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AH Fab / Ebay / Forge S3/A3 FMIC installs (image heavy)

Discussion in 'A3/S3 Forum (8L Chassis)' started by <tuffty/>, Jul 10, 2009.

  1. knoxie
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    knoxie K4OXE

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    thanks everyone i went back and got the cooler in the end and matched up some bolts, i did get some funny looks though.

    right be gentle please as im still trying to get my head around 'vvrrrooommmttssshhhh' (turbo) engines

    am i right in saying the two red boxes are where the cooler needs to get to??

    [​IMG]

    if so will my pipes replace these? im using the pipes 'Westy' used, and it does'nt seem like i have enough pipes....
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    Yes mate spot on
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    Your pipes won't replace the top two in the box's or a plastic one that runs down the front of the battery but all will become very clear once you go to do it and have the bumper off ;)
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    also whats this?

    [​IMG]

    sorry for all these stupid questions
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    No probs mate

    That's the nozzle for WMi (water methanol injection) ;)
  6. knoxie
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    thank you :) im just making sure i have it all right in my head before i get half way through and have no car
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    I doubt you have water meth so I wouldnt worry about it.

    You may need a map sensor flange from forge if you havent already got one.I needed one for my golf but im not sure on the s3 setup
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    Na won't need one on the s3 unless changing the route the pipes take like me and a few others have done but for yours and how most have done the "wellycooler" you'll utilise the oem map sensor tube in front of the battery ;)
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    i notice the OEM MAP sensor tube has an 'dent' in it surely this is very restrictive?
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    Can't imagine it helps but theres no documented proven gains that I know of, although common sense would say that a normal pipe is better than the oem shaped one

    Iirc welly is still running the oem map tube and pushing out well over 400bhp ;)
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    But the forge and ah fab coolers have 51mm tubing and this has 57mm
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    [Aug 19, 2012]
    ...the AH v1 has 51mm... v2 is 63mm... while you have a point you asked if this was a suitable alternative to a welly cooler... in context it isn't IMO... compared to the Forge and AH v1 then arguably it is but... seeing as the original reason for 51mm was to aid easy fitment in an OEM style and now there are solutions to use bigger I can't really see why anyone would go smaller now..

    The cooler in the link 'should' be ok but you need context... it should be ok for stage 1 and stage 2 but not for stage 2+, hybrids or BT imo...

    Try it... but tbh I am past the compromise stage of flow these days... having seen how much small pipework can hurt power and seeing as there are suitable solutions for FMICs on S3's these days I am struggling to suggest going smaller than 60mm... 51mm was in the days there was nothing else out there

    If you could get 60/63mm bends welded on its no less deep than the AH v2 but doesn't look like it has the rows or surface area..

    <tuffty/>
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    Just read through 18 pages and can't find the answer,


    What pipe work are people using on AGU's or left handed manifolds to feed the dv and n75. Can't see any reference to those that have done this on an AGU as to the pipe work for the dv or where they've run it froM, on Prawns it looks it a forge cold side dc relocation kit. I'll probably weld on some pipes but just interested as to others
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    my N75 take off is a 1/8th NPT 6mm brass hose tail Dan, screwed into the pipework and sealed with chemical metal.

    I used to run a cold side relocation on the DV, but Niki didn't like it and had the DV take off welded onto the hot side pipework near the turbo outlet
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    DV welded to hotside... Perfect.... thanks Nick
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    ants 8L boost is what u need

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    50mm outlets are a bit too small, just go with the 'wellycooler' option, for less £ and better intercooler
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    I just want to ask, as the above post isn't quite clear (to me anyway). If I order the V2 from AH Fab, I get everything to fit it onto the car for around £350, so pipes, joiners, clamps and fitting braces etc, is this correct?

    I only ask as there's quite a lot of reading in this here topic.
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    You only get the intercooler mate but you can get all the bits you need from eBay for £60, I have all the pipe work and clamps and that's how much it cost me just need to get my cooler but that will be later on :)
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    No... the v2 FMIC is around £350 (typically +vat) from what I understand... the pipes are extra and will cost around £100/£130 (depending on what you buy and where you get it from) more on top... not sure what you mean by fitting braces but the V2 comes with brackets... you also need to cut the bumper bar for clearance...

    Overall works out cheaper than a Forge FMIC while supporting more horsepower than the Forge..

    <tuffty/>
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    If you order from AH Fabs, make sure you speak to Lars and request the V2. Otherwise you will get the V1.
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    All good words, thanks guys!
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    And make sure he knows the engine is in the front.....:whistle2:
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    make sure AH fit the damned brackets on the right way round!!!!!
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    vrbob Thats no Moon, Thats a space station!

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    I think my FMIC may of arrived this morning :)

    Am going down a slightly different route as i have gone far a slightly smaller cooler with a delta fin design still using 63mm outlets and pipework as shown in posts above.

    Future is gonna give me a hand fitting as he has already mocked up his FMIC install so hopefully will get a few pics when we do it.
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    vrbob Thats no Moon, Thats a space station!

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    this is the cooler i have opted for High Performance Racing Sport 2.5" 450x230x65mm Front Mount Intercooler deltafin | eBay the one i am getting is an Apexi one as its basically the same but they were out of stock of the gReddy`s

    I am not gonna go BT on this car so stage 2 is probably it for me so that cooler should be ample for my needs and a reasonable upgrade to the SMIC`s.

    Got the pipework as per the design in this thread to keep the foglights from mrsilicone off ebay and so far am looking at a sub £200 FMIC install :)
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    Westy Double Dark Side! Diesel & 8P

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    I hope you have more success with a smaller core then me. Mine was a fair bit smaller but run along side one of the original side mounts and it just wasn't up to the job of stage 1 let alone stage 2 but I wanted to see if my idea would work. It's good to see people willing to try different things, so hats off to you Bob.

    You can read about my FMIC fitting here:

    http://www.audi-sport.net/vb/a3-s3-forum-8l-chassis/119353-w3stys-progress-thread-5.html#post1285719
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    vrbob Thats no Moon, Thats a space station!

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    Cheers Westy,

    yeah willing to have ago and see what happens as hopefully the deltafin design of this cooler will aid it and allow me to run smaller dimensions and still provide adequate IAT`s.

    I had a brief run through this thread yesterday looking a t the evolution of the FMIC`s since Tuffty`s first stab at it with the tiny little cooler and small outlets. So i think i have found a viable package for my needs and also budget lol.

    Obvioulsy only time will tell (and of course some logging) :)

    Will check out your thread now bud cheers

    *Edit* Out of interest what size was that cooler you ran with one SMIC?
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    Westy Double Dark Side! Diesel & 8P

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    I was trying to find the dimensions for you but couldn't. It'll be in my thread somewhere but it's a bit of a maze in there ;) All I can find is the in/out were 57mm.
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    vrbob Thats no Moon, Thats a space station!

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    vrbob Thats no Moon, Thats a space station!

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    Westy Double Dark Side! Diesel & 8P

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    So yours is not as wide but it's taller and 2mm thicker? Might still be too small mate but you wont know without trying.
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    vrbob Thats no Moon, Thats a space station!

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    Yup fingers crossed its gonna be ok i think it will but am not very clever with this sort of stuff.
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    vrbob Thats no Moon, Thats a space station!

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    quick pic of my cooler that arrived

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    still a good size for your needs as you say.
    good luck
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    vrbob Thats no Moon, Thats a space station!

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    Cheers Karl yeah for what i want i think it should be all good plus easier to fit as its on the smaller side and keeping my fogs OEM looking.

    Hopefully the delta fin design aids the design a bit allowing better coolinmg on a smaller core.
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    ants 8L boost is what u need

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    209870_10151066030812879_385040291_o.jpg 310431_10151066032502879_820921569_n.jpg 419263_10151066031822879_548384819_n.jpg

    just some pics of my wellycooler install real thanks to this thread

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