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3rd gear logs

Discussion in 'A3/S3 Forum (8L Chassis)' started by millermk1, Feb 10, 2012.

  1. millermk1
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    [Feb 10, 2012]
    Done some 3rd gear logs today, my mate thinks everything looks ok, can anyone see anything different.

    Any info would be great

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    [TABLE="width: 1088"]

    Friday
    [TD="align: right"]10[/TD]
    February
    [TD="align: right"]2012[/TD]
    02:26:14:36807



    VCDS Version: Release 11.11.2 (x64)
    [TD="colspan: 3"]Data version: 20120126[/TD]









    [TD="colspan: 2"]8N0 906 018 BH[/TD]
    [TD="colspan: 3"]1.8L R4/5VT G 0001[/TD]
    [TD="colspan: 12"][/TD]

    [TD="colspan: 17"][/TD]


    Group A:
    '115
    [TD="colspan: 3"][/TD]
    Group B:
    '020
    [TD="colspan: 3"][/TD]
    Group C:
    '003
    [TD="colspan: 4"][/TD]

    [TD="colspan: 2"][/TD]
    Engine Speed
    Engine Load
    Boost Pressure
    [TD="colspan: 2"]Boost Pressure[/TD]
    Timing Retardation
    Timing Retardation
    Timing Retardation
    [TD="colspan: 2"]Timing Retardation[/TD]
    Engine Speed
    Mass Air Flow
    Throttle Valve Angle
    Ignition



    TIME
    (G28)

    (specified)
    (actual)
    TIME
    Cylinder 1
    Cylinder 2
    Cylinder 3
    Cylinder 4
    TIME
    (G28)
    [TD="colspan: 2"]Sensor (G70)[/TD]
    [TD="colspan: 2"]Timing Angle[/TD]

    Marker
    STAMP
    /min
    %
    mbar
    mbar
    STAMP
    °KW
    °KW
    °KW
    °KW
    STAMP
    /min
    g/s
    %
    °ATDC



    [TD="align: right"]0.62[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]1640[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]76.7[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]1640[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]1050[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]0.01[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]0.31[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]1560[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]17.78[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]15.3[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]25.5[/TD]



    [TD="align: right"]1.52[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]1920[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]93.2[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]2080[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]1210[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]0.92[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]1.22[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]1840[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]31.94[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]81.6[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]16.5[/TD]



    [TD="align: right"]2.42[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]2240[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]121.8[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]2440[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]1430[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]1.82[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]2.12[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]2120[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]48.64[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]87.8[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]13.5[/TD]



    [TD="align: right"]3.33[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]2640[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]154.9[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]2550[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]1760[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]2.73[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]3.02[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]2520[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]74.67[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]45.1[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]11.3[/TD]



    [TD="align: right"]4.24[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]3120[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]191.7[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]2550[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]2320[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]3.63[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]3.93[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]2960[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]113.56[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]42[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]1.5[/TD]



    [TD="align: right"]5.14[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]3840[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]191.7[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]2550[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]2540[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]4.54[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]4.84[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]3520[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]154.61[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]44.7[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]6[/TD]



    [TD="align: right"]6.05[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]4280[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]191.7[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]2550[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]2460[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]5.44[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]3[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]5.74[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]4120[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]170.89[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]47.8[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]11.3[/TD]



    [TD="align: right"]6.95[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]4840[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]191.7[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]2550[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]2300[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]6.35[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]3[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]6.65[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]4640[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]178.89[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]50.6[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]12[/TD]



    [TD="align: right"]7.86[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]5320[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]185.7[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]2550[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]2180[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]7.25[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]3[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]7.55[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]5160[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]184.36[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]53.3[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]11.3[/TD]



    [TD="align: right"]8.76[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]5800[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]182[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]2550[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]2110[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]8.17[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]1.5[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]8.47[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]5640[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]201.14[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]54.1[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]14.3[/TD]



    [TD="align: right"]9.67[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]6200[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]175.2[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]2550[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]2070[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]9.06[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]9.37[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]6040[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]203.31[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]55.7[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]14.3[/TD]



    [TD="align: right"]10.57[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]6520[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]170.7[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]2480[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]2110[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]9.97[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]3[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]10.27[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]6440[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]214.11[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]55.7[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]15[/TD]

    [/TABLE]
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    looks like an aggressive map.
    whats block 031 show for fueling during all of this
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    LOL... looks like one of those 'lets turn the boost to 11' maps...

    I'd want to see block 031 in there to see what the fuelling is doing but airflow looks ok, minimal timing pull...

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    is the requested boost at 2550 mbar maxed out at that figure?
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    you and I have seen too many of these.... Hopefully this one also has been given some fueling to go with the raised boost.

    logging blocks 112,118,031 will show egt's, ait's, n75 duty cycle, and fueling - Presuming your wideband.... which I think you are,,
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    2550mb is max of the map sensor yes.. so in requested terms its as high as you can directly ask for.. You can of course do more than what you can see... but thats outside of the range of the ecu's map sensor.
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    The map was done at Star Performance in Scotland. I will have to do some more runs but logging 112,118,031 see whats going on. Thanks for all the help and comments. Will post ASAP
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    Had my S3 mapped at same place will need to get some logs and see if there similar to yours.
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    239 bhp max power I make that from the airflow ? Seems a bit low surely when its running 1.5 bar of boost ?

    Especially since a stock 210bhp S3 only runs at about 0.8 bar, I would have expected nearly double the boost to have given more than 30 bhp ?

    Also that boost only hits the requested amount once throughout the run and tails off quite a bit. Is that normal for a remapped car or does it just have a weak actuator ?
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    Is it not 267 bhp. i thought it was air flow divide by 0.8.
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    Actual boost looks about right tbh...

    Its the map request thats confusing the issue... seen a few maps like this... its not the way others tend to do it... its a generic turn boost up to 11 and let it sort itself out... as Bill has said it would be more interesting to see if the fuelling has been sorted to cope...

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    DOH, I was looking at engine load LOL !
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    once roads get a bit quieter will head out tonight and do some logs on mine and upload be good to see if running ok as done by same company just after i got the car.

    i have done both my logs but not sure best way to upload as excel file keeps shifting over any one help me on this please ??

    [TABLE="width: 1348"]

    Friday
    10
    February
    2012
    18:59:23












    8N0 906 018 J

    1.8L R4/5VT 0003
































    Group A:
    '115



    Group B:
    '020



    Group C:
    '003






    RPM
    Load
    Absolute Pres.
    Absolute Pres.

    Idle Stabilization
    Idle Stabilization
    Idle Stabilization
    Idle Stabilization

    RPM
    Mass Flow
    Load
    Ign. Timing


    TIME




    TIME




    TIME





    Marker
    STAMP
    /min
    %
    mbar
    mbar
    STAMP
    CF
    CF
    CF
    CF
    STAMP
    /min
    g/s
    %
    °BTDC


    0.42
    1160
    50.4
    1020
    1010
    0.82
    0
    0
    0
    0
    0.01
    800
    3.89
    2.4
    0


    1.71
    1040
    63.2
    1020
    1040
    2.11
    0
    0
    0
    0
    1.22
    1440
    16.22
    10.2
    7.5


    3.03
    1240
    42.9
    1020
    1040
    3.44
    0
    0
    0
    0
    2.53
    1120
    9.72
    6.7
    5.3


    4.24
    1720
    59.4
    1020
    1050
    4.75
    0
    0
    0
    0
    3.84
    1440
    22.61
    14.5
    23.3


    5.54
    2400
    17.3
    1020
    1160
    5.95
    0
    0
    1.5
    0
    5.15
    2480
    43.44
    26.3
    21


    6.86
    2280
    88.7
    1020
    1360
    7.36
    0
    0
    0
    0
    6.35
    2040
    40.83
    86.3
    15


    8.27
    1880
    97.7
    1810
    1240
    8.75
    0
    0
    1.5
    0
    7.76
    1720
    32.44
    76.9
    13.5


    9.57
    2360
    132.3
    2330
    1530
    9.98
    0
    0
    0
    0
    9.17
    2200
    53.03
    89.4
    12


    10.88
    3080
    191.7
    2430
    2490
    11.28
    0
    0
    0
    3
    10.48
    2840
    107.78
    98.4
    6


    12.1
    3960
    191.7
    2450
    2440
    12.59
    0
    0
    0
    3
    11.68
    3640
    150.89
    100
    6


    13.5
    4880
    191.7
    2440
    2430
    14
    3
    3
    3
    6
    12.99
    4560
    193.11
    99.6
    8.3


    14.91
    5720
    191.7
    2280
    2320
    15.31
    6
    6
    6
    9
    14.4
    5440
    217.78
    100
    8.3


    16.11
    6280
    191.7
    2210
    2190
    16.51
    5.3
    5.3
    5.3
    9
    15.71
    6080
    227.78
    100
    8.3


    17.31
    6680
    179.7
    2180
    2230
    17.73
    5.3
    5.3
    5.3
    8.3
    16.93
    6560
    231.22
    100
    10.5


    18.64
    7000
    149.6
    1590
    2340
    19.13
    0
    0
    0
    0
    18.22
    6960
    228.22
    100
    9.8


    20.03
    6280
    12.8
    1020
    1110
    20.43
    0
    0
    0
    0
    19.63
    6520
    13.33
    9
    9.8


    21.34
    5280
    12
    1020
    1060
    21.74
    0
    0
    0
    0
    20.84
    5640
    13.53
    8.2
    6


    22.54
    4200
    12.8
    1020
    1050
    22.94
    0
    0
    0
    0
    22.14
    4560
    11.03
    7.1
    5.3


    23.85
    2880
    13.5
    1020
    1040
    24.25
    0
    0
    0
    0
    23.44
    3320
    8.53
    5.5
    2.3


    25.07
    1640
    12.8
    1020
    1040
    25.56
    0
    0
    0
    0
    24.65
    2080
    5.39
    3.5
    3


    26.46
    960
    16.5
    1020
    1020
    26.86
    0
    0
    0
    0
    25.96
    1120
    3.22
    2
    16.5


    27.66
    840
    19.5
    1020
    1020
    28.08
    0
    0
    0
    0
    27.28
    840
    3.31
    2
    1.5

    [/TABLE]
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    [TABLE="width: 1024"]

    Friday
    10
    February
    2012
    18:17:57












    8N0 906 018 J

    1.8L R4/5VT 0003
































    Group A:
    '112



    Group B:
    '118



    Group C:
    '031






    Temperature
    Load
    Bin. Bits
    Bin. Bits

    RPM
    Temperature
    Load
    Absolute Pres.

    Lambda Factor
    Lambda Factor
    Bin. Bits
    Bin. Bits


    TIME




    TIME




    TIME





    Marker
    STAMP
    °C
    %


    STAMP
    /min
    °C
    %
    mbar
    STAMP






    0.4
    525
    0


    0.9
    800
    21
    0
    1010
    0.01
    1.023
    0.992




    1.71
    520
    0


    2.21
    1160
    21
    94.5
    1050
    1.31
    0.899
    0.992




    3.03
    530
    0


    3.43
    2560
    18
    0
    1320
    2.63
    0.953
    0.992




    4.32
    560
    0


    4.74
    2000
    18
    94.5
    1220
    3.82
    0.992
    0.992




    5.54
    590
    0


    5.94
    2480
    16
    0
    1250
    5.14
    1.008
    0.992




    6.75
    630
    0


    7.15
    2000
    17
    94.5
    1280
    6.34
    0.984
    0.984




    8.05
    650
    0


    8.45
    2520
    18
    94.5
    1670
    7.55
    0.961
    0.953




    9.36
    680
    0


    9.76
    3280
    18
    74.1
    2140
    8.86
    0.953
    0.953




    10.67
    750
    0


    11.07
    4160
    18
    77.3
    2240
    10.27
    0.938
    0.953




    11.87
    795
    0


    12.27
    4960
    20
    79.6
    2290
    11.47
    0.953
    0.953




    13.18
    855
    0


    13.58
    5760
    22
    80.4
    2210
    12.69
    0.93
    0.953




    14.4
    905
    0


    14.8
    6320
    24
    78
    2110
    13.98
    0.938
    0.953




    15.69
    945
    5.1


    16.11
    6840
    27
    79.2
    2120
    15.29
    0.953
    0.953




    17.02
    975
    16.1


    17.5
    7040
    26
    0
    1390
    16.61
    0.821
    0.821




    18.32
    970
    0


    18.72
    6560
    24
    0
    1090
    17.9
    0.914
    0.961




    19.61
    935
    0


    20.01
    5800
    25
    0
    1060
    19.12
    1.991
    1.047




    20.93
    855
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    Hummm... lots of timing pull... dangerously so... fuelling looks std so basically all the boost and no fuel :)

    975 deg EGT's... ouchies...

    Your fuelling needs sorting mate...

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    best to go back to star performance and ask for fuel to be sorted out then tuffy ?

    thought bhp seemed a bit high for mods as only got a remap and badger 5 with jetex and cat back milltek
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    The lean fuel at the top end will give more power but at the expense of the engine running dangerously hot... EGT protection seems to be kicking in (920deg EGT's) but it could be too little too late... 975deg is pretty hot...

    You can try and ask... if thats the fuelling then its not right... should be 0.85 ish on boost... (12.5 AFR)

    You can see at the end of the run where the EGT's hit 975deg that the lambda drops to 0.82... thats the EGT protection kicking in... ideally the fuelling will prevent EGT protection from being needed under normal conditions as it just pours fuel in which is not the best...

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    once again thanks for your advice. I have sent Jim a email with a link to this post so he can see my logs so will await his responce and see what he would advise for me. was looking to be getting my jbs manifold, pipewerx downpipe and sports cat fitted soon so might try and tie in all in if i need to head back up that way :D.

    I'm not to tech minded about all the logs and way it runs so any feedback or help would be great

    sorry hope i'm not hijacking the thread as well

    james
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    In the first log you post, look at the throttle plate angle... The boost PID maps need retuning. It is running too lean, and would make more power if richer and cooler. Also, it could also run more timing, leading to even more power and cooler running.

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    Have to agree with tuffty, it looks like the tuner has just increased the boost map ldrxn to the magical 190, which seems to be a popular max without actually adjusting fuelling. In theory the lambda maps control the fueling but once you go past the EGT protection setting it'll do extra fuel in to combat the high egts. Basically you're relying on the safety features of the ecu to prevent high egts and lean conditions. As said before a properly tuned map shouldn't hit these limits/protection features. The cf's also show that the ting maps are also either stock or not correct.
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    The LOAD in block 115 isn't the Load at ldrxn... Of that I'm sure.
    The function that prevents high EGT it's the BTS, the map it's KFLBTS, some people tune fuel with that function, setting TABGBTS to a lower value.
    I think that the car runs to lean all the time... try to set the Lambda to +-.85, and EGT will drop, timing pull will drop and you'll have a more stable timing and higher...
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    Guys whats the equation/method of turning the lambda values to AFR??
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    [Feb 11, 2012]
    Lambda = 1 = AFR = 14.7
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    I'm afraid its exactly the sort of map I was expecting to see (all too common)

    No adjustments have been made to factory fueling whilst adding in a shed load of boost.... which promotes exceedingly high egt's which promotes high timing pull.... Anything over 920'c is protection mode fueling, and anything over 6CF is regarded as too much timing pull also...

    Given this is only a 3rd gear run, imagine what the temps and timing pull are in longer sustained runs in 4,5,6th gears!!!!!

    Unsafe map imho as it stands.
    Check with Star and ask if they think the logs look ok, normal to them.
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    The high flow TIP explains the nice high airflows... Add some fuel to the party and it will be better for it. 0.9x lambda's under boost is not good at all.
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    good spot.. very odd throttle angle... when it should be 100%.. I had'nt scrolled that far across.
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    I had one of these ****ty maps lads as bill and tuffty nose change it asap my turbo went wich made me go hybrid.

    At the time I did not have a job do I was f.....cked but don't do what I did and leave it as long as possible boost boost boost they just take ya money and f....ck ya car lads I'm on standered map now and still running same as bhp as I was with the map lol.
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    Just looked at your location - Barrow. I had another car come to me from Barrow that had had a mysterious remap, displaying very similar symptoms. See here: AudiSRS.com :: 1 HAPPY CHAPPY AFTER REMAP AND EXTRAS

    Mass air flow DOES NOT EQUAL POWER, especially on a turbo charged car. It is purely a function of boost and hardware spec. It can be used to see the difference a hardware mod will make, eg bigger inter cooler, turbo, head work. It can't be used to compare one map to another due to timing and fuelling having such dramatic effects. 8 degrees timing at the top end is very poor, no way do you have 260+ I'm afriad :(

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    How can we be guaranteed a safe map then ?

    Some of the companies that are selling these generic maps at affordable prices are supposedly reputable tuners .
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    go on reputation and advise from others who have been somewhere and get +ve feedback.
    i would'nt choose by price, and would look for those who can validate the maps on a dyno, showing you actual before and after with logs etc....

    my 2p
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    Afternoon Chaps

    Im not going to get chance to do the logs this weekend but i will at some point next week. By the looks of things its gonna be exactly the same as james'. I may have to arrange a trip to come and see one of you guys, not brilliant timing because in need of a new clutch also. Better get the overtime in.

    Again thanks for the input
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    Dimsport driver packs missing LAMFA and KFLBTS...
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    That would do it... :)

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    Use LAMFA to set the AFR in WOT, and set KFLBTS to preserve the engine in case of high EGT

    I can post 2d images of LAMFA and BTS
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    I was pointing out most on the non specailist tuners will use editing SW which offers a basic map packs just to wack up the load, timing and boost limiters on ME * ecu which are lambda 1* based. If they are lucky they will tune a map with KFLBTS which is not set to 1 like 0261204899 if they are unlucky they will tune 0261207952 which has KFLBTS set to 1 across the board.

    But saying that even Damos, A2l files and supermap pack get the LAMFA X-axis wrong converting it into 16bitLo/Hi not Hi/Lowhich can confuse some tuners.


    IMO tuning the fuel via LMFA gets the best results.
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    Excuse my ignorance but do some tuners really just turn up the load timing and boost limiters and leave lamfa stock? Surely it's basic good practice when you run increased loads and timings to enrich the fuel to 12-12.5 at wot and the only way this'll happen is by adjusting lamfa or kflbts. I know some prefer kflbts And the fact it's triggered by EGT to enrichen, but surely leaving it stock is potentially dangerous to the engine?
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    yes they do

    see lots of them...

    usually from mobile chaps selling cheap maps.. BUT not exclusively.. Also seen others who have a "name" also install such maps...
    go figure....

    westies was one of em... lean as you like map... made reasonable power, but stock fueling and egt's were mental... which had cracked most things manifold/turbo wise..
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    Nick, can LAMFA be used to tune fuel in narrowband ECU's???
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    Some tuners set the activation temperature of BTS to 200ºC (originally +- 850) and use KFLBTS to tune fuel... KFLBTS it's super rich the map must be edited if the idea it's to set fuel with this.
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    I find this astounding that a tuner up here that is supposedly known as "reputable" and one which someone on this board was recently trying to arrange a group buy on remaps with, is pumping out maps like this on peoples cars :-(

    I was actually tempted to have them remap my car even though years back when I had my Mk2 Golf I had a bad experience with this company whereby it did make me wonder how good they actually were.

    On here this same company have had some very good feedback and they have been recommended to people quite a few times. They are also highly spoken of on ScottishVag.

    This needs to be stopped as its only a matter of time before someone pays good money for a remap and ends up with a blown engine.

    Whats even worse is that this tuner does have a rolling road and could easily check these maps on a car by car basis but clearly he either is not doing so or he doesnt know what he is doing, both of which are very concerning !

    Well I know I will deffo not be going there now for a remap. I think I will wait longer until I can afford a trip down to Badger 5 as he seems to be one of the only people that genuinley has a clue what there doing !
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