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Another hole in the sump - Shallow sump option or engine risers?

Wingnut Express Jan 28, 2013

  1. Wingnut Express

    Wingnut Express Audi sponsored by Mastercard

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    Hi Guys

    Like most of us with lowered cars we occasionally scraped the bottom of our sumps on speed humps, but on this occasion a rock hidden in some snow in North wales was the culprit. So my questions is should I go for the shallow sump that is for sale at Awesome GTI or 10mm engine risers?

    Living in the London area means that speed humps are pretty much unavoidable and I have been a speed hump victim a few times so I am careful around them. I only drive about 5k a year and change my oil around 5/6k regardless of time

    As always your advice is gratefully received

    Ps: Are you able to connect the oil sensor to the shallow sumps?


    Thanks Ian
     
  2. Ste_Nova

    Ste_Nova Active Member

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    sump guard
     
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  3. Wingnut Express

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    Sometimes necessary especially when enjoying the roads of North Wales, but have you got one?
     
  4. Prawn

    Prawn My other car is a MINI!!!!

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    The shallow sumps I've seen don't have the oil level sensor :(
     
  5. limbo118118

    limbo118118 LORD

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    I know how you feel pal! :( i think the shallow sump is a perfect fit which everthink connects to!? I looked at engine raises but pretty sure i found on a s3 people avoid them with the clearance issues with the prop an downpipe :s iv been trying to find a sump guard or some sort but havnt found any yet :s would like to know if anyone else knows where to get one! :)
     
  6. Danny Cawsey

    Danny Cawsey Cawsey

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  7. <tuffty/>

    <tuffty/> Badger 5 Edition...Its all about the flow... Staff Member Moderator Audi S3

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    Shallow sumps have less oil carrying capacity (an issue IMO) and no oil sensor provision...

    Essentially you can try using the engine mount risers, raise the car up or be mindfull of the road... sadly the sumps on the 20v are fairly low and making them lower will always ruun the risk of damage...

    Another alternative would be to buy a baffled sump that has the thick plates welded to the bottom to act as a form of protection or at least get some plates welded on..

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  9. olethalb

    olethalb Active Member

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    ENGINE SPACERS
    seems i did a how to on engine spacers a while ago on here on my S3 but is exact same deal as a mk4 / bora
    i only recommend fitting 15mm as any more puts stress on dogbone / exhaust / hoses etc etc
    and NEVER fit a dogbone spacer - if you catch that then it's bye bye gearbox
    the spacers 15mm - obviously only 2 needed per car
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    the bay
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    cover removed
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    filter off to reveal the mount
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    one bolt can be seen in the above pic others are here
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    before you undo these, jack the car up and put a second jack or axle stand under the gearbox to support the weight. when the bolts are removed, raise the car or lower the engineto give you access to slide the mount out
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    these are the parts all removed
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    now you can slide the spacer into position
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    and the post spacer
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    you can now slot the mount back into position. i hadn't got longer bolts as i wanted to use genuine vag items, so i raided my bolt box and found the most suitable length bolts to use (these will be replaced with new items now i know what ones i need)
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    now the mount can be bolted back in place - best to bolt to the body first then raise the box into position and then bolt the mount to the box.
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    onto the drivers side - again jack the car up and support the weight of the engine
    cover off
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    header tank out
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    carbon canister out
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    then pull the p/s tank res out of the way and undo the brace (lost a few pics here)
    i didn't have to remove the mount completely, just loosen the bolts and raise the engine the slide the spacer in
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    i used the same longer vag bolts as used on the gearbox mount and bolted it down, then added the post spacer
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    refitted the brace and p/s res
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    refitted the carbon canister, header tank and both covers
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    pic from before the spacers
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    and after
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    i'm happy with the results!
    tools used were;
    10mm, 13mm, 16mm, 18mm sockets 5mm allen key flat head and phillips screwdriver
    1/2 ratchet and long extension bar, 3/4 ratchet and mid extension bar
    cutters, pliers and a lever bar
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  10. Wingnut Express

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    Thanks for the advice guys, serious food for thought! Could new engine mounts aid the situation as Ive never changed them in the 5 plus years I've owned it.
     
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    <tuffty/> Badger 5 Edition...Its all about the flow... Staff Member Moderator Audi S3

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    Won't lift them up much if at all... worn mounts normally wobble horizontally not vertically

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  12. Broken Byzan

    Broken Byzan Photographic Moderator Staff Member Moderator VCDS Map User quattro Audi A4

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    Easiest solution weould be to put non broken suspension on it.
     
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  14. The Doctor

    The Doctor Well-Known Member

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    @olethalb - how far have you lowered your car from standard?
     
  15. olethalb

    olethalb Active Member

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    i couldn't say how much in mm but.....

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    <tuffty/> Badger 5 Edition...Its all about the flow... Staff Member Moderator Audi S3

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    ^^^ there's yah problem :)

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  17. olethalb

    olethalb Active Member

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    lowered the front a little more after that pic, never touched the sump after the engine spacers and i drove it very very hard. only an S3 after all ;)

    it is up for sale elsewhere now though for £20k
     
  18. Wingnut Express

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    Can you remember where you got the spacers from as I have only found 40mm ones, and that is a step too far as I think it will cause issues with the downpipe & Prop
    Thanks again
    Ian
     
  19. The Doctor

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    Well, yeah, I can see why it might have scraped just a tad there. Did you forget to install the springs or what?
     
  20. olethalb

    olethalb Active Member

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    i used to make the spacers and sell them on ebay but was only making £3 profit per set as i sold them with brand new longer genuine bolts.

    creations motorsport sell them on ebay, i belive they copied my design but cannot prove it. anyway.......

    VW GOLF MK4 AUDI A3 1.9 TDI SEAT LEON SKODA OCTAVIA TDI ENGINE SPACERS ASZ ARL | eBay

    no i was running koni coils on that i think, was a fun car - shame it was yellow though.
     
  21. Paul_TDi

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    There is also an OEM steel sump guard- here

    I know quite a few diesel people had them fitted not sure about petrol though.
     
  22. Wingnut Express

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    Hi Paul

    Thanks for this, but do you know of any UK sellers other than the Main Stealers?
     
  23. Prawn

    Prawn My other car is a MINI!!!!

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    Creation tend to do that a lot Olly, shame really. Robbing *******s.

    I liked the yellow car too, will always remember you almost totally beaching it coming into the multi story in Guildford.

    It's a bit different now since Alex has owned it though!
     
  24. Paul_TDi

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    No unfortunately I don't, I think some companies in the states have made there own version "panzer" plate comes to mind?

    EDIT

    Have a nosey here, list of parts you need to fit one, assuming it's all the same from golf to a3.
     
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  25. Golfedd

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    Haha it was a fast car faisal_16's face was priceless (p.s. thank F for haldex haha)

    I ran these spacers too, in my MK4 and TT. Worth every penny. didn't have to mess about with stupid oil starving shallow sumps with no level sensor + never touched the bottom of my sump again. simple to install too... Here's the TT and MK4

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    I drove (by mistake) the mk4 air'd out across a car park, dragged the subframe but not even a mark on the sump
     
  26. IanPG

    IanPG Well-Known Member Team Nogaro Blue Silver Supporter Audi S3

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    digging up an old thread...

    If going to move to a top mount setup - would using these engine spacers render the top mount turbo fitment too tight??? maybe the pipes won't clear the strubrace?

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  27. snowy

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    Can do

    Depends on how the specific top mount positions the specific turbo you're thinking of

    My old top mount mani meant my GT2860RS cleared the strut brace by about 4mm
    A GT3076 with its larger housing didn't fit - and that was without raiser

    To update some of the info in this thread

    The short sumps hold exactly the same quantity of oil as the normal sumps (no increased risk of oil starvation, less if anything)

    The short sumps can be DIY retrofitted with oil sensors

    Once you've got a short sump fitted you access the sump via removing new steel base plate rather than having flywheel bolt in the way

    Easier/cheaper to baffle too

    Only a dry sump conversion gives better clearance underneath
     
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  28. IanPG

    IanPG Well-Known Member Team Nogaro Blue Silver Supporter Audi S3

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    so short sump? what you mean by that? :)
     
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