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Discussion in 'A3/S3 Forum (8L Chassis)' started by Shermana3, Apr 26, 2012.

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    [Apr 26, 2012]
    I have a 1999 a3 with the agu engine and it has induction kit silicone filter to turbo pipe ko3s turbo full turbo back system with decat and it's been remapped I bought it the other day and it came with a dyno sheet saying its 190bhp but it's only producing 6psi boost from around 4000 upwards and I know that's standard psi does anyone think my 190hp can be achieved with 6psi boost?
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    thats stock boost. and the 180hp a3's (ko3s) make 180 as standard, so id imagine it could be possible.

    get it mapped properly by someone reputable and you can see 235hp, quite easily
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    Lovely mate and my local remap places dyno is currently out of orde so when that's about I'll get it done
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    Oi, this is an A3 thread. Get out S3 boy!

    180bhp A3's were quattro only, and were not all ko3S either. Early ones were 180bhp from a ko3, later ones from a ko3S, changed around the same time as the FWD went from ko3-ko3S.

    FWD's were 150bhp only, ko3 on early ko3S on late.

    Your AGU is originally a ko3 engine as I'm sure you know. 6psi is around stock boost on ko3 and ko3S, and is where the actuator is set also, so it sounds like you're running on actuator pressure at the moment. This will not be 190bhp, or even close I'm afraid. 150-160 more likely.

    Either the car is in limp mode causing it to revert back to actuator pressure, or there is a fault in the N75 system somewhere, either the valve is faulty, or something isn't plugged in properly.

    It could also be, that it's not been mapped at all. Do you have any proof of the remap? if he's got a print out at 190bhp it sounds like it was mapped at some point, so I'd be looking for N75 issues first.
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    Mwahahaha, having had an A3, and running an AGU engine now, I'm allowed here.... :)

    Prawn is spot on with this, may be mapped, but 6 PSI is actuator pressure so something there isn't right.

    Have seen this caused by someone fitting the N75 valve backwards giving constant actuator pressure...
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    You're allowed, SuperK isn't :laugh:
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    :friends:
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    im only trying to help
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    That's what Hitler said, and look where it got him.....
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    :lmfao:
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    [Apr 28, 2012]
    is it possible to adjust the actuator pressure on the adjusting bar on the k03s turbo or are they just set at 6psi????
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    Not advisable ...

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    Yeah it has a dyno sheet print out saying 189.9 bhp before fitting a decat and the n75 thing is that the recerc valve because this has a different one on not sure what it is.
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    if he's changed the N75 and it's lost all boost, it's almost certainly plumbed in wrong giving you actuator pressure the whole time.

    Where abouts are you mate? if you're local to someone on here perhaps they could look over it for you? Or perhaps post a pic of your engine bay and we'll see if there's anything obvious :)
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    I'm near yeovil in Somerset and I just went on eBay and searched for a n75 and I have seen this on mine I think and it looks standard how can I tell if it's broken or how can I fix it
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    [Apr 29, 2012]
    Ahhh I just swapped the pipes around on it now I get 12psi but it's not massively consistent like second gear it will drop back down to six psi at like 5000 rpm but over all it's a lot a lot quicker.
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    Sounds like limp mode... suggests something is still not right... boost goes in the bottom of the N75, the longer outlet goes into the TIP and the short one opposite the longer one goes to the actuator...

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    it won't look any different mate, but it's got 3 ports, and depending on how you plumb it in you can have no boost, correct boost, or unlimited boost!

    3 very different outcomes just from changing 3 pipes over
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    Ok I'm worried now because before I had 6 psi now I get 12 but inconsistent not massively though so what do people suggest I do?
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    ^^^
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    [Apr 30, 2012]
    Ok looks like that didn't work
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    [Apr 30, 2012]
    I cant manage to post photos from my phone could someone post a photo of a correctly plumbed in one please so I can check against mine I have just turned it back around so I only produce 6psi until I can figure out what it is and I don't want to pop anything
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    [Apr 30, 2012]
    Get yourself a free photobucket (or similar) account and post pics to that (can be done from a phone app)... you then add the links to the pics into the post..

    ...and have a read of this too
    http://www.audi-sport.net/vb/a3-s3-forum-8l-chassis/127617-notice-how-post-pictures-forum.html

    Be better if we can see your actual engine bay tbh..

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    Through the magic of paint (and my awesome skillz... :)) this is how it should work....

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    [Apr 30, 2012]
    From that picture the guy who put mine in was a total helmet
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    [Apr 30, 2012]
    The pipe on the front is to actuator and the back goes to charge pipe
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    Thats hella wrong dude...

    the one going into the tip is where boost should go... from that it looks like boost is going into the actuator outlet and going straight into the tip... the one for the tip (longer one) looks like its going to the actuator...

    Refit as per Welly's diag...

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    [Apr 30, 2012]
    Fitted as per diagram and much more consistent but it drops off to 6psi in 3 gear at about 4000rpm
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    what does it peak at?
    be good if you could do some VCDS logs so people can have a look.

    boost naturally tales off on these cars with their standard turbos, however im not sure just how much
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    [May 1, 2012]
    Peaks at like 12-13 then at 4500rpm it drops instantly to 6 psi and if I change up it takes a few seconds to revert to 12 psi from 6
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    Depending on Age / mileage it should be peaking at somewhere around 14-16psi on an AGU (sometimes a little more) although they will almost always drop right off at the redline. The tiny turbo just can't hold boost well at all.

    I'd now turn your attention to looking for leaks. You will almost certainly have a boost leak under the inlet manifold on the PCV system. If you've got access to VAG com try and do a few logs to see what it's doing airflow wise.

    often you can spot a boost leak when you're seeing high MAF readings suggesting good power, but poor performance, showing that it's drawing the air in, but losing it somewhere!
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    Hmm just seems weird that it drops to a consistent level it doesn't fall away it drops to 6 psi instantly
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    [May 3, 2012]
    Ok driving back from work today tried to keep it on boost and if I Change up before 5000 I can keep 14 psi boost in 4th not sure how long as I ran out of road
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