h5djr, dont get me wrong re the comment about the driving experience. A real driver just has to enjoy driving. All I was trying to point out was that some people just prefer a higher level of involvement. That means more work and in most driving instances its not practical to always demand the highest levels of involvement of course. A DSG can be a great drivers car too. Do you think the better MPG returns are down more to the drivers though? As in, its easier in a way to get better MPG in a DSG because it does a lot more work for you and is easier to drive smoothly with? Because really a manual should technically be more efficient due to the lower weight, and less losses through the transmission and a driver who can drive carefully should be taking advantage of this fact. I cant see how DSG can be more efficient by any other means than being 'easier' to drive efficiently.