backdraft turbo kit on your tt s3 a3?

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Pointless thread. OP posts a question and doesn't respond thereafter.

Way too many variables involved.

I feel bad for bumping this one to the top.

Lock it or delete it.
 
To be fair to the OP I don't think he's deliberately out to make Backdraft look bad, he just seems like an idiot who has no real etiquette on how to deal with such things in the proper way.
 
He's had the opportunity to respond already, and he's obviously been online, as he made a secondary thread not long ago. No response = delete both threads in my opinion.
 
please read the advert carefully i am trying to work out how my pistons are scarred and valves not, how is this possible, i am in no way attacking any company or individual, although some of you seem to be a little defensive, read the add, your responses are making a much more accusing picture than my actual add!!!!
again i am not blaming anyone i just wanna know how my engine could possibly end up like this????????
please read the updated add at the top to find the pics
 
Backdraft Motorsport said:
Hi Timmys3,
Thanks for posting your issues. If you would like to contact us directly Backdraft will be happy to address them directly.
Regards
Backdraft Motorsport.
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cummon guys i still have all the emails where i already tried to show you this problem, remember, and I still got your reply too where you simply said that you don't hold any responsibility and it'll cost me 60quid for the first hour of labour and 50 quid thereafter.
I can post them if you'd like to argue.
 
timmy one of the more experianced engine people will be along soon fella.....

agree that it has been blown out of proportion in some respects..... although some fair questions were asked.
 
timmys3 said:
please read the advert carefully i am trying to work out how my pistons are scarred and valves not, how is this possible, i am in no way attacking any company or individual, although some of you seem to be a little defensive, read the add, your responses are making a much more accusing picture than my actual add!!!!
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What advert? Your original post makes no attempt to explain what blew up on your car. It could have been absolutely anything from the information you have given, and none of the reason I can think of would have anything to do with shoddy workmanship from 12 months prior.

What is the mileage of your motor, when was the last cambelt/waterpump change, how often has the oil been changed? Did a con-rod go? Too many variables to make a judgement.



again i am not blaming anyone i just wanna know how my engine could possibly end up like this????????
please read the updated add at the top to find the pics
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You are quite clearly blaming Backdraft and expect them to sort it FOC given your reply to them.
 
TimmyS3, mate if you have a personal issue with BD, I suggest you sort it with them privately, no need to come on a forum and lay the blame on them, when they dont seem to have done anything wrong! I would blame yourself seems like you obvioulsy have not been maintaining it, engines dont just BLOW up!
 
he isnt directly blaming BD....... although this is a two way street if BD are posting asking him to go to them to sort the issue.... when they have already conversed with him, there cant be that many cases like this out there

this all seems a tad odd, whether its Timmy or BD...something isnt right....
 
FazS3 said:
TimmyS3, mate if you have a personal issue with BD, I suggest you sort it with them privately, no need to come on a forum and lay the blame on them, when they dont seem to have done anything wrong! I would blame yourself seems like you obvioulsy have not been maintaining it, engines dont just BLOW up!
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reading is obviously not a strength of yours mate. READ the post carefully and try a proper reply. I AM TRYING TO WORK OUT HOW THE PISTONS WERE SCARRED AND THE VALVES ARE PERFECT.
 
1animal1 said:
he isnt directly blaming BD....... although this is a two way street if BD are posting asking him to go to them to sort the issue.... when they have already conversed with him, there cant be that many cases like this out there

this all seems a tad odd, whether its Timmy or BD...something isnt right....
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thanks mate i am glad you can read my add properly, unlike some morons on here. Its quite funny how they are defending db but i never have blamed anyone!!!! I would actually like to post the letters between me and bd just so it totally black and white for you guys and you can see i'm not lying. but i am working out if that is legal or not.
 
Timmy, it may help if you ignore the BD issue and post exactly what happend when the car stopped....and noises and anything else found by the garage...diagnose the problem etc.... this will stop the reference to BD for now and will help you out with the way forward
 
jojo said:
Totally agree with Olly here, harsh to blame Backdraft for a blown engine after 12 months of use! As for the damaged pistons and perfect valves, sounds to me like it could have had a snapped campelt in the past, hence dents in the pistons, but new valves(or possibly a new/used head) was put on to rectify the problem.
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s3_kev said:
an engine cant simply just blow up that would mean it has detinated which i cant belive, in which way has it BLOWN up???
as said above looks like its possibly had a broken cambelt in its life time and caused some piston damage which has resulted in the engine failure but with out actually saying where the engine has failed other then BLOWING UP its hard to see how the turbo upgrade has caused the problem.
how long did you have the car before getting the turbo done and do you no any history about the engine or cambelt???? cant really see what backdraft could have done myself
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timmys3 said:
please read the advert carefully i am trying to work out how my pistons are scarred and valves not, how is this possible, i am in no way attacking any company or individual, although some of you seem to be a little defensive, read the add, your responses are making a much more accusing picture than my actual add!!!!
again i am not blaming anyone i just wanna know how my engine could possibly end up like this????????
please read the updated add at the top to find the pics
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theres your awnsers
 
timmys3 said:
reading is obviously not a strength of yours mate. READ the post carefully and try a proper reply. I AM TRYING TO WORK OUT HOW THE PISTONS WERE SCARRED AND THE VALVES ARE PERFECT.
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IMO there are 2 ways for marks on the pistons, detonation caused by weak mixture or too much advance etc, or actual contact with valve gear.

Tim, have you checked with previous owner to ensure no previous timing belt failiure has occured? As that seems to me to be the only way that this would happen. BD are unlikely to have removed your head to fit a BT kit. No possible reason to.

What kit did you have fitted etc and was it complete with any kind of head work?
 
timmys3 said:
reading is obviously not a strength of yours mate. READ the post carefully and try a proper reply. I AM TRYING TO WORK OUT HOW THE PISTONS WERE SCARRED AND THE VALVES ARE PERFECT.
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Most of us aren't mechanics, why not speak to BACKDRAFT DIRECTLY ? Or at least another garage.

jojo said:
offtopic/

2 Evo's Olly?
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Offtopic/
Did have ! Had to sell one due to the credit crunch ! Only got the IX GT now.
 
s3_kev said:
theres your awnsers
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yeh this is what other mechanics have said, they think the cam belt went at some point, however I bought the car from new and have never had any issues with the cam belt going, however I got bd to change the cam belt at the usual 80k miles?
 
Olly_K said:
Most of us aren't mechanics, why not speak to BACKDRAFT DIRECTLY ? Or at least another garage.


do you think i may have already raised this issue with them? and its been to an independant mechanic how do you think i found this problem? read the post please so you don't sound like your full of backwoft
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Byzan A4 said:
IMO there are 2 ways for marks on the pistons, detonation caused by weak mixture or too much advance etc, or actual contact with valve gear.

Tim, have you checked with previous owner to ensure no previous timing belt failiure has occured? As that seems to me to be the only way that this would happen. BD are unlikely to have removed your head to fit a BT kit. No possible reason to.

What kit did you have fitted etc and was it complete with any kind of head work?
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cool thanks for the reply, i bought the car as new and it has never has cam problems while in my custody, and I had the timing belt changed by bd. so your saying it looks like it has been blown up before.
thats funny as the mechanic who saw this asked me who i'd bought the car off, when i told him i'd bought it from new he asked had the cam gone while in my custody. NO! then he asked me who had changed the timing belt. db!
 
Ok so it sounds like you can rule out timing belt failure if you've owned it from brand new and the belt/pump was changed at 80k. What about detonation as Bryan mentioned. Did you have a custom made map for the car?
 
Westle said:
Ok so it sounds like you can rule out timing belt failure if you've owned it from brand new and the belt/pump was changed at 80k. What about detonation as Bryan mentioned. Did you have a custom made map for the car?
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yeh mate it had a custom map for the car, have you seen the pics on the tt forum? user is omgmys3. even with this detonation would the valves still be perfect but the pistons scarred, surley it would break the valve aswell?
 
I guess people might not like my view on things here but i'm gonna say them anyway.

Timmy has come here asking for answers after:

1. His engine was non-functional
2. He contacted BD who said that he'd have to pay £60 for the initial inspection and £50 per hour there after.

Why are people here not simply "reading" what this chap is saying? *** lads whats this place coming to. EVERYONE bar a few, seems to be doing nothing but causing an arguement where the clearly isn't one.

He is asking for our advice is he not? He states Backdraft BT kit on A3/S3 he didnt once say it's BD's fault or say that BD haven't offered to help......

And.....the mother of all assumtions, typical.

You are quite clearly blaming Backdraft and expect them to sort it FOC given your reply to them.
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Since when is he stating any of that.

From what i can see this chap is asking how could his pistons be scarred and his valves be untouched.

I for one will add that if you've got nothing helpful to say and all you wish to do is slate this poor chap for what "on the surface" seems innocent enough then don't bother posting anything at all.

There is "nothing" worse than having your car off the road and in bits, come on lads...we've ALL been there at some point. Cut him some freekin slack.!

G
 
WHich TT forum mate?

Also detonation tends to "eat" or "melt" the piston tops due to high heat, usually due to weak mixture at WOT. However this kind of damage should have been evident to the indie that stripped the car.

Maybe there was an incident when the TB was changed that was recified FOC when the car was in?
 
Mr.G said:
I guess people might not like my view on things here but i'm gonna say them anyway.

Timmy has come here asking for answers after:

1. His engine was non-functional
2. He contacted BD who said that he'd have to pay £60 for the initial inspection and £50 per hour there after.

Why are people here not simply "reading" what this chap is saying? *** lads whats this place coming to. EVERYONE bar a few, seems to be doing nothing but causing an arguement where the clearly isn't one.

He is asking for our advice is he not? He states Backdraft BT kit on A3/S3 he didnt once say it's BD's fault or say that BD haven't offered to help......

And.....the mother of all assumtions, typical.


Since when is he stating any of that.

From what i can see this chap is asking how could his pistons be scarred and his valves be untouched.

I for one will add that if you've got nothing helpful to say and all you wish to do is slate this poor chap for what "on the surface" seems innocent enough then don't bother posting anything at all.

There is "nothing" worse than having your car off the road and in bits, come on lads...we've ALL been there at some point. Cut him some freekin slack.!

G
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THANK YOU MATE, HERE IS SOMEONE WHO CAN READ!!!!! It's almost like some of these people work for bd!!!
 
Byzan A4 said:
WHich TT forum mate?

Also detonation tends to "eat" or "melt" the piston tops due to high heat, usually due to weak mixture at WOT. However this kind of damage should have been evident to the indie that stripped the car.

Maybe there was an incident when the TB was changed that was recified FOC when the car was in?
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its called the tt forum type it into google and my user name is omgmys3 check out my posts. the independant mechanic is excellent at audi turbo cars and he never mentioned detenation. check out the pics here http://www.tt-forum.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=136117
its the tt-forum.co.uk
 
no problem.....

The only advice i'd give to you Timmy is carry on with your investigations into the weird engine troubles. If need be speak with BD via telephone or visit their premises and see what help they can offer, i'm sure that they will be able to help, they are after all nice people! It might cost you but then it's going to cost somewhere else too.

The insight on this matter though is BD know your car having done work before, and will know what to do. I like the fact that my mechanic knows my car, it can only be a good thing.

I wish you luck in getting it sorted out mate.

G
 
1animal1 said:
Timmy, it may help if you ignore the BD issue and post exactly what happend when the car stopped....and noises and anything else found by the garage...diagnose the problem etc.... this will stop the reference to BD for now and will help you out with the way forward
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I AM TRYING TO FIND OUT HOW MY PISTONS ARE SCARRED BUT MY VALVES ARE PERFECT, NOT WHAT BROKE THE ENGINE. PLEASE I CAN OLNY SAY THIS ONE MORE TIME. HAVE YOU SEEN THE PICS ON THE TT FORUM?
 
just checked out your pictures mate, I'm re-building my engine at the moment and that damage is 100% been done by a valve. The shape, depth and position is the exact copy of the face of the valve.

As to how this has happened due to the fact the valves in the pictures appear to be ok, is strange, have you had a valve out to inspect?

Two of my valves looked untouched but once out of the head they were only slightly bent.

One possible theory (this is only an option i'm not pointing fingers!) could during the cambelt change something went wrong and a different head was fitted?
 
timmys3 said:
I AM TRYING TO FIND OUT HOW MY PISTONS ARE SCARRED BUT MY VALVES ARE PERFECT, NOT WHAT BROKE THE ENGINE. PLEASE I CAN OLNY SAY THIS ONE MORE TIME. HAVE YOU SEEN THE PICS ON THE TT FORUM?
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no mate cos i have no idea about the level of detail that you need...good luck though (tip: dont use caps as its a pain in the **** to read)
 
timmys3 said:
I AM TRYING TO FIND OUT HOW MY PISTONS ARE SCARRED BUT MY VALVES ARE PERFECT, NOT WHAT BROKE THE ENGINE. PLEASE I CAN OLNY SAY THIS ONE MORE TIME. HAVE YOU SEEN THE PICS ON THE TT FORUM?
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to find out what has possibly caused you problem it will help us to diagnose your problem if you tell us how the engine failed??
looking at the pictures above in the tt forum that is definantly valve contact that has caused the piston damage, one option is that a pully or guide on your cambelt have failed and caused the timming no longer be timmed up, when the technician removed your head to inspect the problem did he time the engine up before removing the head as most people just take the head off with out actually check timming first, as you can just slip the belt off with it not timmed up??
other then that its droped some valves due to broken valve springs, has he removed the valves and checked the valve springs and checked that the valves are actually straight and dont just apear to be straight??
 
1animal1 said:
no mate cos i have no idea about the level of detail that you need...good luck though (tip: dont use caps as its a pain in the **** to read)
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Cummon mate your meant to be a financial account manager and caps lock fools you. you got all your clients long the ten year yeh!
 
ash_pearce said:
just checked out your pictures mate, I'm re-building my engine at the moment and that damage is 100% been done by a valve. The shape, depth and position is the exact copy of the face of the valve.

As to how this has happened due to the fact the valves in the pictures appear to be ok, is strange, have you had a valve out to inspect?

Two of my valves looked untouched but once out of the head they were only slightly bent.

One possible theory (this is only an option i'm not pointing fingers!) could during the cambelt change something went wrong and a different head was fitted?
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Cheers mate, all I can say is that the car was bought from new, it only ever went to audi dealers for services etc, except once it had the bt upgrade it only ever went to bd for major works and bd changed my timing belt.
the mechanic who took it apart is nearly 100% sure it had been blown up previously but i am the only owner! dunno but i can only come up with one answer! o and we got the valves out and they are completely fine even still have the carbon coating on them!
 
Was the cambelt changed as part of the BT kit being fitted or seperate? Before or after BT kit?

Give us some more details on the age of car, when the BT was fitted, miles on car, miles since. To be fair, the BD kit has had some well documented issues during its development and they have tried various companies to map the cars, all of which is documented on here.

Is it possible the cambelt broke when the kit was being fitted or when anypone else was using or in charge of the car?

All very weird!
 
simch said:
Was the cambelt changed as part of the BT kit being fitted or seperate? Before or after BT kit?

Give us some more details on the age of car, when the BT was fitted, miles on car, miles since. To be fair, the BD kit has had some well documented issues during its development and they have tried various companies to map the cars, all of which is documented on here.

Is it possible the cambelt broke when the kit was being fitted or when anypone else was using or in charge of the car?

All very weird!
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yeh the mechanic who took it apart said the same thing "thats f***ing weird"
I got the kit installed at about 70k by bd the belt was changed at 80k by bd.
Impssible to tell if the scarred piston was the direct cause of the blow out (although i am sure it did not help), basically a rod bent.
The car was only used by me and my girlfriend and bd were the only company to do any work more than an oil change after the car had the bt!
so to conclude you and my other mechanic would say that its been blown up and changed without my knowledge, by someone, (not pointing any fingers) and its very hard to find any other way the piston could be scarred but the valves are perfect?
and it blew up at about 83k
 
Still smells fishy. Looks like your ******* admins off on other forums too:

I really don't see how this sort of thread is helping this forum or yourself.

You originally said you'd spent £10k and only after this said about the other upgrades. So I think you can excuse people on here assuming you'd spent that ALL on the turbo upgrade and connected items.

The main point that I'm still failing to see is what you are after posting on here?

You no longer have the car, so you are not after advice on how to fix it ,or who to take it to for it to be rectified.

The company has already spoken up and offered to speak to you about this issue, and you have been advised this is the route you need to take.

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timmys3 said:
yeh the mechanic who took it apart said the same thing "thats f***ing weird"
I got the kit installed at about 70k by bd the belt was changed at 80k by bd.
Impssible to tell if the scarred piston was the direct cause of the blow out (although i am sure it did not help), basically a rod bent.
The car was only used by me and my girlfriend and bd were the only company to do any work more than an oil change after the car had the bt!
so to conclude you and my other mechanic would say that its been blown up and changed without my knowledge, by someone, (not pointing any fingers) and its very hard to find any other way the piston could be scarred but the valves are perfect?
and it blew up at about 83k
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I am finding it difficult to follow your posts tbh. I was ASKING if it could have had a cambelt problem and a head change without your knowledge, not "concluding" that, I will let you and your mechanic make conclusions. You seem to say only BD have touched it.....so all your services were done there were they, from new......? Somehow I dont believe that!

To be fair that damage looks relatively recent, as there is no carbon build up in the marks on the pistons, but equally that head looks to have done more than 3k miles which is the mielage since the cambelt was done, so unlikely to have been fitted then.

You still have not said what actually happened whenit "blew up" ie did you get a noise, a knock, total loss of power, smoke,what? If a rod just bent, it would have still run, been a bit rough but would have run. Are you sure it did not skip a tooth on the timing, or a tensioner go lose or collapse?

It's a weird story, but am I the only one thinking you are not telling us everything about this incident??

pS on TT forum it says you have sold the car, if so, what's all this about? Did you fix it or sell it knackered?
 
PS the TT forum shows you saying you collected it and they had painted the wheels bright yellow......! WTF.....

you should have invested in a gallon on 95ron and some swan vestas there and then! :)
 
simch said:
I am finding it difficult to follow your posts tbh. I was ASKING if it could have had a cambelt problem and a head change without your knowledge, not "concluding" that, I will let you and your mechanic make conclusions. You seem to say only BD have touched it.....so all your services were done there were they, from new......? Somehow I dont believe that!

To be fair that damage looks relatively recent, as there is no carbon build up in the marks on the pistons, but equally that head looks to have done more than 3k miles which is the mielage since the cambelt was done, so unlikely to have been fitted then.

You still have not said what actually happened whenit "blew up" ie did you get a noise, a knock, total loss of power, smoke,what? If a rod just bent, it would have still run, been a bit rough but would have run. Are you sure it did not skip a tooth on the timing, or a tensioner go lose or collapse?

It's a weird story, but am I the only one thinking you are not telling us everything about this incident??

pS on TT forum it says you have sold the car, if so, what's all this about? Did you fix it or sell it knackered?
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he's definantly avoiding something as he quoted posts above but avoided awnsering my questions seems very fishy to me looks like something has happend and he's trying to find an awnser to how it could have happened so he can blame bd
 
whats the mileage now mate???? because i had my cam belt fitted at 80k then it broke at 110k my pistons looked exactly the same.... but cant explain how the valves are all fine :think:
 
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