Induction Kits - Advice?

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TanyaS3

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Hey all

What would be the best induction kit, not 2 pricey for my S3.
I just want abit of grrr noise from the car, not 2 much, just a little.

TJ
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NONE! The S3's standard airbox is of a very good efficient design. Most modern audi's don't like the cotton/foam oiled induction kits as the oil used on the filters can be drawn through the intake and can leave a film of oil over the MAF (air flow sensor) causing the car to run like a bag of *poo*. For a little more induction noise best option is to fit a k&n panel filter which is about £45 quid for an s3 and won 't damage nuffin!!! nuff said /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
Had a modified air box and had issues with the car getting on its max boost......put original box back on and everything is fine again.

The car really hates hot air I discovered, but I miss the sound of the engine and the DV
 
i have a similar system to carbonio... sorry dont' really like it. its on my V5 Golf. Lose alot of bottom end, but gained it back in the mid range. It seems like if you relocate (i dont know if this is the case for the S3) the pipe and lead it all the way down to the front bumper, you lose alot of pressure from having the airbox closer to the MAF. Own opinion though, although it gave rougher gear changes (auto on that car). Just good noise and good mid range.
 
Rich
Is your bracket going to be fitted by GTI International. If so I wouldn't mind having a look at it. I may then be tempted to throw money in your general direction
Cheers
GBH
 
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GBH said:
Rich
Is your bracket going to be fitted by GTI International. If so I wouldn't mind having a look at it. I may then be tempted to throw money in your general direction
Cheers
GBH

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Well...kind of! 'MY' bracket will be...the one i made as a prototype. The company i use couldnt do it til after the show unfortunately!!!

Rich
 
I would stay away from any induction kit, and modify the standard air box with a larger cold air feed.
 
You could always have a go at making a one like the Jabbasport one yourself.

Took nearly a full day to make, but worth it /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif


 
Paul, Have you had any problems with your MAF sensor, heat soak etc?

How did you set out making it.....

Looks like a real dark area this!

 
Well Jason, Paul appears to be using a stainless steel gauze filter which isn't oiled, therefore doesn't present the same MAF problems as oiled filters /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif And it looks like he's installaed a heat shield, as well as a cold-air feed, in order to keep his intake temps down.


All in all, it looks sweet Paul /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

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Well Jason, Paul appears to be using a stainless steel gauze filter which isn't oiled, therefore doesn't present the same MAF problems as oiled filters /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
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True you don't have the oil problems but the filtration capabilities of a steel gauze filter are not a patch on a paper one. Trust me a lot more dust grit and sh!t make it past a gauze filter. Not Good!

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Too right.

The amount of small particles sucked through will be daft.
 
I'm going to disagree somewhat on the statements made about the stainless filters, whilst they are definately not as good as paper elements, they are by no means bad in any way.

The filtration of a stainless filter is extremely good and works extremely well in the hardest of applications, this I know from running stainless filters on earth moving equipment! I agree that some particles get through but you guys make it seem like it's the end of the world when it is nothing like that....consider the fact that japanese tuners have been running these filters for many years, without many problems.
 
and the fact some jap tuner dont even bother with filters /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

i'll probaly try a metal filter till something goes wrong, then take it off..........trial and error i suppose.
 
I've ordered the K&N replacement panel filter (p/n 33-2128) and should get it early next week.

I'll let you know how it fairs when I fit it!
 
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Imola S3 said:
I've ordered the K&N replacement panel filter (p/n 33-2128) and should get it early next week.

I'll let you know how it fairs when I fit it!

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How much was the filter?

I will be interested in knowing what difference it makes.
 
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GBH said:
Cheers m8
It even worked first time for me so your instructions were spot on
GBH

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Did you do that cold air feed mod then? I wouldn't mind doing it, ssince chipping it is fast, but sounds like is gasping for air...or going to suck the airbox in on itself!

With the temp gettign warmer...esp tonight on the way home, the car just didnt seem as quick as when it was 5c, compared to 16c today.

 
Soory Pure
Bit of a misunderstanding. The instructions to download the link were spot on. Although the instructions for the mod are comprehensive and easy to understand, I'll be leaving it to someone else.
I've got hands like a performing seal
GBH
 
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GBH said:
Soory Pure
Bit of a misunderstanding. The instructions to download the link were spot on. Although the instructions for the mod are comprehensive and easy to understand, I'll be leaving it to someone else.
I've got hands like a performing seal
GBH

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HAHAHA what an image
 
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CALIBRE said:
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Imola S3 said:
I've ordered the K&N replacement panel filter (p/n 33-2128) and should get it early next week.

I'll let you know how it fairs when I fit it!

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How much was the filter?

I will be interested in knowing what difference it makes.

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I have paid £45 (mate's rate at a local shop), but I have found a really cheap web site that sells K&N products for bargain prices!

Faster Filters

A K&N replacement panel filter p/n 33-2128 for all A3 models (including S3) as well as the TT costs £36.77 plus delivery - so it comes to £43.20.

In comparison, another online car parts site (NeedForSpeed.co.uk) charges in total £63.92 for the same product!

I'll let you know what the differences are - if any! If I get a slight throaty engine noise I'll be happy enough with that!
 
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Gambba said:
I'm going to disagree somewhat on the statements made about the stainless filters, whilst they are definately not as good as paper elements, they are by no means bad in any way.

The filtration of a stainless filter is extremely good and works extremely well in the hardest of applications, this I know from running stainless filters on earth moving equipment! I agree that some particles get through but you guys make it seem like it's the end of the world when it is nothing like that....consider the fact that japanese tuners have been running these filters for many years, without many problems.

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I guarantee if you saw some of the [censored] sucked through the £750 HKS stainless induction kit you'd change your mind!

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Too right
 
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RS4 Barry said:
I guarantee if you saw some of the [censored] sucked through the £750 HKS stainless induction kit you'd change your mind!

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Prove it. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Engine damage is proven to generally occur from particles ranging from 10-20 microns in size, and I happen to know that stainless steel filters can offer filtration down to 2 microns if required......which compares to and exceeds a paper filter. Although I don't know what HKS, Blitz etc are specifying as their filtration size it's nowhere near as bad as you guys make it seem.

I have used a stanless steel filter now for well over 6 months opn my own car and have noticed no dust on the inlet piping after the filter, and have expeirienced no other problems, and expect none. I have expeirience with these filters in both industrial vehicles and air filtration for compressors and air line devices, and not had any problems.

So I'd like you to back up the statments with facts and I don't mean 'too right' Mark /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

The above is in no way to argue (as such), more to discuss and share facts. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beerchug.gif

P.S. Blitz I think have used stainless steel filters for 20 years, and are still using them without problems, and are used by most of the Japanese touring cars I understand.
 
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Gambba said:
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RS4 Barry said:
I guarantee if you saw some of the [censored] sucked through the £750 HKS stainless induction kit you'd change your mind!

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Prove it. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Engine damage is proven to generally occur from particles ranging from 10-20 microns in size, and I happen to know that stainless steel filters can offer filtration down to 2 microns if required......which compares to and exceeds a paper filter. Although I don't know what HKS, Blitz etc are specifying as their filtration size it's nowhere near as bad as you guys make it seem.

I have used a stanless steel filter now for well over 6 months opn my own car and have noticed no dust on the inlet piping after the filter, and have expeirienced no other problems, and expect none. I have expeirience with these filters in both industrial vehicles and air filtration for compressors and air line devices, and not had any problems.

So I'd like you to back up the statments with facts and I don't mean 'too right' Mark /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

The above is in no way to argue (as such), more to discuss and share facts. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beerchug.gif

P.S. Blitz I think have used stainless steel filters for 20 years, and are still using them without problems, and are used by most of the Japanese touring cars I understand.

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I've had a stainless filter for the last 10,000(year!)miles in chipped form and not a single problem to date

Rich
 
I was told induction kits were a bad idea because of the MAF but I wanted one for two reasons, firstly improve power and secondly the noise!!!

what kits are you guys using?
 
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James M said:
I was told induction kits were a bad idea because of the MAF but I wanted one for two reasons, firstly improve power and secondly the noise!!!

what kits are you guys using?

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Taipan kit. We sell them at www.jbrperformance.co.uk

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Im in the process of having some lovely shiny polsihed stainless brackets made for them, so the kit price will gp up a little, but will be a complete kit then

Rich
 
Think this is going to come down to taste at the end of the day!!
 
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jayfrst said:
How come its a problem with Audis & not with VW....am i wrong in thinking they are identical engines the 1.8T theoreticlly?(excuse spelling!)

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They are exactly the same engine!!

I also know of someone using a BMC CDA on a 1.8T without problems.

One question,

If you were to de-oil an oiled cotton filter, would it not become basically as good as a paper filter?

Rich

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No Rich, because the cotton elements rely on the oil for filtration/retention of dust.

And as Glen says I've never seen anything proving the relation between MAF's dying and oiled filters in general, but from my work with MAF's I can imagine that over oiling a filter for a prelonged period could cause damage in the long run.

IMO as long as you are cautious with you application of oil to the filter then no problems should occur.
 
Gambba - does you use a performance filter or induction kit?
 
Quote Performance VW this month P24

"MAF airflow meter and its failure"

One myth is that exists is that induction kits or oiled panel filters cause the premature of the MAF sensors. In over 30 replacements on 1.8T and TDI models only about three or four suffered failure through the fitment of induction kits or panel filters. Even though this is possible its occurance is uncommon or rare.

We've just heard that VW dealers over here are now offering a service exchange MAF for £75. Prior to this, MAF replacements were up to £250 upwards but VW recognise that its MAF sensor has more issues than Performance VW!?!

would of scanned it, thought typing would be quicker.
I left out the boring stuff!!

Jay
 
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jayfrst said:
Quote Performance VW this month P24

"MAF airflow meter and its failure"

One myth is that exists is that induction kits or oiled panel filters cause the premature of the MAF sensors. In over 30 replacements on 1.8T and TDI models only about three or four suffered failure through the fitment of induction kits or panel filters. Even though this is possible its occurance is uncommon or rare.

We've just heard that VW dealers over here are now offering a service exchange MAF for £75. Prior to this, MAF replacements were up to £250 upwards but VW recognise that its MAF sensor has more issues than Performance VW!?!

would of scanned it, thought typing would be quicker.
I left out the boring stuff!!

Jay

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Interesting to know
 
Someones telling porkies................ /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
 
I think I shall have to get one then!

I assume there easy enough to fit?
 
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James M said:
I think I shall have to get one then!

I assume there easy enough to fit?

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James M said:
I assume there easy enough to fit?

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They are, with filter boxes with air feeds from the inner wheel arch being a bit trickier....I found it easier to remove the wheel and inner arch and pull the air feed hose through. Earlier A3's with the air feed from the front grill are a peice of cake though.

 
hopefully the Taipan should be here tomorrow so I'll let you know how I get on with it, once again the assistance from the forum has proved invaluable /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

thanks!
 
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