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A3 170 CR S LINE Honest review ......

Discussion in 'A3/S3/Sportback (8P Chassis)' started by jonathon555, Feb 18, 2009.

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    [Feb 18, 2009]
    OK, lets start I am new to this forum & have been considering a black edition 170 sportback as my next company car.

    So I have managed to get a 2009 A3 170 S line on a 4 day demo delivered. I do about 30,000 company miles a year in my company car plus 10,000 personal driving miles in my other cars.

    Just so you don't think i am some kind of petrol head fool ! I have had over 50 different cars in the past 17 years including Nissan GTr;s Evo's, All the Renaultsports etc Currently have an E90 3 series 320D, Renault megane R26 Mapped, Saxo VTS track car.

    So i have decided to write an honest review of the past 48hrs using the audi .... so here it goes.

    The car was delivered with 1800 miles on the clock so quite tight for a diesel, it has a bose sound system & a few other options which arn't worth mentioning really.

    So how does it go ?

    Very very well in my opinion, i have previously had a 150 tdi golf which was mapped. This is my nearest benchmark for this car.... I reckon the audi is faster by a chunk. We have already run this car against my cousins 123d coupe, we were shocked at how well the A3 could hold its own against the twin turbo bm. We ran them from 20 mph 2nd gear roll on (private ground) to *** mph the bmw only started making 1 car length of gap at above *** mph .

    I have had it out on motorways all day today, it can really make ground on the outside lane way faster than my 3 series by a massive margin.

    The only problem i have come across so far ist that the steering is far too light for pushing on a fast winding road & the lack of front end grip on the limit. Don't get me wrong here the car i have here is fitted with bridgestones with michelin pilots the result may be different.

    It is hard to get this car to adjust the pitch of the car by using the throttle alone, it seems to just plough on, But by knowing the grip limits & being a bit more gentle you can really cover ground with this car.

    The interior seems to be from an old school era compared to an a4 or a5. No push button start etc, old school synphony stereo not even touch screen. The seats are ok but not as comfy as the new A4 sline or tt seat with the pull out leg supports, (Audi if you read this please update the front seats to the same spec as the a4 or scirrocco with the 12 way lumbar support) The clock are nice & clear & in proper postions (better than the new A4) Pulling the hand brake on with the arm rest down is a pain as it can pull your back ! the cup holder is also very awkward posion between the front seats. What wrong with having a pop out one on the dash instead of a stupid change tray ( you used to be able to change it)

    The boot space is ok , though i would not classify this as a proper kidnappers car ( as your potential target may find the sportback boot a touch cramped)

    This car has 1 interior rattle developing already which is not that good, as my bmw has 0 after 90,000 miles. The stereo IMO is very good with a nice volume level can be acheived with no distortion.

    Ok my finger are getting tired now so lets have a verdict .....

    For a diesel this CR engine is exceptional, so quiet its unreal, responsive beyond anything i could imagine & as for the power delivery,,,, lets just say Audi have used very large horses in this engine. Bmw in the 320D 163 BHP have used shetland ponies in comparison. The Audi IMHO is putting out at leat 180 BHP & 280 lb/ft.

    Ineterior could do with a small upgrade to the seats & make them go lower !

    There is also quite alot of road noise from the tyres compared to the bmw even though my bm runs on 18" run flats.

    What can I say to finish the ....... bye bye bmw, hello AUDI

    any questions please pm me

    thanks:racer:
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    Wow good report.

    I doubt anyone can argue with the good or bad points you have highlighted.

    I agree with you on the understeer, I have an older 140 tdi and it took alot of getting used to the steering. It is slightly numb but when you get used to it you can carry a decent amount of speed into corners.

    Good report! :thumbsup:
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    Wow good report.

    I doubt anyone can argue with the good or bad points you have highlighted.

    I agree with you on the understeer, I have an older 140 tdi and it took alot of getting used to the steering. It is slightly numb but when you get used to it you can carry a decent amount of speed into corners.

    Good report! :thumbsup:
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    [Feb 19, 2009]

    This'll get interesting when Bowfer arrives!! :whistle2::yahoo:

    Great write up. So have you ordered the A3 yet?
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    I have the older 170 engine and its a pretty good all round car. Its not the most sporty handling admittedly but its not bad.

    Out of interest have you tried the later 320d with 177bhp engine?
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    Yes I have tried the 177 BHP BMW engine its pretty good, It feels alot more than 14 BHP more than the 163 BHP engine.

    I Just do not trust BMW demo cars anymore ! I was given a 120D loan demonstrator for the day whilst my car was in for service. It was a 163 BHP engine supposidly, but it was a lot more than 163 from my estimations due to the ammount of acceleration it had, it was just ridicolous. My 320D 163 just struggles along in comparison.

    The other week i was given a 318D loan car which was way faster than my 320D. So I just do not trust them. I drove a 177 demo from 1 garage which pulled like a train well into 3 figures & kept wheel spinning the rear wheels in 2nd gear. I took a 177 from another dealer which was just a touch better than a 163.

    WTF ??????????

    I just can't work it out how two apparently identical cars can be so far apart.


    Just reading the full Autocar 320D test again they managed to acheive 0 - 100 mph in 22.8 seconds. My Identical 320D 0 - 100 MPH 29.7 seconds.

    I used race technology performance equipment.
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    you think thats cramped, try the quattro i tried to put a dead body in my s3 boot and........oh cock.

    seems the CR engines are getting nothing but a big thumbs up.
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    [Feb 19, 2009]
    Brilliant review mate, thanks for that and welcome to the forum.
    Never been a diesel fan myself but i'm hearing great things about the new CR 170 engines. With a good remap i bet it's a seriously quick machine to the point where Audi better start improving the refinement and power of it's petrol engines to keep up with it's diesels.
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    I throughly agree about the new CR diesels. Having driven a 140 for two hours on Sunday and a 170 for two hours on Tuesday they are both very smooth and much quieter than the previous engines. Personally I found the 170 slightly noisier than the 140 and I think that could be down to a slightly bigger turbo.

    I spoke to a chap on the service desk at my local dealers this afternoon and he has had 140 Sportback as his car for several months and is averaging around 50mpg.
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    [Feb 19, 2009]
    Nice review, I have a CR-140 and love it, it's worlds apart from my old 1.9 PD150 Golf.
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    [Feb 26, 2009]
    what engine would an 08 TDI sport have? (pre facelift - ie, no indictors in mirrors, etc) this sounded different to my 170 but was awfully rough and grumbly - so glad to get ine back its silky in comparison, if not quite as punchy from low revs
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    No facelift then it would not be the common rail but the previous gen PD based units, so either 1.9 (105bhp), 2.0 (140bhp) or 2.0 (170bhp).
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    [Apr 19, 2009]
    When did the A3 diesel engine change to Common Rail
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    The A3 2.0 TDI diesels changed to the common-rail type for the 3-door and Sportback for the 2009 Model Year. That basically means all cars made after June 2008 although the 170 was not generally available until around September 2008. The 1.9 TDI is still a PD diesel.
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    great review. i have a 2006 1.9tdi (105bhp) and it sounds awful. cannot wait for my new black edition 2.0tdi to arrive.
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    [May 18, 2009]
    great review. i have an '06 1.9tdi and it sounds AWFUL. i am about 6 weeks away fromdelivery of the "black edition" 2.0tdi 170ps and am hoping after reading reviews that its a lot quieter. bloody hope so as its a company car that will have to be withme for 3 years.

    i have spanked it out with : lumbar, heated seats, electric mirrors, upgraded stereo, parking sensors.

    :racer::rock:
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    [May 18, 2009]
    I've now had my new A3 Sportback 2.0TDI-140 for just a couple of weeks and the difference in the engine is very noticable. It's so much quieter and smoother than my previous A3 with the PD170 engine. I'm sure you will be happy with your new one, especially when compared with the old 1.9 engine.
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