actually allowed more boost to be run for less timing pull. Under load, the timing is and always has been fine, but under normal driving conditions, such as motorway, the CFs were creeping up into the 6s so I knocked the timing back .75 degrees to drop that down.

    Economy under normal day to day driving has gone up due to the slower spool time of the turbo. It's not permanently trying to boost it's little arse off. Again, this is deffo a good thing.

    IATs are down on average. Under road use, I would normally see around 10 degrees above ambient temp. That has dropped to about 5-6 degrees on average.

    As can be seen from the log files above, I am getting consistently 264/265 g/s air flow out on the road, I can't believe the difference in the driveability since TIP fitting. (mostly the torque).

    All in all, a great bit of kit IMO, so thanks for letting me be a guinea pig Bill.... :) :thumbsup:

    I'm a bit sad to see this project draw to a close :(
     
  17. s3dave

    s3dave TFSI Hybrid Supporter

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    Looks really good, you can always revive it when you have the dosh for WMI......
     
  18. finesse

    finesse Active Member

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    ok I thought you'd be keeping or getting this TIP, hence my PM
     
  19. Welly

    Welly VX220 SC Driver :)

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    Read it, forgot totally about it, and now have replied.... Sorry for the delay dude... D'oh.
     
  20. finesse

    finesse Active Member

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    thanks Welly!
     
  21. badger5

    badger5 www.badger5.co.uk Site Sponsor

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    ok.. I am not an advertiser on here, and dont want to take the michael.. there is a thread on SCN which is collating names for the 3inch TIP.
    Current status is I am making a version 2, and waiting on the 1st batch of the turbo reducers from the CNC shop.. ~ 1 week away or so hopefully.
    then I can check out version 2, and press the GO button on the fab'd portion.
    regards
    bill
     
  22. superkarl

    superkarl MAN OF STEEL It's my birthday

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    but now you get to enjoy it and relax!
     
  23. Welly

    Welly VX220 SC Driver :)

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    I am far too hyperactive to ever be able to relax.

    Adding to my hyperactivity, I also work in IT so drink coffee all day long.

    Come the end of the day I am wired on coffee and nicotine lol.

    I have to do something to stop me bouncing off the walls.
     
  24. badger5

    badger5 www.badger5.co.uk Site Sponsor

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    aye, you come and visit me and fix my puters :)
    top banana
     
  25. superkarl

    superkarl MAN OF STEEL It's my birthday

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    go out and drive like a maniac then!
     
  26. Welly

    Welly VX220 SC Driver :)

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    I do that anyway..... :D

    Like you stole it....
     
  27. superkarl

    superkarl MAN OF STEEL It's my birthday

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    good lad!
     
  28. badger5

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    3inch tip version 2 preview
    [​IMG]
     
  29. Welly

    Welly VX220 SC Driver :)

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    That looks good Bill - stub for the DV is longer.... :)
     
  30. Speedy Steve

    Speedy Steve Active Member

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    Cool ill take it haha
     
  31. Welly

    Welly VX220 SC Driver :)

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    Grrrrrr.

    Everything has been fine since installation, pottering about well enough and have now done several thousand miles in the motor....

    And the exhaust manifold has now started blowing.... Bugger.

    Not sure what is is, or from where as haven't has the opportunity to have a good look yet.... I'm just hoping the damn thing hasn't cracked already... :(

    Hoping it's my fugly gasket. If it is, I shall be replacing it with an OEM one for a bit.

    Bloody car :(
     
  32. IbanezDan51

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    Not good mate! Let me know as soon as you know as I was going to order one of these in a couple of weeks when they have them back in stock!

    As you were running 96% duty cycle do you think we could get away with yet bigger injectors? Or would the next step be to upgrade the fuel system to 4 bar?

    Cheers,
    Dan
     
  33. Welly

    Welly VX220 SC Driver :)

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    Probably move up to 4 bar, BUT it would require an extra inline pump really, the OEM pump isn't man enough to run 4 bar long term.

    I'm hoping it's nothing too bad - it may even be the downpipe yet, but I'm not so sure....
     
  34. finesse

    finesse Active Member

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    headache! hope its a minor issue,

    S3 = labour of love
     
  35. Welly

    Welly VX220 SC Driver :)

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    S3 = Son of a bitch! lol
     
  36. badger5

    badger5 www.badger5.co.uk Site Sponsor

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    you were getting bored not having touched it for a couple of weeks welly.. It knew you know..
    cars eh!

    never catch on
     
  37. Broken Byzan

    Broken Byzan Photographic Moderator Staff Member Moderator VCDS Map User quattro Audi A4

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    To quote a good friend of mine

    WORD !
     
  38. badger5

    badger5 www.badger5.co.uk Site Sponsor

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    3 inch TIP turbo adaptors will be completed and with me tonight.
    Just need to confirm fitment onto a std airbox car which handily Danes S3 is here for that, and I can get the welded section confirmed and sent for manufacturing in first batch
     
  39. Welly

    Welly VX220 SC Driver :)

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    Thats good timing!! lol. Handy....
     
  40. Dane

    Dane Had an 8L S3, a B5 RS4 now I have a B8 S4

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    :eyebrows:

    ps is the manifold cracked?
     

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