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A3 vs S3 A power to weight thingy (cant think of a title thats best I can do lol)

Discussion in 'A3/S3 Forum (8L Chassis)' started by cjsuk, Jun 29, 2013.

  1. cjsuk

    cjsuk Active Member

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    Today I cleaned the car, discs went rusty colour (as they do).....so I just went out to shine the discs a bit, gets round the corner pullig out on to the main road (A63) and a rather nice looking silver 02 plate S3 8L with black roof and wheels passes, oooh I thought.

    He wasn't supporting the ASN gang tattoo on his car BTW lol.

    We ended up doing what you do, right foot down. I thought he would dust me, I thought wrong! I was attached to him! granted I couldn't get past but I was there just a wing away.

    We ended up at some lights in town and he said "what u running" I proceeded to tell him the usual 1.8t K03s AUM s2kfilter std exhaust (till moday) and a map last time I checked was 203bhp (using maf values).........he was smiling till I told him that figure.

    I asked what about you and he basically had everything inc miltek bla bla bla (very nice car tbh)......then the figure 330bhp to which I said calmly but smugly "wow really? I did quite well didn't I then?"

    Then the lights changed and I quickly told him to visit ASN.

    So if I have 203bhp and he had 330bhp how the fk did keep with him? Is this where the power to weight kicks in? or has my engine got a secret stash of nos? or is it he's not giving me a real figure? is he a pants driver? I dunno. I did notice he had a dodgy bottom end rattle when he set off, but that's it.

    Answers below please (smug face) lol
     
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  3. Essflee

    Essflee Well-Known Member

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    If he had a genuine 330bhp he'd of left you no problems.

    My A3 which was 192bhp could keep with a standard 210bhp S3, there was nothing in it...

    With the figures you've quoted, weight wouldn't matter
     
  4. Jason.s

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    Oh god...
     
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  5. cjsuk

    cjsuk Active Member

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    I've been called some things, but really, u don't have to call me god...lol
     
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  6. cjsuk

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    That's what the lad said bull s*** then I guess
     
  7. Paradox1

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    no way he was running 330.....maybe a stage 1 but there's no way you would have kept up.

    it would be like you racing a standard a3
     
  8. Jason.s

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    no no I'm just waiting for this to get out of hand as always
     
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  9. smurfworth

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    I'm sure Jardo will be along soon enough to tell you straight. I'd say he's bull****ting or it was running like a bag of nails. No way you'd stick to a 300bhp turbo'd car, if it was NA you might stand a bit of a chance
     
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    He doesn't have 330bhp.

    Simples.

    Removing the gearing from the equation the A3 could have *roughly* 50bhp less than the S3 and not get lost. Which tells me that he just had a stage 1 and was full of bs/thought it was the fastest car in the world ever.
     
  11. cecilthesausage

    cecilthesausage ...It's Never Finished...

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  12. Dani_B19

    Dani_B19 Audi-sports own special child.

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    Doesnt gazz and s3dave have silver s3's with black roof's? Just saying lol.
     
  13. Westy

    Westy Double Dark Side! Diesel & 8P

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    He probably has an MTM kit which comes with a claim of 330bhp but we all know that they rarely run this, or if they do it doesn't last long.
     
  14. Westy

    Westy Double Dark Side! Diesel & 8P

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    Both are currently off the road though.
     
  15. Vex182

    Vex182 Guess what I drive...

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    I was just thinking about your car Westy, what are you like vs a A3 with 200bhp?
     
  16. Westy

    Westy Double Dark Side! Diesel & 8P

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    I can't comment about an A3 but I've gone up against a 200bhp Ibiza that's been completely stripped out and caged. We went to Bedford Autodrome last year and I could only real him in and pasd him above 100mph as I got into 5th gear!

    So I think it is possible for a much lighter, less powered car to keep up but remember mine is only 300bhp and the Ibiza was completely stripped.
     
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    MrsB Lupo - 300bhp - 970kg
    My ibiza - 620bhp - 1000kg

    all thats lacking is traction, lol

    and thats where quattro comes in, from standing start or wet conditions, otherwise once rolling, power to weight prevails
     
  18. s3dave

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    Not mine mate, mine is sorn waiting for another engine rebuild, Gaz hasnt got a black roof
     
  19. cjsuk

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    No not dave, this guy never heard of ASN, how rude! He does now tho lol be good to find him to explain.


    Dave, engine rebuild? how come?
     
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    LOL that he will now read this.

    I had a guy in an Accord type r tell me his car was 440bhp turbo'd and the fastest thing in the world ever. So I let him pull out first and tucked in behind him.

    He flashed his hazards one, two, three then put his foot down. I saw the car pull and heard it kick into vtec so I knew he was trying.

    I had passed him before he even turned his hazards off.

    About a week later I saw it for sale on Hondas Of Devon Facebook page. It was up for £1200, so I just asked "This is the one I saw briefly at the lights the other day? 440bhp turbo jobbie; where's the turbo gone?"

    Matey deleted it then listed it on eBay a few days later.

    Poor lad :(

    Why do people lie about what they have?
     
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  21. Westy

    Westy Double Dark Side! Diesel & 8P

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    I honestly think these people either buy a car 2nd hand and believe the power figure the previous owner tells them or they have been to some wild west rolling road!
     
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    if someone asks the power of my car, I give them the dyno figures but I would also add, "but every dyno is different and 281bhp is the most my car runs at that time in those conditions so who really knows?" I had a little play with a silver A3 with yellow tints on his headlamps, sounded pretty quick so I assumed it would be stage 2. Anyway I was on actuator pressure (albeit 1 bar) and was up his trumpet. That was pretty fast though, I did lift off a little in 3rd so I wouldn't hit him but never the less I was pretty impressed! the 1.8t engine is really good. Puts other newer engines to shame!
     
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  24. jojo

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    I always tell strangers I have 210bhp, this way, if I get blown away, no one posts up they just slayed a 300+ bhp S3! Lol
     
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    If the other person has that same thinking then you won't actually know what you've had a little blast with :/

    I always tell the truth about what I'm running tbh
     
  26. Westy

    Westy Double Dark Side! Diesel & 8P

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    Good idea. I need to amend my signature to read 225bhp :whistle2:
     
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    ONE MORE POST WESTY!!!!!
     
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    you can imagine folks coming across our 1.0 looking lupo then :)
     
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    Wouldn't waste my petrol against a sh!tty Lupo Bill! :moa:
     
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    Wouldn't waste my petrol against a sh!tty Lupo Bill! :moa:
     
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    Dream on :p

    Would'nt "dare" more likely... get your arse handed to you.... Remembering its as fast if not a little faster tha tufftys GT30 S3 currently... and its 'only' on a k03... LOL

    Beaten by a K03.. and a Lupo.. the disgrace of it :p
     
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    Just hope the lupo doesn't get hit by a cross wind lol
     
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    Got an idea on what it would top end at out of interest?
     
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    superkarl MAN OF STEEL

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    Not from a standing start it isn't!
     
  35. s3dave

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    Get them down the sprint!!...:)
     
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    haha- every FWD/RWD owner loves a good old 30-70 sprint but when it's traffic light GP the majority bottle it.

    Btw love your sig! lol
     
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    its what i tell people at the traffic lights lol
     
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    kwistof South East Events Moderator
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    I think you should take it to the next level and amend a dyno sheet you have to show those figures ;-) lol
     
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    you will be surprised...
    Lupo 0-60 dash is 5sec, and thereafter does'nt hang about either :)
    severe traction limited, but has gear based boost so not completely uncontrolled.. chirps in gears 1-3 then ful monty 4/5
     
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    with its aero... probably 130-140mph.. On its old K03s when first built it was ~200bhp and flat out at bruntingthorpe was 130mph..
    100 bhp more now but I doubt it will make hige difference to top speed. Its shaped like a rounded house brick lol
     
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    must be pretty terrifying at 130 in a lupo too!
     
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    long time ago since I did the PVW Magazine shoot out in it.. It was vs a MK1 K04 225 motor, which it beat in every speed category :)
    I dont remember it being scarey.. 130mph not that fast.. its aero sux tho.. lol, like a brick wall it hit back then..
     

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