Remapping an Stronic S3

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Is there any reason why you should not remap an Stronic S3 as opposed to the manual? Is the Stronic box up to the increased bhp and torque?

I would have thought that having 2 clutches as opposed to one in the manual would be of benefit?
 
nicks3 said:
Is there any reason why you should not remap an Stronic S3 as opposed to the manual? Is the Stronic box up to the increased bhp and torque?

I would have thought that having 2 clutches as opposed to one in the manual would be of benefit?
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Being that I'm hoping to order an S-Tronic S3 in the next week or 2, I'd be curious to know the answer to this too. The problem is that there are very few S-Tronic S3's out there just now since they only released it into the S3 range in the last few months.

I'm currently a Golf GTI Edition 30 owner (although its been written off - but I still own it!) and have spent my fair share of time on the VW forums. The Ed30 has the same turbo unit as the S3 and alot of the same parts... and the guys on there are pushing their DSG gearboxes (same thing I think?) to over 330bhp without any problems.

I don't know where you're likely to get an official answer though without finding someone who has actually done it. Either that or try contacting Superchips / Revo etc and see if they're tried it and how they got on?
 
I have an S-Tronic S3 on order, should be here at the end of May and I am looking into this, what i have so far is that; torque is the thing to watch not BHP, but there is a software limit on the torque input to the DSG gearbox, so any map cannot/should not go over this limit or the additional tourqe will be 'dropped' (not sure how this happens). from what I understand the same DSG unit is used in the gold ED30 and one of the TT's. and there are reports/ I am told buy tunning garages that this DSG is good for up to 450nm (330 ft/lbs). which is within the limit of a stage 1 remap. but i have also heard that the software tourqe limit is 300ft/lbs and the physical limit is 350 ft/lbs. but that should still be enough for a stage1 ECU re-map.

I am still digging in to this and have more emails to send and forums to scour, and people to call. so once i have more info about the limits i will post more. then the problem comes of which remapping to use, as there are lots about.
 
I know several TT-S owners running maps on s-tronic with no issues. There are torque limits, but they are pretty conservative.
You can even remap the S-tronic gearbox software now to make shifts quicker and take away some of the nannying (auto shift up etc).
A few people have it and really rave about it :D
 
As far as I'm aware the S3's S-Tronic box is a brand new 7-speed dry-clutch system and the TTS still runs the regular 6-speed wet-clutch. Dry clutches tend to have much lower torque limits due to the extra cooling required and that's why only the low powered A3's currently run the 7-speed S-tronic box while the more powerful ones run the older 6 speed wet clutch.

With the S3, Audi has invested in a new bigger version of the dry-clutch box with extra cooling ability but I'm guessing there isn't as much scope to safely pump much more torque through these units? Unless, that is, audi have engineered it to work with the powerful torquey diesels from other ranges? I'm not sure where, or even if, this bigger 7-speed box is used elsewhere yet?

Trouble is, that the first guys to remap the cars are going to be the genuie pigs to find out how much torque they can handle and for how many 1000 miles they can cope with it. You'l also have to find and trust a tuning outfit with your new car and new technology as well.

Might be worth waiting a few months to see if there's more technical material and genuine experiences available?
 
S-tronic 7-speed official Audi Blurb:
The 1.6, 1.4 TFSI and 1.8 TFSI models are now available
with the new 7-gear version of our highly-acclaimed
S tronic gearbox. The extra gear, along with a dry-clutch
set-up, results in improved fuel economy and lower
CO​
​
2 emissions. As with the 6-speed S tronic gearbox, this
gear system can be operated in fully automatic mode,
or using the gear lever or steering wheel gear-change
controls for a sportier driving style.

Therefore the S3 on the 2.0tfsi has the 6-speed s-tronic:​


The revolutionary S tronic gearbox combines the agility
and responsiveness of a conventional 6-speed manual
gearbox with the convenience and smooth, uninterrupted
power of an automatic transmission. The technical basis
of the S tronic gearbox is the double clutch. This consists
of two lubricated plates with hydraulically-regulated
contact pressure. One engages the odd-numbered gears,
the other the even-numbered, enabling gear-shifts to be
made in a fraction of a second, with no disruption to the
power flow. Depending on how the mood takes you, you
can either allow gear-changes to take place automatically
or, for a sportier driving style, operate the S tronic system
using the gear lever or steering wheel shift-paddles.
The choice is yours.​
 
That's correct. Only the 1.6, 1.4TFSI and the 1.8TFSI have the dry-clutch 7-speed S-tronic. All the other A3 models including the S3, 2.0TDI-140, 2.0TDI-170, 2.0TFSI and 2.0TFSI quattro have the wet-clutch 6-speed S-tronic.
 
mikep said:
I've run 300lb ft through my DSG box for the past 3+ years (it's a diesel), which generates most of the torque from 1750 rpm. No problems.
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What bhp/lb are you running currently mate

h5djr said:
That's correct. Only the 1.6, 1.4TFSI and the 1.8TFSI have the dry-clutch 7-speed S-tronic. All the other A3 models including the S3, 2.0TDI-140, 2.0TDI-170, 2.0TFSI and 2.0TFSI quattro have the wet-clutch 6-speed S-tronic.
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Yeah I was just told other day when I was looking over the S3 Stronic SB parked up at dealers that it was the 6 speed which shocked me as was under impression was the new 7 speed.
 
NHN said:
Yeah I was just told other day when I was looking over the S3 Stronic SB parked up at dealers that it was the 6 speed which shocked me as was under impression was the new 7 speed.
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Personally I think the 6-speed wet-clutch version is the better one of the two because of the oil filled clutch unit.
 
Well I dont know all the technicalities but I can only imagine a well lubricated mechanical unit will be far more reliable, but guess the lubricated unit is maybe gonna get alot more strenuous use if the above engines are believed to be true & I dont doubt Dave's info.
 
Jamiekip said:
S-tronic 7-speed official Audi Blurb:


Therefore the S3 on the 2.0tfsi has the 6-speed s-tronic:​
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First time I've noticed they are rolling the s3 out with the regular 6 speed box? :huh:

Even recent press reports still mention a new 7-speed s-tronic box? Did any of you guys who ordered the early models expect 7-speed?
 
S4 uses a completely different box - designed for longitudinal mounted engines.....
 
i was aware that my S3 S-tronic was 6 speed when i ordered, as Jamiekip mentions the S4 7-speed is a different box. for the transverse engines the 7-speed dry cannot take as much torque/bhp as the 'old' 6-speed wet
 
Bergy said:
First time I've noticed they are rolling the s3 out with the regular 6 speed box? :huh:

Even recent press reports still mention a new 7-speed s-tronic box? Did any of you guys who ordered the early models expect 7-speed?
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All the Audi Price and Specification Guides issued since the S-tronic became available on the S3 show it as being the 6-speed version.

Perhaps the 'press' just got it wrong as usual.

The S3 has never been offered with the 7-speed version.
 
Got my S3 DSG Sportback in Dec...it is the 6 speed box. Audi made an error on one of their press releases which stated that it was the 7 speed version....
 
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