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Discussion in 'Audi S4/A4/A4 Cab (B8 Chassis)' started by ScottishS3, Aug 12, 2012.

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    [Aug 12, 2012]
    Hi all!

    Well I will soon need to replace my two front tyres, so I have the dilema, do I replace them with another set of Michelin Pilot Sport 3's (which I can get for the bargain price of £140 EACH!!!!) or replace my standard 18" S line alloys and get some new ones?

    The laquer has started to peel of two of the alloys and I have been quoted £75 each wheel to get refurbished and I would need to get all 4 done as they can't match the paint colour. (and if I did get them done I thought about getting them done Gunmetal Grey!)

    I quite like the Dyanmik Alloys but can't justify the £890-1000+ price WITHOUT tyres.
    I also like the Black Edition Alloys (in dark Grey & Silver). These are £380 without tyres as are BBS CH (both 18")
    Or 19" at £430 (but then I would need to also cover the cost of 4 new 19" tyres and theres isn't any tyre and wheel deals about! - unless anybody else knows any???).

    Thing is, the standard 18" wheels look big anyway, and I doubt you would notice the difference in size with 19. Or am I wrong?
    19" tyres are each on average £100 more expensive than 18".

    Also, how much are S line alloys worth? They have no scuffs etc and are spotless on the inside of the rims, but obviously 2 with the laquer peeling.

    At the minute, I'm more inclined to just get 2 tyres and eventually replace the alloys with another set of 18! and just swap the tyres over.

    What do people think?
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    [Aug 12, 2012]
    I think 19"s suit an A4 better than 18"s.

    I have been looking at 20"s lately as the do look great under the arch in my opinion.

    BBS 861's are a factory rim too. Don't forget about A5 and A6 rims too.
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    Most people tend to think of the exterior aesthetics of what the wheels look like which is fair, but only gives you part of the story.

    I changed from 18" S3 rotor wheels to 19" RS3 rotors and there have been a few negative side effects when you look beyond the wheels themselves.

    1) They have far less bite for turning in snowy conditions in winter
    2) The reduction in tyre walls means a reduction in cushioning, and I've got rattles in the cabin now that I never had on 18's which can drive you nuts
    3) The ride quality can be compromised, and car can feel like it's skittish over rough surface and tramline over uneven ones
    4) They are MUCH easier to kerb as you have less tyre face and tyre protectors as less effective
    5) They are expensive, and despite the rumours that once these sizes became 'mass market' the price would go down, they never really have
    6) You're carrying more unsprung weight which detracts from handling, and if your car is understeery it can exacerbate this at the limit of grip

    There are benefits (outright grip in the dry / looks), but it's not a clear cut decision and one that should be carefully considered before jumping in with both feet. Get a good refurb on your current rims if you don't fancy it.
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    [Aug 12, 2012]
    Fully agree with above.

    Going big in the wheel department has big down falls as pointed out, handling, ride and expense.

    I would look at what your needs are first and the look at your options or see if someone has some 19"'s you could try for a few miles and see how they are on your car.

    I have a friend with an Astra VXR. Its has 19"s on. Vauxhall state that the car handles best and is quicker with 18"s. It took him all of 30 sec's to find some 18"'s for track day use and 1/4 mile trashes at Santa Pod.
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    Very true ref: performance. My 19" RS3's are OEM Audi. Audi market them as hollowform lightweight alloys. Yet each wheel with tyre was about 24kgs from memory. It's not light and a good few kilos heavier than 18's, so when you work out what stresses that puts on bearings and the extra effort required to spin the bloaters up the 18's start to look quite attractive!
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    [Aug 12, 2012]
    That is a very helpful post!!! Thanks! :thumbsup:
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    [Aug 13, 2012]
    18" or 19" then????.....................hmmmmm:think:

    I don't suppose anybody has heard about any Black Edition alloy and wheel deals by any chance???
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    [Aug 13, 2012]
    Can't beat a B8 with a 20".

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    [Aug 14, 2012]
    Waaay too big!
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    Reference the refurb buddy.....try the Audi garage. They're quoting wheel refurb for £49.95 per wheel. I dunno if that deal is up by you but its being done by the old Lomond group branches which have just been bought over.
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    [Aug 15, 2012]
    WHo quoted you that for the repair? Have you tried Totaltrax in Lossie? 19" every time by the way!!!
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    [Aug 15, 2012]
    As i said 19"s but i have 17's with winter tyres in the garage which i fit arounf november and take off in March.
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    [Aug 15, 2012]
    For me, its all about how it looks. Going fast dosen't interest me, I cruise around. We get a day or 2 of snow so why choose 18 over 19 just because of that. I'm not a fan of different non Audi wheels as I think it makes it look tacky like an Escort turbo with TSW's on in the 90's. My next motor will have the 19" grey rotors on, I like them and they set the car off.

    Have a look on ebay for genuine audi parts and quite a few Audi dealers have deals on wheels and you know its genuine and not some fool selling a Britool spanner but writing "NOT SNAP ON" on the ad so when you search snap on it comes up with ****.
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    [Aug 15, 2012]
    Winter tyres are not all about snow. Anythingbelow 7 deg C and your normal tyres perform less and less as they should. Cold, wet, slippy, icy surfaces are what winter tyres excel in. And the difference in snow is astounding. I had them on my 335d which is renouned for being sh**e in snow and drove the 64 miles to ABerdeen through that bad winter a couple of years back on a weekly basis with no issues whatso ever even when others were struggling.

    All my own opinion but having worked for 5 years in Norway is ee the benefit in crappy weather not just snow. ANy sorry to go off topic
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    [Aug 15, 2012]
    18"s are way to small :laugh:
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    I defo want Audi Wheels. I like the Black Edition Rotors in Grey and the Dynamic ones (but they are way too expensive!) I've looked all over the net and ebay and can't find any deals anywhere!Riggsuzuki: We need to meet up soon, so I can compare the sizes as I need to order ASAP! lol
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    Always wary when blokes ask to meet up in car parks to compare sizes :friends:

    But yes mate have to get a quick meet at the weekend. Will give you a text on Saturday at some point. Gotta clean the white beast 1st.
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    [Aug 15, 2012]
    Im about to change my 18" s-line wheels to 19" wheels, same style as the Rs3 rotors, with an offset of (et43), I'm sticking with oem size tyres, 255/35/19 which should give a similar ride to the 245/40/18's. I think the 18" wheels look a bit too small on the A4.

    So my 5 arm s-line wheels will need to be sold to offset the expense of the new ones. Going for Goodyear eagle F1 assymetric 2's out of interest.
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    [Aug 15, 2012]
    19" RS3 Rotors would suit your car well :)
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    Where are you getting yours from? I can't seem to find any, without looking for hours on ebay that is!
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    [Aug 15, 2012]
    I really fancy the Black Edition Rotors in Gunmetal. Just don't know if you would really notice the difference in size between 18" ones and 19" ?????!!!!
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    [Aug 16, 2012]
    Bigger is better, if they're pumped properly you won't feel much difference and anyone looking will have a trouser tent.
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    [Aug 16, 2012]
    Personally I'd say that I can see the difference because the 18" rotors look sort of stumpy compared to the 19" versions. 19's definitely look better for rotors!
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    [Aug 16, 2012]
    Its all about size------- Bigger the better or so i am told!!! Its a myth that size doesnt matter according to my missus...........

    :blahblah1:
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    [Aug 16, 2012]
    I think I didn't make it clear, I was refering to Warren S3's comment ""1) They have far less bite for turning in snowy conditions in winter""

    I fully agree and am aware of what you say about winter tyres.
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