AMD Stage 2 TDI - Completed

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I dropped my car off at AMD this morning at 8.30 for a Stage 2 remap, which consisted of a Miltek Turbo back exhaust, De-cat, New panel filter and remap. They took the keys and off it went to the land of AMD. I went and did a bit of shopping, had a bit of lunch and returned at 2 to see my car just going on it's last run up the road with a laptop attached.

The service was excellent, very informative and very good honest people to deal with.

So as you can see on the Dyno graph, pre-remap my A3 2.0 TDI put out 165 bhp @ 3850 rpm and 264 lbft @ 2650. Post-remap 206 bhp @ 3450 and 328 lbft @ 2690.

I did not expect to see these kind of figures, I knew the Audi felt like it had more than 140 bhp, but not that much more, maybe the good 100 mile thrash on the way there and Shell V-power did the trick or maybe it is just a bit of dyno lottery.

But then after seeing the figures, I looked at the curves, the post-remap curve peaks far to early, especially as mine is a DSG car, so when you use kick-down it's rev zone is actually above and out of peak power! this was noticeable on the drive home and had me resorting to the paddles to change gear manually to keep it in the new Zone, it feels and sounds to me that the Turbo boost and fuelling is reduced quiet dramatically after peak power. I did mention this prior to taking the car from AMD and they said try it and if it does not work on the road come back and we can have another look, which was very good of them.

Peak power needs to come in higher up the rev range, similar to the original map, somewhere between 3900 rpm and 4100 rpm to make the car feel faster as revs rise and more progressive. At the moment although it feels faster at certain RPM's it just is not enjoyable at the moment.

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Yes sorry, forgot to say. This is a AMD remap with full Milltek turbo back exhaust.
 
thats pretty good! does this include DOWNPIPE (SSXSE125) - Cat replacement pipe? have you changed air filter?
 
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Yes it includes the downpipe as that is part of the Turbo back exhaust, They also added a performance panel filter.
 
Night and Day, the car feels much stronger now, but as I said earlier, I need to get the map tweaked to suit my needs, I know with some tweaks it will be a fast and capable car.

But lets not get carried away, we are only talking about 200 BHP, which is only adequate in this day and age.
 
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I would also when finished take it to an independant dyno mate.
 
Have they also put the software on to adjust the Dsg changing times etc ?
 
Have they also put the software on to adjust the Dsg changing times etc ?


No, I did not think they had this anyway, I thought Regal were the only people in the UK to do this for DSG boxes.
 
The car is going back to AMD to have the map adjusted on Tuesday, it needs the fuelling adjusted at low RPM / small throttle inputs as it is covering the rear of the car with a greasy diesel film and it needs most importantly the torque to be held longer up at the higher rev range.
 
Quick update, AMD had the car for half a day, but unfortunately they could not get the car to produce power further up the rev range. They tried 3 different maps and still could not get the peak power zone to go higher up the rev range, they think at the moment that the DSG box or turbo is holding it back.

So still not happy with the results, I asked for a refund and for the map to be taken off, this was agreed, so I left and was to come back in an hour or so. I got a phone call telling me that as I went to stage 2 and had the full Turbo back exhaust including de-cat, it would probably mean on the original map the turbo would surge and I would go into limp mode, Impressed I was not. A few minutes later they called back again and explained they had Dyno graphs for Superchips and Revo 2.0 TDI 140's and they showed no different in power and torque to mine.

I agreed to go back to AMD to look at these graphs, as soon as I did I pointed out to them, that they produced peak power at between 3800 - 4000 RPM, exactly where it should be if you follow the OE map line, mine still peaks at 3400!

AMD have agreed to put a REVO map on to see if this helps, but this is an option I am reluctant to accept as it does not take into account the exhaust and cannot be upgraded for when I go for a Hybrid Turbo.

So I go back next Monday for them to have a go again. Out of Interest I took the car to a VW specialist to see if there were any errors being thrown up to do with the turbo or gearbox, or any other component, there was none.

As I have said before, AMD's communication and customer service continues to exceed expectations.
 
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Keep us updated, i'm going to be looking to remap my 140bhp 2.0TDi very soon. I have used AMD before and thought the were very good. So would be interesting to hear what they come up with for your issue,
 
I'd get rid of the K+N filter,i took mine off as soon as i got the car,and was even advised to from the previous owner.I don't believe these are a good upgrade for our cars.I think the green filter is the one to go for.
 
Sorry it's not a K&N it's a pipercross panel filter. AMD only stock the pipercross.
 
Hi! I recently upsated my 2.0TDI 140cv S-tronic '06 with Upsolute stage 2 map, GT1852v turbo and Milltek downpipe, but the most we could get out of it was 175cv and 380NM due to the DSG box limit. The gearbox didn't let us go further. How did AMD to go to 445NM with the Stronic in your S-tronic equipped unit?

Cheers,
g.
 
To be honest, you would need to speak to AMD to find out, I really cannot honestly answer that question.

Back on topic, the car was dropped back to AMD last week, to tell the truth I forget to ask what they did, they just said drive it for a few days and see. I think though that this is the REVO map that they were talking about putting on. The car now pulls more constantly through the rev range and there is no drop off the side of the cliff in lost power once you go past 3800 RPM but OMG it's slow, in all honesty it feels like it has maybe 10-15 more BHP than standard. It's not even as quick as a TDI 170 A3!

So once again it is going back to AMD for them to have another play with. I have expressed some concern that I purchased a stage 2 kit with the full turbo back exhaust allowing the torque to be held higher and for longer, but this is not what I have recieved to date, what I currently have ended up with is a generic Revo stage 1.
 
tbh mate it sounds like they do now know what is going on, i feel your pain, it's a nightmare when the people who are doing the work are not able to sort it or even offer a reason for the problems !. I guess they have done this conversion before ?, if so sounds like there might be something different with your car, but they should be able to sort it. Does it drive ok standard, i would be tempted to ditch it all and put on bit on at a time, i.e. does it drive ok with just the map and no exhaust ? Last time i took my old TDI 140 to Audi for a service, my mate who is the master tech said he replaced the intercooler caps under warranty as they often break, i had bluefin on mine, not sure if this caused it, but it def went better afterwards. Could be something like this ?
 
They have DSG remaps now that raise the torque to 500NM.

But with hardware mods or just by software? in that case, I guess the gearbox life should be really short with a torque it hasn't meant to handle! Do you know more about that?

Thank you in advance,
g.
 
Software only. The DSG clutches are very strong galmot. I know of a MK5 GTI DSG running 380ft-lb/360ft-lb for 20,000 miles he drove like a lunatic everyday and never had a problem!
 
anyone know by the way what torque limit on standard clutch in a3 2.0 tdi BKD engines?
 
Software only. The DSG clutches are very strong galmot. I know of a MK5 GTI DSG running 380ft-lb/360ft-lb for 20,000 miles he drove like a lunatic everyday and never had a problem!


Thank you for the info, guys. I really didn't know that stock DSG gearbox could be so strong. It's quite an expensive equipment to repair, so it's normal to be afraid of seeing it breaking :D

I share my experience: 125.000km (78.200 milles I guess lol) with stage 1 remap, of wich last 30.000km (more than 18.000m) with GT1852v turbo, downpipe and stage 3.
The DSG box works like the first day (I've done 2 oil and filter change to the gearbox since I bought the car -March 2006-)

Cheers!
g.

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The car is going back on Tuesday to AMD. I had a really positive conversation with Shaun who is responsible for the ECU remapping. He explained the current map I now have is Revo Stage 1 and as this is a generic map it is not written to take into account the Turbo back exhaust.

The REVO map is smooth and does not smoke at all, but it really does feel a very minimal increase on standard, it feels maybe like an additional 20 BHP. Personally I would not be happy with this after spending £400.

So I am going back to the AMD map, Shaun explained that the turbo can just not run enough boost higher up in the rev range for my liking, so I will need to wait until I have a large Hybrid turbo bolted on. But for now, they will do there best to make the car perform as well as it can do with the Stage 2 kit.

It's been a tail of the customer wanting more than the hardware can support, as always we always want more and more.

As I have said many times, the customer support from AMD is the best I have come across in the tuning business. They really do go that extra mile to keep the customer happy.
 

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