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A3 (EIGHT PEE!) or Mini Cooper S.... which is quicker??

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    Any 2.0 TFSI owners come up against a Mini Cooper S??? How did you get on??

    Interested in hearing from any of you TDI 170 guys too.

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  2. Cyrix

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    Mini Cooper S would win, for sure.
     
  3. S3RYE

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    Still in your max power mood then haha! Likin the title too!
     
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    sure this thread was open somewhere else............

    as an ex owner of an R56 turbo'd Mini, you'll struggle. Upon picking it up the misus wasn't far off the bumper of my mapped S3 8L, which can match a standard 8P S3 (proven)....also bear in mind the Mini Turbo's have virtually no lag which makes them even nippier (if thats a word :) )

    However i have ruined quite a few R53 supercharged coopers in my S3, never lost, even to a GTT tuned version with gods knows how many mods. Al ot of R53 owners always go on about the figures being the same etc but the difference is amazing, top end the R56 model is gone when compared....nevermind the JCW version...as said in the previous thread, i beat a 3.2 TT in that Mini

    so compare yours against a 3.2, if you will lose, dont race the Mini :)
     
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    :lmfao: Changed your mind so soon!

    :happy: Apparently it's the lengths I have to go to to stop the thread getting moved to some dark corner of the site.
     
  6. jungleman

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    well my ex has got a turbo mini cooper S and off the line it will beat my S3 for the first few yards as the turbo spools faster and it doesnt bog down off the line but once the car is rolling the S3 soon pulls it in, the same for the have the cars rolling at 30 in second gear, the mini will have the edge for the first couple yards but soon gets pulled in and left by the S3
     
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    Doesn't sound promising for me then.

    This is what jumps out at me when I see them. They seems to accelerate VERY quickly from standstill or when at very low speeds. Looks kinda wrong how quick they move all of a sudden.
     
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    hmmm, interesting this, i only ever played from say 20-30 off a roundabout and wasn't able to pull much of a lead after 3-4 car lengths....yet i have raced 8P S3's in standard form and matched all the way. Never tried off the line TBH
     
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    There's only one way to find out....

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    :laugh::sly:
     
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    A standard S3 would embarrass a standard cooper S!!!

    I'd also put my money on a 2.0T being quicker than a cooper S...IMO they aren't that quick unless its a works/GP etc
     
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    off the line they are very quick, but the traction control in them has to work overtime! there is lots of torque steer as well, but if your in an put and out thrash, the suspension is way to firm and really skittish, on A & B roads it couldnt even get close to my S3 was a good laugh tho, do miss driving that car
     
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    it really does, once they are moving the Cooper S cant keep up, cant break as hard or go through the corners any where near as fast, S3 i mean, cant sat for the standard 2.0T as not driven one
     
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    S3 and 2.0TFsi Q will pee all over **** BMW/Peugeot engined Mini Cooper S. Tdi Q will give it a run for it's money in real world driving too I reckon.
     
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    This was my thinking. Although what do i know.... I'm yet to see an S3 booting it.
    Side note - do all you S3 drivers drive slowly. See loads, not once seen one shifting.

    I've got the feeling it's only a matter of time before I'm thrust into a situation where this is put to the test.
    Cooper S's are everywhere at the moment, and the drivers appear to have more of an "attitude" than BMW drivers.
     
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    haha have to come for a drive with me, there is very little driving slow
    if your in south london and see a black S3 shifting that will be me
     
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    And a 2.0TFSI.... FWD... DSG???

    Sticking it in 'S', and planting my foot from standstill I feel like I can beat almost anything anything that isn't DSG. :happy:

    But these little Mini's scare me. I was geniunely shocked at how quick they speed up. As I said in my other thread.... they look almost unnatural.
    Even my girlfriend who notices nothing when it comes to cars said "wow, that car looks fast. Your's is well slow!"
     
  18. Stiggles

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    Let's not forget its all about the driver, some people have quicker reaction times than others and some are just all in all better drivers, willing to take more risks etc etc

    for example I had a 1.9 SDI VW Polo and off the line I would have just about anything for about 5 yards lmao, probably because of its weight and lack of turbo lag, but none the less it's down to the drivers IMHO.

    Although I'd still go with the S3 :D Mini's are for girls and if you're a dude driving one then no offence (by no I really mean the most offensive way possible xD ) then you need your head examined, I personally don't see the appeal, BMW engines are good but nothing comes close to the VdT or Quattro :D
     
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    I'll keep an eye out for you in my rear mirror as I leave you from the lights, grandad. :lmfao:
     
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    haha make sure you give a little wave as well
    and less of the grandad got a few decades before i get to that stage yet :moa:
     
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    Yeah I know what you mean but it can be misleading...you could drive everywhere in a 1.6 ford focus in 2nd gear and you would probably accelerate from 25-35/40 pretty quickly - its not a quick car tho lol.

    I bet the driver was just rolling at high revs in a low gear so he was right on the power and then floored it from there
     
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    1. ESP off
    2. into manual
    3. footbrake on
    4. hold at 2400rpm
    5. when the lights go green release the footbrake and give it the beans.


    it's fun :D
     
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    right i have been in this situation with my mapped 2.0t quattro and to be honest they are pretty evenly matched.but if the cooper s was tuned it would be gone.
    i would own a mini cooper s works now if the insurance was not so ridiculous on them!
    very good fun little car
     
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    i owned a cooper S fella and also ran against it with my misus driving that against my stage 1 S3 which matches an 8P S3 (i have done so 3 times against 3 different S3's)

    not being funny but unless you have a constructive comment and evidence....
     
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    ok ok i think you guys are getting the cooper S's mixed up...the supercharged ones will lose out top end, ive ran against plenty and witnessed exactly that, its the turbo one i'm talking about, the R56, came out around 06 plate (although R54 IIRC was still being sold too at this point)

    tell tail sign is the bigger rear exhausts, bigger lights front and back......this was the misus from last year

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    and this is the older version- supercharged
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    Audi-sport.net drag race to settle this I think?
     
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    The R56 Mini Turbo engine is in fact a Peugeot unit, nowt to do with BMW!
     
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    spot on Lee, its the 206 engine (or version of)

    The R56 owners are worried about mapping them as a consequencve as the bottom end is like chocolate, the JCW version has uprated rods for just over 200bhp yet the standard cars map up to 230 ish, there are also stories of bottoms ends going as a result.

    Be under no doubt though, new rods, remove one of the bricks in the CAT, CAI and a map and these are serious toys....as standard they dont utilise the bonnet vent either so more gains to be had there with a US induction kit (blanked off from new)

    Unlike the older cooper S which had a solid Chrysler unit, costs a lot more to get the power out and isn't as tuneable in the long run,....despite wjhat most R53 owners claim
     
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    What a load of tosh, how can a car that is so far down on power, so near on weight, have a 0-60 time gap of over a second be anywhere near as fast as the S3!?

    As somebody mentioned above, performance is not accurately measured with 2 different drivers at the wheel. In an equal controlled environment the stats will speak for themselves, as they are just that scientific stats.

    If you think you can break the laws of physics, you best go and tell Mr Newton he was wrong.

    Read this, digest it, then come back to me.


    S3 vs. Cooper S (Turbo)
    Audi S3 (8P) vs Mini Cooper S (Mk II) - FastestLaps.com


    2.0L TFSI vs. Cooper S (Turbo)
    Mini Cooper S (Mk II) vs Audi A3 2.0 TFSI (8P) - FastestLaps.com
     
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    well done beanoir... not sure how thins changed to an s3 vs cooper s turbo thread.. its obvious it a S3 would annialate a CS..
     
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    Dont know a whole lot about Mini's tbh, just that they're owned by BMW, and the fact that its a pug engine interests me even less as im not a fan of the french or the majority of their cars

    but I do stand corrected :) haha
     
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    Bear in mind that I'm not talking about throwing it around a track or anything like it. I'm talking about a good old fashioned drag.
    I just wanna know if i'm gonna get laughed at by people waiting at the bus stop watching the race.
     
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    Probably not a lot in that one to be fair then, the car is so evenly matached it will come done to other factors, like driver style, ability and reactions, tyre wear, road surface etc etc. Unless of course you are dragging over a 3 mile straight, then the 2.0L will have the edge on top speed....although unless the people at the bus stop have some fairly handy binoculours, then they won't know who won!
     
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    thats all very well you calling my information 'tosh' but all you have to go on are facts and figures from someones elses tests.... luckily for me i have had the benefit of spending some time in the car driving the damned thing....i didnt say it was conclusive evidence, but i tell you now, off a roundabout from 20-30 mph you will not 'demolish' a cooper S turbo version in a standard S3...i guarantee you that - throw at me what ever figures you want, i have driven both with enthusiasm and have put the cooper up against other cars in sprints including the previously mentioned 3.2 TT (the chap looked gutted)

    now, we all know the variables...the reason i put so much emphasis on mine versus the Mini is that mine is and was running spot on, and this test was carried out on the way back from the dealers, the first time my misus had driven it!! uphill i grant you which may have played a part in the power to weight aspects

    please do not insult me with your second hand facts just to justify you buying what you think is a rocket ship
     
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    There's 0-60 and 1/4mi times on there.

    Looks like the A3 has slightly longer legs but it'd pretty much be a dead heat at the beginning
     
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    First and very importantly foremost, I never said I had a rocket ship, in fact if you read a few of the threads on here you'd know my view on the S3 is far from one of sticking it on a pedastal, and I never once used the term "demolish".

    What i don't agree is that one man's claim from driving on a public road, against a driver of who knows what ability can claim his facts are more accurate than that of much more controlled environments, with professional more equally matched drivers, using proper track timing equipment, and overwhelmingly one-sided results over a multitude of different scenarios.

    Fine by me if you want to make these claims, but they lack any sort of statistical, controlled or witnessed back-up, it's just your view compared with information of far superior credibility i'm afraid.

    I'm not insulting you, i'm insulting your claims.
     
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    ok ive roostered several cooper s turbos/superchargers in my S3... (when it was non Revo too) dont compare imho.. sorry to say this but the S3 is quite a bit faster than the 2.0T (only sayin this to hopefully kill off this discussion of S3 vs Cooper S) back to 2.0T/2.0TDi vs Cooper S as started by O.P


    and i totally agree with beanoir... the test site he has used is fairer than anyting stated on this thread.. them tests (i guess) would have been set up with same driver and all digital timing eqipment.. something a lot more accurate than mine or anyones feel after driving the two cars.. :applaus:
     
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    Fair point.... although it isn't as conclusive as 'the figures state what they state' and that's it....... i have evidence to contradict that.

    I suggest you run your car up against a turbo'd cooper S mid range and see how much you pull away, my guess is 'not as much as you think' given what i know, and dragging mid range doesnt require as much skill as off the line, i'm sure you will agree...take away the corners and the off the line skill and all your left with is your gears and right foot (and possibly traction issues :) ) - bear in mind i was annoyed as much as the next bloke when i saw how close that Mini got to me, or should i say, how little my lead was

    oh and the 1/4 mile times are inaccurate, i've witnessed sub 15's from a standard S

    and again for others on here...no point in drawing a comparison between supercharged and turbo'd coopers, they are totally different beasts even though BM's own figures set them side by side
     
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    So to get this somewhere near to the original question, let me ask this.......................

    If you had to bet £100 on an off the line drag up to 300 meters between a Mini Cooper S turbo, a Cooper S Supercharged, and an A3 2.0TFSI DSG, who would your money be on???
     
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    S3?
     

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