2.0T Oil issue engine repair cost

Crazyfool said:
I'm starting to lean towards the E350 AMG estate. I have two reservations though: I'm not really fussed on leather interior, particularly having child seats and it's rear wheel drive.
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It's also much (much) bigger than an A4, and for that price you can get an S4 Avant - no oil issues there :) you'll get your quattro, much faster car, better fuel and cheaper tax to boot.

FYI - got full leather supersports in mine and 2 kiddy seats. It's brilliant for those wipe clean moments and some car seat mats/cover to prevent any denting so all round a winner.
 
Does anyone know what the limits are for the cars failing the oil consumption test. My car is booked in on Tuesday and Audi are going to charge me for the privilege of telling me if it has failed or not. I don't want to pay if the car passes!

From my reckoning I am getting 600 miles to 1 litre of oil.
 
ianv5 said:
Does anyone know what the limits are for the cars failing the oil consumption test. My car is booked in on Tuesday and Audi are going to charge me for the privilege of telling me if it has failed or not. I don't want to pay if the car passes!

From my reckoning I am getting 600 miles to 1 litre of oil.
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I got just over 300 miles on 1l of oil, but the book says 1000km per 1/2l of oil

opelfruit said:
It's also much (much) bigger than an A4, and for that price you can get an S4 Avant - no oil issues there :) you'll get your quattro, much faster car, better fuel and cheaper tax to boot.

FYI - got full leather supersports in mine and 2 kiddy seats. It's brilliant for those wipe clean moments and some car seat mats/cover to prevent any denting so all round a winner.
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Unfortunately the S4 isn't big enough...and it's an Audi! I parked next to an S5 this morning at the garage and the guy was giving the rep hell because of some sort of issue!

The wipe-ability of leather is good, but I don't like how it stretches and marks with time.
 
bah, mines gone all of a sudden.

Been absolutely fine since October. Put one little dribble in.

Last few weeks I've put loads in, thought I better monitor this, so I zero'd the clock on the last 1 ltr top up. 377 miles later, please add 1 ltr of oil.

Damn it, its come on so fast.

Now what do I do, trade in, repair......I dunno. Could be a good reason to buy a S4 lol.
 
That's running at about the same rate as my engine. I wondered whether to sell mine on, but I still have about 6 months to pay Audi finance. I also have the added issue of a massive dent in the side of my car and a deep scratch on the front wing caused by some people who can't park to save their lives.

I refuse to get the bodywork repaired until I sell it because I know it's going to happen again! So I've gone down the engine rebuild route...hopefully fixed this week.
 
I'm curious to know if you have a FSH with your Audi or not ? I assume they'd be far more accommodating out of warranty if you did..

My GFs 2008 A4 2.0TFSI which i sourced for her :-/ is showing signs of consuming a little too much oil so i have started an oil consumption test to confirm it but as i dont drive it, have only just picked up on the issue when i got the call from her asking ''what the light on the dash means..'' I am a mechanic but am not too keen rebuilding engines in my own time! The PCV upgrade will supposedly only vent crank case gases when a higher crank pressure is reached, thus reducing 'oil vapour escape' at lower RPMs when piston blowby is less, but im not convinced it will solve the problem (just a hunch) although it will be my next step if the oil consumption test bothers me.
 
my oil level on the meter has dropped a little after 700miles on the car....when u guys say its used 1 litre of oil etc etc...how do you check how much oil has it used apart from physically topping the oil up??
 
Miss Cat said:
my oil level on the meter has dropped a little after 700miles on the car....when u guys say its used 1 litre of oil etc etc...how do you check how much oil has it used apart from physically topping the oil up??
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I'd reckon, with time, you could end up being able to gauge what a known "drop" on the meter equates to in oil needed to return the gauge to FULL. My money would be on getting a suitable dip stick, and use that to keep control of top-ups. I've got a 3.0TFSI in an S4 and that is what I've done as I don't think waiting 20+minutes to get a reading is a good use of time or risk of engine damage. These clever oil meter things will have been envisaged for using in cars that used little if any engine oil between services, the 2.0TFSI engines are proving not to fit that description so owners need to take alternative action!
 
Miss Cat said:
my oil level on the meter has dropped a little after 700miles on the car....when u guys say its used 1 litre of oil etc etc...how do you check how much oil has it used apart from physically topping the oil up??
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The manual should advise the difference between the marks on the dipstick - every engine is different and off the top of my head cant remember what the 2.0TFSI is.. Check when cold and all the oil is back in the sump from the same position ie on your flat driveway ideally and note the mileage down between the two readings. 'A little' after 700miles can be normal depending on driving conditions, so don't be alarmed unnecessarily yet :)

If you have access to VCDS you can measure the oil level from the sensor (mm units confusingly !!) in the sump which also provides the oil temperature (not on the dashboard) and will give the dash oil low warning indication to.. Oil pressure is another sensor.
 
so the test they do changing the breather ?
is it the PCV they change ?
 
This is what it looks like and the description in the advert also explains (kit from a US aftermarket supplier) although i cannot comment whether one ive used to example looks is anything like Audis upgraded unit so merely for visual reference. Audi also recommended in their technical service bulletin that the crank shaft seal be replaced (due to increased crank case pressures) but i wouldn't worry about - its probably over kill to cover themselves..

ECS News Audi A3 AP 2.0TFSI Emissions Service Kit - 06F129101NKT - Emissions Service Kit - ES#2592960
 
yeah PCV

strange theres non in the country
 
There are, Audi UK sell the upgraded PCV unit. ECS is a huge US VAG specialist and much of there stuff is OEM Audi. I dont think the upgraded PCV from Audi UK wld be more than a 100 quid or so and an easy fit to ..
 
Crazyfool said:
That's running at about the same rate as my engine. I wondered whether to sell mine on, but I still have about 6 months to pay Audi finance. I also have the added issue of a massive dent in the side of my car and a deep scratch on the front wing caused by some people who can't park to save their lives.

I refuse to get the bodywork repaired until I sell it because I know it's going to happen again! So I've gone down the engine rebuild route...hopefully fixed this week.
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Would be good just to clarify your position re servicing or was it a case of you hammering on their door hard to get them to show this goodwill by providing a fix FOC as am staggered they would pay for a 2009 car out of warranty unless you had it serviced with them all its life ?
 
brasiliangringo said:
The manual should advise the difference between the marks on the dipstick - every engine is different and off the top of my head cant remember what the 2.0TFSI is.. Check when cold and all the oil is back in the sump from the same position ie on your flat driveway ideally and note the mileage down between the two readings. 'A little' after 700miles can be normal depending on driving conditions, so don't be alarmed unnecessarily yet :)...
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The engine needs to be up to temperature and ideally to get a good understanding of the situation, you should make sure the car is full of oil, then run it until the oil level message appears. This will give you a more accurate consumption test reading.

brasiliangringo said:
Would be good just to clarify your position re servicing or was it a case of you hammering on their door hard to get them to show this goodwill by providing a fix FOC as am staggered they would pay for a 2009 car out of warranty unless you had it serviced with them all its life ?
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I bought my 02 plate A4 from Cardiff Audi when it was six months old and had it serviced by the same garage until I sold it. I then bought my 59 plate A4 from Bexley Audi when it was 3 months old, but I take it to Reading Audi to be serviced and maintained.

I took a loan out from a bank to buy my 02 plate, but Audi matched the bank deal on my 59 plate, so I took on their finance package.

This has helped my cause, but at the end of the day it will be up to the garage to make the first good will gesture, which is normally taking off the cost of the parts.

You or the garage will then have to negotiate with Audi UK to get any further reduction. Going mental on the phone to Audi UK will probably help to reduce the cost further.

My wife's convertible I bought privately and it's serviced and maintained by a friend, but I don't think they have factored this in too much.

Unfortunately Reading Audi have always been really good to me. But the only thing that will make me buy another new Audi is either a real rash decision, followed by pain http://www.audi-sport.net/vb/showthread.php?t=219279 or the experience I have in the next car is worse than this one.

Both my newer Audi's have been money pits, particularly this one!
 
Reading through all this again makes me just wanna chop it in. Only thing is I will loose £3,500 in 8 months of ownership...
 
Rodders. said:
Reading through all this again makes me just wanna chop it in. Only thing is I will loose £3,500 in 8 months of ownership...
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All it comes down to is using more oil, its not the end of the world, spend less on more oil than loosing 3500. The oil consumption probably wont get too much worse.. I have it on my S8 which is getting on now. It leaks from the rocker covers, but i cant be bothered to change them atm as its manageable and dont have the time ok so i use a bit more oil but not hurting it..
 
I thought it can damage the cat convertor?
 
If you consider how much crap comes out of an 'oil burning' TDI (just watch one accelerate from behind although its not quite the same as a petrol using oil but essentially in a TDI its unburnt fuel (too rich a mix, so derv you are seeing partially burnt under WOT (foot to the floor) so not too far different to oil in a petrol exhausting through) then id say whilst the theory says oil clogs them, the practice is you need a lot to spill in and clog the monolith, more than 1ltr in 700miles imo, so i wouldn't get overly worried. Its more a case of to what extent and in this situation i dont think much damage will be caused.
 
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My car eventually suffered from misfiring. It broke down a couple of weeks ago and had to be relayed home. Audi knew what the problem was straight away. Essentially the spark plugs got gunked up in oil residue, so they replaced them, but the following day the car was still not performing properly. After a blast down the motorway, it seem to sort itself out.

You have two options. Either take the risk like I did and negotiate or take out a full warranty, then take the car to the garage a couple of months later. At most the warranty will be £1200, but there are cheaper options.
 
I guess I shoulda kept the warranty going that came with that car, but it only covered mechanical failures.

I'm sure they would argue this isn't a failure.
 
If you are going to take out the warranty, make sure you do it before you book the car in for a test.

The consumption test itself will confirm if the car fails.

Audi UK aren't going to admit liability for the poor manufacture of the engine because it will cause a backlash, particularly for those who have paid for the repairs. This whole situation must be turning into a major problem for them.
 
But the warranty I had said it has to be an ACTUAL mechanical failure. Worn rings is just degradation, or I'm sure they would argue that.

I just took my spark plugs out, bone dry and perfect condition. Not a bit of oil on any of them. I really would have expected to see some. How weird. Cant see any leaks anywhere around the engine.

Hmmmmm.......
 
There is no leak, the oil is getting past the pistons and burning out of the exhaust.
You'll need 'revised' pistons and seals for the fix.
 
Rodders. said:
But the warranty I had said it has to be an ACTUAL mechanical failure. Worn rings is just degradation, or I'm sure they would argue that.

I just took my spark plugs out, bone dry and perfect condition. Not a bit of oil on any of them. I really would have expected to see some. How weird. Cant see any leaks anywhere around the engine.

Hmmmmm.......
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When my wife took my took the car to Cardiff Audi to organise the test, she told them that we weren't happy and this was a common manufacturing issue. The mechanic gave her some bu££&&:t story about the garage repairing more diesels than petrols. He then added that if the car was under warranty, they wouldn't question repairing it for free.
 
Phoned the garage today because I was expecting a call last Friday, but they've said the car needs more parts which are currently on order.

I'm wondering whether there was more of a problem than originally thought.
 
Crazyfool said:
Phoned the garage today because I was expecting a call last Friday, but they've said the car needs more parts which are currently on order.

I'm wondering whether there was more of a problem than originally thought.
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It sounds to me like they are being diligent and making sure that everything is perfect for you. I'm almost at the end of my consumption test, 580 mile so far. The oil has dropped quite a bit on the dipstick, but the MMI is showing nearly full. I do hope they didn't put in extra to frig the results. I know this is Audi but I also know that they really don't want to admit that there is a problem.
 
jwash42 said:
It sounds to me like they are being diligent and making sure that everything is perfect for you. I'm almost at the end of my consumption test, 580 mile so far. The oil has dropped quite a bit on the dipstick, but the MMI is showing nearly full. I do hope they didn't put in extra to frig the results. I know this is Audi but I also know that they really don't want to admit that there is a problem.
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They shouldn't do. What I found with mine was the MMI gave me a full reading for quite a while, then It dropped slightly after driving a 100 mile round trip, then the following day it dropped like a rock! Your dipstick should be more accurate.
 
Crazyfool said:
They shouldn't do. What I found with mine was the MMI gave me a full reading for quite a while, then It dropped slightly after driving a 100 mile round trip, then the following day it dropped like a rock! Your dipstick should be more accurate.
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Just had a phone call from my Audi dealer. It has failed the second test, and needs new piston rings con rods etc. Audi UK will cover the parts but the labour charge is £114 x 22, £2508. I'm going to ring Audi UK later to start the battle to drive that figure down. Any advice?
 
jwash42 said:
Just had a phone call from my Audi dealer. It has failed the second test, and needs new piston rings con rods etc. Audi UK will cover the parts but the labour charge is £114 x 22, £2508. I'm going to ring Audi UK later to start the battle to drive that figure down. Any advice?
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This is probably the biggest thread on the issue. Engine rebuild required on a B8 @68k http://www.audi-sport.net/vb/showthread.php?t=180673

Although they won't respond in writing, send Audi UK a letter explaining the situation. I wrote letters confirming every conversation I had with them for record purposes.

They'll probably phone you and play the entire situation down saying the engines never been recalled and because you don't have an extended warranty, you'll have to pay.

Explain to them that they are aware this is a manufacturing issue on specific engines, including yours and there are similar stories posted all over the internet.

I'm picking my car up from its repair tomorrow, so I'll find how much I'll be contributing then. If I do have to contribute, they will be receiving further hell!

I've posted this somewhere else, but can't find it at the moment. http://www.coldscoop.com/audi-in-trouble-for-engines-that-burn-too-much-oil/
 
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Thanks for that Crazyfool. I hope your bill is kept to a minimum. I spoke to them and it is being referred to a manager who will call back by Monday. The cheeky sod said 'don't you think free parts is reasonable' well no I don't. He then suggest that maybe I should pay for the labour so the car is fixed and then try claiming the money back. Surely that's not in their script!
 
jwash42 said:
Thanks for that Crazyfool. I hope your bill is kept to a minimum. I spoke to them and it is being referred to a manager who will call back by Monday. The cheeky sod said 'don't you think free parts is reasonable' well no I don't. He then suggest that maybe I should pay for the labour so the car is fixed and then try claiming the money back. Surely that's not in their script!
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If you pay now it's going to make it more difficult to negotiate. Leave it a couple of days and say you've spoken to other local dealers and they've advised it's a common issue.
 
This is an interesting piece of paper to put in my service history manual! Next stage is another call to Audi UK, but for now, at least I've got my car back.
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At that price I wouldn't bother, seen as you've already paid it, little chance of getting it back IMO.
 
audi upgrades
Ah service vouchers ;)

Did you get a courtesy car when yours were getting rebuilt?
 
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