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3l TDI Quattro estate - any advice

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    Father is chopping in the 2l version for the 3l because you can only get an auto with quattro in the 3l guise.

    From a quick overview few questions;

    How much for a low miler (20's), 2006 sline with everything? Price is advertised, just wondering how low we can punch them down.

    Problems? Timing chain? Oil pump issues?

    Map for better economy, what can we expect standard/mapped?

    Many thnaks for any info gents!

    JD
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    I can't see 2.0tdi Quattro Auto. I can see the petrol in Quattro and Auto

    You can get 2.0tdi Multitronics
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    oh I see the OP is after a 2.0tdi q auto... I read it as after a manual tdiq
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    Hi guys, sorry, not made myself clear. Dad is after a diseasel, with quattro and the auto 'box. Which means he has to get the 3l. He has the 2l auto at the moment, but it doesn't have quattro and one of his new businesses is in Yorkshire, making the R8 a better suited vehicle in winter, due to having quattro!!!
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    And just realised I typed 2l at the end of the first sentence, not 3l - doh! My bad!
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    Hi Mate, I understand the title of your thread but the rest doesn't make much sense. What is it you want to know???
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    Ditto mate, JD if you are asking should your dad get a 3.0 TDI then take it from me and rowdy, you should mate!!

    Although personally i went for a manual 3.0 tdi as i cant stand automatics!

    Also yes you should get them remapped for an increase of between 30-50bhp and also economy.
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    Sorry guys. Basically, dad had the 2l TDI Auto avant. He wants quattro, but the only way to get quattro, diesel and auto all together in the A4 avant, is to go with the 3l.

    Question really was are there any specific issues to look out for and what sort of MPG will he expect? He's going to pick up the "new" one today from Essex, which is quite a drive being based in the NW! He was muttering about getting a remap, as the performance is not an issue, but would like to claw back some of the MPG loss over a 2l car.
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    You are buying a 3.0 V6 so economy will be a little worse than a 2.0 TDI.

    But you could easily have it remppaed purely for economy purposes and easily compete with smaller engines, depending on how you drive it.

    Heres an example of my own car for you to help.

    I have had my 3,0 v6 remapped and it has approx 275bhp with almost 600nm of torque as i went for pure performance and not economy.

    On a recent long trip of 250 miles, at an average of 70-85 mph i was getting 67mpg using cruise control and calm driving at 2am, i used half a tank of fuel.

    Day to day i get 35- 45mpg, i average 350-450 miles per full 60 litre tank.

    You would get even more than this if you go just for economy, the standard car will probably be even more economical.
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    Nicely done Dazmo. I've seen 50 on the DIS on a trip to London at 2am, nothing more.

    Thanks for the reply, I take it there is not much more to go wrong over the 2l model? The 2l had just run out of warranty, but this comes with a year from the dealer - although I'm willing to bet it's not worth the paper it's written on!
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    If it's an Audi approved used car the warrenty is bob on. I've never had a single issue claim on an approved used warrenty.
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    Hi,

    Was 67mpg actual reading or avg reading on the DIS?
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    I've never had any issues with Audi dealer warranty.
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    Realistically, you are going to be looking at 30ish to the gallon, which when I came from a 1.9 tdi golf hit me pretty hard, but you get used to it.
    Like you say, the same sort of things can go wrong as the 2L. I've not read or experienced any specific issues. One advantage is the engine is chain driven, so no can belt to change. Service cost can be high, main dealer quotes came in at around £400 and up. Personally I do all the servicing myself which is cheap enough. I'm sure he will enjoy it.

    Dazmo, I'm very very sceptical at 67mpg in a 3L V6 4wd!!! I've never managed more than 37 - 40 on a long steady run. I'd be impressed with that from even the most economical car.
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    As Rowdyboy says, 37-40 on the run is more realistic. I know my 2.5tdi is old technology - I get around 35 on short runs from Melton to Leicester.

    I moved from a 1.9 tdi to 2.5tdi. Yes the 2.5 drinks a bit more diesel but its worth it. I am spending around £30 extra each month.

    As with service - take it to a Audi specialist or do it yourself.
    With my old car I had it serviced by Audi, but any extra work was done by my mechanic friend.
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    If you're thinking of a remap on the tiptronic be careful. ZF only specced that box up to 450Nm which is stock torque on both the earlier 2005 3.0TDI and later TDV model even though the latter got a BHP increase. I can't remeber the gearbox code now (think it ends with 19) but if you look hard enough there's a lot of info on how whether they'll take the increased torque. Much like the RS6, which seems to fair better with a gearbox map too. You're obviously increasing costs there though, but I'd rather that than a gearbox failure with an unlikely warranty payout if the cause is too much torque, and I would suspect they would check the car for a map in that situation.

    I'd have a chat with MRC in Banbury and they should be able to give you a load of advice. Remeber that the tiptronic will be worse on MPG than the manual, although MRC can change the shift patterns for better economy etc. I very nearly bought one of these myself, great cars and engine. I'd want the paddles though too. Hope your dad enjoys the car mate. :icon_thumright:
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    Thanks for all the replies guys, really helpful as usual on this forum!

    Dad would only be looking at a remap if the soul outcome was better MPG. The Avant is the motorway/lakes/work car. The R8 is the play thing :)

    Will take the advice above Marc, and all information on board provided by the rest!

    Cheers,

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    He has an R8?
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    +1???
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    He does indeed :)

    Thanks for all the replies above. The car is superb. A little noisier on idle, but that's to be expected. Mpg wise, so far so good and the quattro has come in VERY useful already while trying to get out of a muddy field!!




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    Hi Dazmo.

    Interested in remapping my 2006 3.0 TDi TDV and looking at your figures that's where I'd hoped to get to. How/where did you get the remap done? And roughly how much? Spoke to my insurers (Direct Line) and they won't touch me with a remap, so who do you insure with?

    Sorry for the questions!
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