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Discussion in 'A4/S4 forum(B5 Chassis)' started by ScottD3, Oct 12, 2011.

  1. ScottD3
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    ScottD3 I want your faulty electronics

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    [Oct 12, 2011]
    Its an idea i've been toying with for some time and been working on since Saturday.
    Thanks to Byzan for the clocks I can butcher and thanks to TonyA4 for the clocks to test (I've not blown them up yet).

    I want to fit facelift clocks to my Pre-facelift car.

    There is changes in the cable layout, different plugs and different sensors needed. Forgetting the sensors for now, they can be added later. I made a loom up out of facelift plugs and wires and the sockets from the back of a pre-facelift clock. I got pictures for that, which I will post up later.

    I think I got most of it working but I'm stuck on a couple of little bits.

    What works:=-
    Door sensors. not all but some. thats down to me not wiring them in.
    Dash lights. The clocks light up when I turn the light on but they don't when I open the door or turn the key, like pre-facelift lights. Is this correct?
    Voltage.
    Fuel.
    DIS control.
    digi displays.
    Dimming the display.

    Thats all I can test at the moment as I can't start the car to get it up to temp, speed or revs.

    What does not work:=-
    Its moaning about some sensors, oil, breaks and I think thats it. I can't really tell cause the screen has missing pixels.
    The immobilizer, I need to get this removed, codded, changed. I'm not sure what.
    Really important, I can't set the time. I push, twist and nothing happens. I think it goes in to a test mode at some point.

    Any ideas, pointers, helps or any thing would be great. My main aim is to get it working and the car driving. I will worry about the oil sensors and break sensors at a later date. I think thats the sensors thats missing.

    Here is some images (If they don't work, let me know and i'll get some photobucket ones up tomorrow)

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    rasA4 Four Rings Mafia Specialist

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    Good Job! so far
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    Thats looking good Scott.
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    248,000 miles????? Fook me! Mine's barely run in with 148,000 lol

    Seriously though mate, nice bit of work there. Will be interested how you get on
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    ScottD3 I want your faulty electronics

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    [Oct 12, 2011]
    First thing I need to sort out is to remove or recode immobilizer and get the engine running.
    does any one have ideas about this?

    When you attempt to start a car with no key and immob is active, does the rev counter not work?

    how do you set the clock?

    left stalk on the clocks, what does each left, right and push do?
    right stalk, what does push do?
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    im very interested in this too, keep at it
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    ScottD3 I want your faulty electronics

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    [Oct 12, 2011]
    has any one got the wiring diagrams in digital format for the b5s?
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    i can do, but be tomorrow now as i need to swap PCs over to my xp box for my full etka. Which bits you need?
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    ScottD3 I want your faulty electronics

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    [Oct 13, 2011]
    Want to double check the wiring on clocks.
    The pin outs I got seem to be ok but there is a couple that I confirmation on.
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    [Oct 13, 2011]
    A little video
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    Video not found
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    To set the time you PULL the left hand pin iirc?

    Immo is both part of the ECU and the clocks. You need the SKC from the cluster which you can extract with vagtacho, then use vagcom to pair the Cluster with the Engine ECU.

    You may find your older engine ECU wont pair with an IMMO3 cluster, but all you can do is try.

    Oil sensor uses a combined PWM signal for temperature, level and quality on a >2000 facelift cluster. You'll need to swap the sump for a later one with the level sensor, and connect the wiring appropriately. The dash will permenantly display "SENSOR" and an oil symbol without it.

    Pad warning can easily be turned off by shorting the appropriate wire to earth.

    Pinouts are as follows:
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    [TABLE="width: 100%"]

    [TD="class: spalte-text"][TABLE="class: cc abstand-kap einzug-standard"]

    [TD="class: titel-kap"]Pin assignment at multi-pin connectors on instrument cluster - vehicles from model year 1998[/TD]
    [/TABLE]
    [/TD]
    [TD="class: spalte-pfeil"]
    [/TD]
    [TD="class: spalte-marg"]
    [/TD]
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="width: 100%"]

    [TD="class: spalte-text"] [TABLE="class: cc einzug-standard abstand-standard absatz-hervor"]

    Multi-pin connector, 32-pin, blue
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-standard erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]1 - [/TD]
    Terminal 15
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]2 - [/TD]
    Turn signal (right-side)
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]3 - [/TD]
    Speedometer output 1
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]4 - [/TD]
    Not used
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]5 - [/TD]
    Fuel gauge sender
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]6 - [/TD]
    Airbag
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]7 - [/TD]
    Terminal 31 (sensor earth)
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]8 - [/TD]
    Coolant temperature
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]9 - [/TD]
    Terminal 31 (load earth)
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]10 - [/TD]
    Oil pressure switch
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]11 - [/TD]
    Engine speed signal
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]12 - [/TD]
    Terminal 61
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]13 - [/TD]
    Glow period warning lamp or CAT
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]14 - [/TD]
    Self-levelling suspension
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]15 - [/TD]
    Terminal 58d
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]16 - [/TD]
    Trailer turn signal / fault in engine electrical system
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]17 - [/TD]
    Main beams
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]18 - [/TD]
    Turn signal (left-side)
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]19 - [/TD]
    ABS
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]20 - [/TD]
    Terminal 58s
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]21 - [/TD]
    Door contact, driver's side
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]22 - [/TD]
    Coolant level low
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]23 - [/TD]
    Terminal 30
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]24 - [/TD]
    Terminal 31 (load earth)
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]25 - [/TD]
    K wire
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]26 - [/TD]
    Right parking light
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]27 - [/TD]
    Left parking light
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]28 - [/TD]
    Speedometer input
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]29 - [/TD]
    Brake fluid level/pressure
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]30 - [/TD]
    S contact
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]31 - [/TD]
    Belt buckle
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]32 - [/TD]
    ESP
    [/TABLE]
    [/TD]
    [TD="class: spalte-pfeil"]
    [/TD]
    [TD="class: spalte-marg"][​IMG] [/TD]
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="width: 100%"]

    [TD="class: spalte-text"] [TABLE="class: cc einzug-standard abstand-standard absatz-hervor"]

    Multi-pin connector, 32-pin, green
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-standard erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]1 - [/TD]
    Not used
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]2 - [/TD]
    Transponder 1
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]3 - [/TD]
    Not used
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]4 - [/TD]
    Immobilizer
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]5 - [/TD]
    W wire
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]6 - [/TD]
    Boot lid/tailgate (Lowline version only)
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]7 - [/TD]
    Brake pads (Highline version only)
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]8 - [/TD]
    Not used
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]9 - [/TD]
    Not used
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]10 - [/TD]
    Fuel tank warning output signal for engine control unit (only on 6-cylinder TDI and on export versions for USA)
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]11 - [/TD]
    Standing time output
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]12 - [/TD]
    Air conditioner shut-off
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]13 - [/TD]
    Handbrake
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]14 - [/TD]
    Electronic throttle
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]15 - [/TD]
    Parking lights
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]16 - [/TD]
    Not used
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]17 - [/TD]
    Transponder 2
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]18 - [/TD]
    Not used
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]19 - [/TD]
    Not used
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]20 - [/TD]
    Not used
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]21 - [/TD]
    Oil temperature
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]22 - [/TD]
    Not used
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]23 - [/TD]
    Not used
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]24 - [/TD]
    Not used
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]25 - [/TD]
    Not used
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]26 - [/TD]
    Not used
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]27 - [/TD]
    Not used
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]28 - [/TD]
    Not used
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]29 - [/TD]
    Terminal 58d (external dimmer potentiometer)
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]30 - [/TD]
    Speedometer output 2
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]31 - [/TD]
    Not used
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]32 - [/TD]
    Not used
    [/TABLE]
    [/TD]
    [TD="class: spalte-pfeil"]
    [/TD]
    [TD="class: spalte-marg"][​IMG] [/TD]
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="width: 100%"]

    [TD="class: spalte-text"] [TABLE="class: cc einzug-standard abstand-standard absatz-hervor"]

    Multi-pin connector, 20-pin, red
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-standard erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]1 - [/TD]
    Fuel consumption signal
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]2 - [/TD]
    Not used
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]3 - [/TD]
    Not used
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]4 - [/TD]
    Not used
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]5 - [/TD]
    Ambient temperature
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]6 - [/TD]
    Selector lever position indicator
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]7 - [/TD]
    Not used
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]8 - [/TD]
    Not used
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]9 - [/TD]
    Washer fluid low
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]10 - [/TD]
    Hydraulic pressure
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]11 - [/TD]
    On-board computer reset
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]12 - [/TD]
    Clock signal for radio frequency display
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]13 - [/TD]
    Data signal for radio frequency display
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]14 - [/TD]
    On-board computer, left
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]15 - [/TD]
    Enable signal for radio frequency display
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]16 - [/TD]
    Tail lights / dipped beams (bulb monitor)
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]17 - [/TD]
    Glow plug relay (on TDI engines the low-voltage monitor in the instrument cluster is disabled while the glow plugs are activated)
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]18 - [/TD]
    On-board computer, right
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]19 - [/TD]
    Brake light
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]20 - [/TD]
    Not used
    [/TABLE]
    [/TD]
    [/TABLE]
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    [TABLE="width: 100%"]

    [TD="class: spalte-text"][TABLE="class: cc abstand-kap einzug-standard"]

    [TD="class: titel-kap"]Pin assignment at multi-pin connectors on instrument cluster (2000my)
    [/TD]
    [/TABLE]
    [/TD]
    [TD="class: spalte-pfeil"]
    [/TD]
    [TD="class: spalte-marg"]
    [/TD]
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="width: 100%"]

    [TD="class: spalte-text"] [TABLE="class: cc einzug-standard abstand-standard absatz-hervor"]

    Multi-pin connector, 32-pin, blue
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-standard erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]1 - [/TD]
    Terminal 15
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]2 - [/TD]
    Brake pad wear
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]3 - [/TD]
    Speedometer (output 1)
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]4 - [/TD]
    Not used
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]5 - [/TD]
    Fuel gauge sender
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]6 - [/TD]
    Fuel tank warning OBD 2
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]7 - [/TD]
    Terminal 31 (sensor earth)
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]8 - [/TD]
    Coolant temperature
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]9 - [/TD]
    Terminal 31 (load earth)
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]10 - [/TD]
    Oil pressure 2 (high)
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]11 - [/TD]
    Engine speed signal
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]12 - [/TD]
    Air conditioner shut-off
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]13 - [/TD]
    Electronic throttle / glow period warning lamp
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]14 - [/TD]
    Self-levelling suspension
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]15 - [/TD]
    Terminal 58d
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]16 - [/TD]
    Turn signal (trailer)
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]17 - [/TD]
    Main beams
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]18 - [/TD]
    Turn signal (left-side)
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]19 - [/TD]
    Not used
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]20 - [/TD]
    Terminal 58s
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]21 - [/TD]
    Driver's door contact
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]22 - [/TD]
    Coolant level low
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]23 - [/TD]
    Terminal 30
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]24 - [/TD]
    Terminal 31 (load earth)
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]25 - [/TD]
    Fuel consumption signal
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]26 - [/TD]
    Right parking light
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]27 - [/TD]
    Left parking light
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]28 - [/TD]
    Speedometer input
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]29 - [/TD]
    Brake
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]30 - [/TD]
    S contact
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]31 - [/TD]
    Speedometer (output 2)
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]32 - [/TD]
    ESP/ASR (TCS)
    [/TABLE]
    [/TD]
    [TD="class: spalte-pfeil"]
    [/TD]
    [TD="class: spalte-marg"][​IMG] [/TD]
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="width: 100%"]

    [TD="class: spalte-text"] [TABLE="class: cc einzug-standard abstand-standard absatz-hervor"]

    Multi-pin connector, 32-pin, green
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-standard erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]1 - [/TD]
    Door contact (all doors)
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]2 - [/TD]
    Transponder 1
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]3 - [/TD]
    Not used
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]4 - [/TD]
    Not used
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]5 - [/TD]
    W wire
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]6 - [/TD]
    Rear lid
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]7 - [/TD]
    Turn signal (right-side)
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]8 - [/TD]
    Not used
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]9 - [/TD]
    Not used
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]10 - [/TD]
    Airbag
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]11 - [/TD]
    Standing time output
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]12 - [/TD]
    Terminal 61/charge warning
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]13 - [/TD]
    Parking brake / BRAKE
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]14 - [/TD]
    CHECK
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]15 - [/TD]
    Oil level / oil temperature
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]16 - [/TD]
    Not used
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]17 - [/TD]
    Transponder 2
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]18 - [/TD]
    CAN high speed, power train (+)
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]19 - [/TD]
    CAN high speed, power train (–)
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]20 - [/TD]
    CAN high speed, power train (screening)
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]21 - [/TD]
    ABS
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]22 - [/TD]
    CAN low speed, convenience (+)
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]23 - [/TD]
    CAN low speed, convenience (–)
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]24 - [/TD]
    CAN low speed, convenience (screening)
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]25 - [/TD]
    Bonnet
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]26 - [/TD]
    Not used
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]27 - [/TD]
    Belt buckle
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]28 - [/TD]
    K wire
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]29 - [/TD]
    Ambient temperature input
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]30 - [/TD]
    Not used
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]31 - [/TD]
    Selector lever display
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]32 - [/TD]
    Not used
    [/TABLE]
    [/TD]
    [TD="class: spalte-pfeil"]
    [/TD]
    [TD="class: spalte-marg"][​IMG] [/TD]
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="width: 100%"]

    [TD="class: spalte-text"] [TABLE="class: cc einzug-standard abstand-standard absatz-hervor"]

    Multi-pin connector, 32-pin, grey
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-standard erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]1 - [/TD]
    Menu switch (menu)
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]2 - [/TD]
    Menu switch (out A)
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]3 - [/TD]
    Menu switch (out B)
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]4 - [/TD]
    Menu switch (enter)
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]5 - [/TD]
    CAN high speed, display (+)
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]6 - [/TD]
    CAN high speed, display (–)
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]7 - [/TD]
    CAN high speed, display (screening)
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]8 - [/TD]
    Passenger's door contact
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]9 - [/TD]
    Door contact, rear right
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]10 - [/TD]
    Door contact, rear left
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]11 - [/TD]
    Enable
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]12 - [/TD]
    Clock
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]13 - [/TD]
    Data
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]14 - [/TD]
    Brake light
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]15 - [/TD]
    Washer fluid level
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]16 - [/TD]
    Tail lights / dipped beams
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]17 - [/TD]
    On-board computer, left
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]18 - [/TD]
    On-board computer, right
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]19 - [/TD]
    On-board computer reset
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]20 - [/TD]
    Not used
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]21 - [/TD]
    Not used
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]22 - [/TD]
    Not used
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]23 - [/TD]
    Control group 1, Navigation system
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]24 - [/TD]
    Control group 2, Navigation system
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]25 - [/TD]
    Control group, Telematics
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]26 - [/TD]
    Not used
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]27 - [/TD]
    Not used
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]28 - [/TD]
    Not used
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]29 - [/TD]
    Not used
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]30 - [/TD]
    Not used
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]31 - [/TD]
    Not used
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]32 - [/TD]
    Not used
    [/TABLE]
    [/TD]
    [TD="class: spalte-pfeil"]
    [/TD]
    [TD="class: spalte-marg"][​IMG] [/TD]
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="width: 100%"]

    [TD="class: spalte-text"] [TABLE="class: cc einzug-standard abstand-standard absatz-hervor"]

    Multi-pin connector, 4-pin, black, for radio-controlled clock
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-standard erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]1 - [/TD]
    Radio-controlled clock signal (data)
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]2 - [/TD]
    Radio-controlled clock 5V
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]3 - [/TD]
    Not used
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]4 - [/TD]
    Radio-controlled clock earth
    [/TABLE]
    [/TD]
    [/TABLE]
    #14
  16. Broken Byzan
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  17. ScottD3
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    ScottD3 I want your faulty electronics

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    [Oct 13, 2011]
    New video.try again.
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  18. ScottD3
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    ScottD3 I want your faulty electronics

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    thanks I'll try the clock again tomorrow.

    PWM signal?

    I might fit the sensor but put it somewhere else till I swap the sump over. I got a leaking sump at the moment, so its something to add to the lift for when I do that.

    Klappe says he's got what I need, so hopefully he'll be over this weekend and we can turn the pads off and attempt coding.

    these clocks are from tonyA4, I also have the key from the same car as these clocks.
    I might try that before coding but if the immob code is in the ECU and clocks, It will be trial and error.
    There was a forum post about removing the immob from the ECU, I'll dig it out.

    Thanks for the pin outs. Do you know if the EU pin outs differ from the yanks? I got two pin out diagrams from the states.
    Last edited: Oct 14, 2011
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  19. AR-rkon
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    AR-rkon BZZZZ.... caffeine fueled electrical engineer Regional Rep

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    [Oct 13, 2011]
    PWM = Pulse Width Modulation

    Heres the maths :lmfao:

    [​IMG]

    Make more sense now? :whistle2:

    Looking good though scotty :) well done. sorry ive not been much help, just not had the time lately.
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  20. ScottD3
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    ScottD3 I want your faulty electronics

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    Could I make a PWM circuit and use that?
    As a tem fix, to remove the error?
    I'm not sure how the sensor works, so that idea might be stupid.
    Last edited: Oct 14, 2011
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  21. AR-rkon
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    AR-rkon BZZZZ.... caffeine fueled electrical engineer Regional Rep

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    It would probably be easier to fit the later model sump and sensor and wire it to the cluster... as i suspect finding out what the output of the sensor would prove difficult...
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  22. ScottD3
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    ScottD3 I want your faulty electronics

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    [Oct 14, 2011]
    i've checked the pins out I got from the states with the pin out Aragorn supplied and there is slight differences.

    There is a couple of changes over two plugs.

    First is the 98 Green plug.
    The yanks don't have any thing in Pins 2, 4, 17 and 29.

    Pin 2, Transponder 1
    Pin 4, Immobilizer
    Pin 17, Transponder 2

    I assume the above pins are missing on the yanks cause they did not have immobilizers in pre-facelift A4s?
    These pins are the same on 98 and 2000. Which is good, they are in the right places.

    Pin 29, Terminal 58d (external dimmer potentiometer)
    Not a clue what this one does. There is a couple of them on both 98 and 2000 in the blue plug but nothing in Green. so Not sure where this one has to go or even if its needed.

    Next is the Red Plug on 98s.
    Pin 17, Glow plugs.
    I'm not sure where this one goes.
    On the 98 Clocks there is 2 Glow plug pins
    Blue
    13 - Glow period warning lamp or CAT
    Red
    17 - Glow plug relay (on TDI engines the low-voltage monitor in the instrument cluster is disabled while the glow plugs are activated)

    On the 2000 clocks there is 1 glow plug pin
    Blue
    13 - Electronic throttle / glow period warning lamp

    Where does the Red 17 go?

    On my current loom, the glow plug light was acting runny, It would flash at first and then stop.
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  23. ScottD3
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    That is the long term plan but short term to get the clocks up and running for now would be to trick it in to thinking it has a sensor.
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  24. aragorn
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    aragorn "Stick a V8 in it!" Staff Member Moderator VCDS Map User

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    It'll be FAR easier just to fit the sump and sensor than trying to fool it.

    As you say, yank cars dont have immo.

    58d is the dimmer output. One of the dials on the cluster dims the cluster, and also sends the output off round the car to dim the illumination on the dash/switches etc.

    For the glow plugs, i'd leave 13 connected to 13, and ignore 17 as its not mentioned on the 2000 cluster.
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  25. ScottD3
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    [Oct 14, 2011]
    Bit of a update.

    I went out and had a play with the key that came from the same car as the clocks.
    It never worked, never thought it would but worth a go.
    I need a copy of Vag Commander and VCDS to get theses clocks coded and see if they will work with my ECU. If this does not work, I will have to look in to other options for immob.

    I plugged the original clocks and it still works, so thats good.
    Got some heat in the oil and temp gauges to see if they worked on the new clocks and they do. WooHoo.

    What works:=-
    Oil Temp
    Water Temp
    Bettery voltage
    Fuel Gauge
    Clock
    Door sensors
    Lights
    Dimming
    DIS controls on stalk

    What's not working or unable to test:=-
    Speedo
    Rev counter
    Odo Meter
    DIS for MPG and such
    DIS for auto boxes

    I think that's it. Alot of the above can't be tested cause the car won't start. Once I can start the car and drive it i'll be able to test them.

    Aragorn, TonyA4 is sending me up the sensor from his breaker, so i'll be able to wiring that in to test it.
    Every thing else is waiting on VAG commander or vagtacho.
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  26. Foxmeister
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    Good stuff mate, keep at it!
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  27. AR-rkon
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    AR-rkon BZZZZ.... caffeine fueled electrical engineer Regional Rep

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    VAG TACHO 3.01 Dash Correction Tool Vauxhall Opel Immo | eBays the vagtacho i have. works perfectly. can even match your mileage from your old cluster while your there :D
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  28. ScottD3
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    ScottD3 I want your faulty electronics

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    Nice one.

    Trouble is I only need to use it once so a bit begrudging spending money on a one time use device.

    Want to post me yours? :)
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  29. ScottD3
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    [Oct 14, 2011]
    Heres a couple of semi good pics

    [​IMG]

    Oil and temp gauges at the same temp when I took the old clocks out
    [​IMG]

    parts of the loom I made
    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]

    I do hope Byzan never wanted theses clocks back.
    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]
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  30. AR-rkon
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    drop me a pm with your mobi, and we'll see if we cant sort something out :eyebrows:
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    Is there any real benefits in changing to the facelift clocks? What extra do they offer?(Apart from slight cosmetic differences)
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    Looks really mate.
    Oil level sensor.
    Door opening warning.
    Digi clock with date.
    and erm.........Thats it. Thats all I know.



    Has any one heard, done or even know about the emergency start you can with the clocks?
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    E Start with the clocks? elaborate?? i'm intrigued
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    there is a way, but it only runs for 40 mins iirc.

    I may know where there is an immo emulator available for immo2. Very possible you could use it to tell the ECU all is fine so the car runs, even if the dash says no.
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    in short you attempt to start the car with a key, use the clocks to enter the 4 digit SKC number in to the clocks and the car will start.
    I'll send you the link later mate.
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    Nah it's all good, although did i leave the adjustable pot thingy soldered onto the back by the LCD?
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    There is a chunk of solder on hte back but nothing with it.
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    That would be cool.

    Am I right in thinking that my pre-facelift cluster is IMMO1 and the facelift cluster is IMMO2?

    I found a thread about people swapping the IMMO chips over on the ECU to beat reprogramming.
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    facelift is possibly immo3, there seems to be some confusion as to which it is
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    Hmmm, any ideas how to find out?
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    You also get infotainment can-bus, so if you wanted to retrofit RNS-E or Audi bluetooth etc.

    With all these culster swaps you don't have a spare remote key you would sell? I need one for a little project.
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