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A Brilliant Little Engine

Discussion in 'A3/S3/Sportback (8P Chassis)' started by TFSI, Mar 3, 2008.

  1. ADEY
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    "Diesel is *****" (quote)God why did i get rid of my gti for a diesel....id rather be paying £40 a week for unleaded than £25 for deisel!!!;) :laugh:
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    Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit my friend. I don't like it Geoff. I have never proclaimed myself a motoring expert nor do I claim to have any 'superior knowledge'. I simply assert my beliefs.

    To clarify: I hate diesel as it is a filthy repugnant fuel. Everytime I fill my wife's car up for her is something of an ordeal for me. The **** makes me gag. Diesel engines may have come along leaps and bounds within the past ten years but I still cannot abide the noise of diesel engines. I would rather make my presence unannounced when I arrive home in the evening instead of sounding like a Hackney waiting for a fare outside. Perhaps they may be more slightly more economical if driven with a light foot, but I believe that small turbo charged petrol engines are better.

    By the way, the Audi performance figures for the 1.4TFSi and the 2.0 Taxi 140 are identical.
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    Diesel is the future.
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    :box:

    In my opinion the biggest downside to driving a diesel car has to do with emissions. Diesel cars may be cleaner than they used to be but they're still dirtier than gasoline cars, and a whole lot dirtier than a hybrid. And there's still that rank smell. What you see and smell out of the tailpipe is typically worse than with a petrol engine.

    Diesel cars spit out more tiny particles of soot and more oxides of nitrogen, which contributes to local smog.

    I prefer an engine with a broad rev band as it suits my local (rural, hilly, winding) roads better.
    In my opinion petrol cars are better value for money: you get much more car pound for pound with petrol. Buying diesel increases costs considerably and in my opinion the price isn't justified.

    AND THERE IS STILL THAT JCB NOISE!!!

    HOW CAN FOLK STAND THAT ON A COLD WINTER MORNING???
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    You really are somewhat emotional about this aren't you? "Hate" "****" "Repugnant" "Gag". This seems more like a pathological hatred rather than a logical, fact based, preference.

    I think you may have a hidden issue here. Are Celtic sponsored by a diesel supplier by any chance?

    Hang on, don't they play in white and green? Green - the colour of unleaded fuel pumps - how could you!!!!!!
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    Tis true I hate Celtic and diesel. So would you if you lived in Turkey where there seem to be no emission controls over the **** whatsoever. Try driving 1100kms to Istanbul behind a constant convoy of diesel.
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    Yes, sorry, I forgot to take into account that you are basing your opinions on your experiences in a third-world country.

    I don't suppose things are much better in Turkey either.
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    And the future my friends is not diesel or petrol... it is fuel cell! Or cycling!!

    Diesel pollute a lot as well!! Make no mistake, the only thing that is lower is the CO2 emission, they emit other hazardous particles as well... so there goes the "clean emissions" thingy.... But lately there has been more development in the diesel engines and emissions. Maybe it is time to develop petrol engines a bit more... can and is already being done...

    Pedro
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    Is that supposed to be funny?

    Clarkson for PM. What a tit you are pal.
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    One of the reasons I bought a diesel was I was fed up wasting time filling up at the petrol stations.No matter what time I go,my local Esso seemed to be full.Cost is never a issue its my time wasted when I could be doing other things.Now I dont fill up as often,and I prefer that

    As to modern diesels sounding like tractors being mentioned elsewhere in this thread,I dont think so!

    Infact my daughter told me my car was the quietest one I have ever had.All my other cars were petrols.I do agree there more noisy on startup but once they get going I hardly hear the engine.

    Each to their own.This is the 1st diesel car I have owned and Its fun to drive.Being used to ZXR 750's I am never impressed with cars turn of speed,but I like comfy seats,music and talking to passengers now rather than hanging onto bike handlebars for the love of god when going hell for leather.

    Glasgowrangers.Thats a great looking car man,I am sure that engine is great for shifting it around quickly.I think your going to have a lot of fun going through the gears with this car:)
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    Everyone is entitled to their views but I think you take it too far, like you are looking for a reaction. Same with people that think Audi are the be all and end all
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    I apologise if I offended anyone by airing my views on diesel cars. I can honestly say that I didn't mean to offend anyone and that I wasn't looking for a reaction. Perhaps my comments were too general.

    There is no excuse for insulting Scotland though. I don't think that is funny.

    :gun2:
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    I was always surprised at how Diesel-like my old A4 2.0t FSI sounded on idle.
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    I agree :yes: I had a 2.0T Quattro on loan for a couple of days and yes it went very well but it did sound like a bag of spanners at idle :yes:
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    I'm thinking hydrogen power may outlive diesel, but agree that of late diesels whip the @rse out of the average petrol.

    The A5 3.0TDi does 0-60 in 5.9 seconds
    The 3.2FSi does 0-60 in 6.1 seconds

    Now I appreciate the diesel has a turbo, but its emissions are lower (CO2), its a lower tax band, its significantly more fuel economical, and most of the current crop on 4 cylinder petrols (obvioulsy not the 3.2FSi), sound like tappety diesels anyway.

    Whilst my S3 is back at the stealers I'm using this at the moment and its very good:


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    and what is it:

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    Now although it is a big car the 3.0TDi is astonishingly good.

    I have always been a petrol head, but the difference is literally nothing. I actually think diesels are better for around town driving as they have such an accessible power band.
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    Diesels are excellent the fuel is evil :whistle2::whistle2: I hate the bloody stuff :yes::yes::yes:

    If you ever listen to a multi cylinder petrol its like music out of the tail pipes :yes:

    If you ever listen to a multi cylinder diesel it still like a bag of spanners :yes:
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    There is a 4.2 V8 A4 cabrio at the bottom of our road. When I hear it start and drive off I curse myself for having been such a cheap skate having bought a 4 pot petrol. It also has a Milltek so the sound of it is enough to give you a semi :eyebrows:

    The V6 diesel whilst refined on the move still sounds tractory.
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    You think that the 4 pot petrol engines ( 4 is multi ) out there sound like music is coming out of their tail pipes? Jesus what kind of music do you like.
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    Having a blonde moment are we :whistle2: 4 Cylinders are bog standard I'm meaning 8's and 12's :yes:
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    because you have one !
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    Lucky me then...
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    I personally feel as though they've over-priced the thing. You're paying £17k for a 1.4 Turbo, which only goes 0-60 in 9.8seconds, when your not far from paying the price of a 2.0.

    On a side note, how come they didn't do a 1.6T FSI instead? Would have made much more sense.
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    Because then it would have been too close to the 2.0TFSi
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    Ever thought that they might not want one? lol!
    I don't doubt that it's a great little engine mate but that doesn't mean that everyone has to rush out and buy one in preference to a 2.0TDI/S3/3.2, different strokes to different folks and all that... :yes:

    Now, i'm well aware that the 2.0Tdi is far from the most refined or fastest diesel motor out there, but i drove a 1.4T at a dealer 'demo weekend' recently, and yes, it's a great engine i agree, but... it was neither as quick or as economical as my 2.0TDi and other than when idling was no quieter, so no obvious advantages to me i'm afraid,

    I'm happy with my choice, your happy with yours, simple as, doesn't mean your daft for not buying a diesel or i for not buying a 1.4T...variety is the spice of life after all lol :icon_thumright:
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    Oh ok. Well price is definitely a problem from my point of view. They should have lowered the price a bit. If I had £17k I would just push the boat a bit and get the 2.0 litre engine.
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    The 2.0T is £3K more expensive the than the 1.4T so its hardly a small amount of money. Then by your logic a S3 is 'not far from paying the price of a 2.0T' as the different is almost the same. There is more to owning a car than just paying for the cost of it, theres insurance, road tax, service cost, fuel cost etc to consider in the long run and you are looking quite alot of money over the span of 2-3 years or however long you plan to keep the car for to maintain and run the car. I myself opted for the 1.4T when I can comfortably afford the 2.0T because I intend it for running around town where there will be alot stop/start and low speed driving, we have a A4 2.0T for other things.

    From Audi's point of view they are trying to keep their prestige pricing so if you cant afford a £17k Audi, you would probably want to start looking at VW and Seats instead. Their engine profile designed so that engines dont overlap each other so create more distinction between the different engines. You have the 1.4T 125bhp, 1.8T 160bhp and the 2.0T 200bhp, you can clearly see the performance gap between each engine, the 1.4T cab easily do 150+bhp as proven by the upcoming A1 and the 1.8T will do 200bhp with a remap. If Audi was to tune the 1.4T to 150bhp or create a 1.6T which would probably have near 150+bhp then suddenly the 1.8T would seem reduntant and pointless.

    So there are perfectly good reasons why people would choose smaller engine cars even if they can afford the higher spec'd engine.
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    You get stung in the arse as soon as you go for the big engine sizes in Turkey. Check the price differences out in Turkey. Bear in mind that these are all prices for bog standard cars. Start adding extras and the price would go through the roof. I would probably have bought the 2.0 if I was based in the U.K. but I'm not so I'm stuffed.

    Euros 46K seems a tad stiff for a 2.0TFSi Sport. That's before options. S-Line is extortionate. About Euros 5K added again.

    Go into this Audi Turkey website and then enter Fiyat Listesi on the right hand corner of the page to see A3 prices in Turkey.

    http://www.audi.com.tr/Audi/A3.aspx

    How do these prices compare with the U.K.?
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    The 2.0 TFSi Sport is 37,000 Sterling in Turkey. Would you pay that for it?

    I paid 27,000 Pounds for my A3 1.4 TFSi Sport after options. That was more than enough for me. I wanted to go the route of the 1.8 initially but just couldn't afford it in the end. The 1.4 seemed the sensible choice as they don't hammer you quite so badly on tax. Bastards.
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    Correct! This is why i opted for a 2.0TFSI quattro s-line rather than an S3. The S3 was in my price range but i just don't want the insurance costs and general running bills of owning one right now.
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    Do you mind if I ask what you paid for your 2.0TFSI quattro s-line all in mate? Just curious.
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    No offence, PNH, but I'm looking at the list of stuff you plan to fit to your 2.0 and wondering if that little lot will take you up to the price of an S3?
    Heavily modified 2.0tfsi, or standard S3?
    Is there much difference?
    Won't the S3 end up being worth more than a heavily modified 2.0 anyway?
    Just wondering.

    I see more of this in the bike world, TBH.
    Bloke buys a budget bike, because he can't afford a better one.
    Then he spend a small fortune on it, either trying to make it as good as the better one, or just to mae it 'different'.
    Ends up spending as much/more than the better bike would have cost.
    I'd rather have a standard, but better, car/bike than a heavily modified, but lesser, care/bike.
    Then again, I cannot be arsed with modifications.
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    [Apr 14, 2008]
    :thumbsup:
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    [Apr 14, 2008]
    Bowfer how's the Beemer running? Are you happy with it? Do you find those big 19'' wheels make the ride uncomfy?
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    [Apr 14, 2008]
    True.
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    It's running fine.
    Even with those wheels, the ride is softer than the S-line.
    Noticeably softer, actually.
    But without comprimising handling......which is nice...


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    Did you get the article I emailed you Bowfer when you were away about the coupe?

    J.
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    I did indeed.
    You going for it?
    I've yet to drive my colleague's twin turbo 123 coupe.
    No matter how much I want to sample the engine, I can't bring myself to drive the ugly little sod of a thing.
    'People' said my D3 would suffer from terrible turbo lag, but I really don't notice it.
    Dying to get it chipped though!

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