Da da da da Noise...!

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mordz

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Hello guys.

I have had a prob with my car for the past couple of weeks and its slowly got worse.

Its in the garage today.

I thought it was the wheel barings. but the guy in the shop says its not but could be my tyres?! he says they are extreamly warn on the front wheels and just on the inside as if the tracking is out.

Anyway the noise is heard best at 40mph and kinda goes da da da da da da da as the wheels move, noise slows down with the car .

Any ideas?
 
you havent got snoop doggy dog in the boot have you?.....had the same prob with my a3 1.8T, funnily enough started whern my tyres were changed..... they were michelins if i rmemeber correctly
 
lol funny. no new wheels new tyres, 5-6k later the da da da noise.

Guy in garrage says they are totaly warn on the inside as if tracking was way out. toe'd in as he put it. i guess he means they were like this /-------\

tyres are conti sports. hes putting some Pzeros on the front £200 each fitted.

then testing further. seems strage how this would make a noise.

a friend once told me that if you have uneaven tyres on a quattro car it can shag the diff/gearing/drive shafts or summat. as the wheels are turning uneavenly. i dunno how much weight that carries.. maybe he was talking ****. but i hope thats not damaged my car in that way.

i would have thought a diff would compensate for uneven rotation.

Thanks

Alex
 
mordz said:
a friend once told me that if you have uneaven tyres on a quattro car it can shag the diff/gearing/drive shafts or summat. as the wheels are turning uneavenly. i dunno how much weight that carries.. maybe he was talking ****. but i hope thats not damaged my car in that way.

i would have thought a diff would compensate for uneven rotation.
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Well you shouldnt tow a Quattro car, but what you have to bear in mind is that a Haldex isnt a true 4wd car as such because of the way the system is set up as a front biased with more power moved to the rear when needed

Dont know much about uneaven tyres, know people have had issues in the past when running wider wheels on the back with streched tyres so the actual wheel size works out quite a bit smaller, theres a certain % that needs to be adheared to

Never experienced that sort noise myself tho, if its repettitive and at speed the only thing Ive known to make noises like that is a loose wheel, worn mounts or a loose undertray as the wind gets underneath it
 
no it could put unessesary pressure on all these parts (as far as im aware), the diff wouldnt iron out this type of problem.....cant imagine why the wheels would be toe'd in anymore than normal...unless you've had a front end bump?? .....them tyres sound a bit pricy, are they 18's?

Maybe another member has some ideas.... i cant thinmk why the problems should be there if they are what he says they are. Is this Audi????
 
£200 each! have you gor 22's?
 
thanks grathies

Im no mechanic but its definetly wheel or wheel movement related. you can here it at low speed. just quieter and not as fast, obviously as the wheels are turning slower.

thats why i thought it might be the baring.

could it be a CV joint.? i had issues withe tha boot coming off last year
 
Well I dont get doggystyle, I give it to the lucky young lady of my choice! Then I can still watch Family Guy at the same time!

Tyres do seem ****** expensive, Id be checking on blackcircles.com or something like that
 
Normally with a CV joint youd hear a whirring noise, or atleast thats what Ive experienced in the past, particularly as your slowing down youll hear it. Maybe if the joint was totally dried up and parts were fused you might get a knocking noise but again not something Ive found in the past.
 
either way.....i cant see it being the toe in..... unless you've had a bump....my experiance tells me that unless you change something major like the wheel sizes...then Audis dont really stray from the ir configuration
 
Plus if the insides of your tyres are worn thats more you camber than your toe, if your wheels are toed it it will just affect your turning ability and scuff the tyres across the broadest part more.
 
from what you've said i dont think this garage have your best intentions in mind.....sounds to me, from the tyre price and diagnosis that hes talkin ****..... get tracking checked independently before doing anything else, prob cost £20 if you find sumwhere decent..... i found somewhere in chesterfield with a full top quality set up...... supposed to be better than the laser machines (i had my wishbones changed before you ask lol)
 
1animal1 said:
no it could put unessesary pressure on all these parts (as far as im aware), the diff wouldnt iron out this type of problem.....cant imagine why the wheels would be toe'd in anymore than normal...unless you've had a front end bump?? .....them tyres sound a bit pricy, are they 18's?

Maybe another member has some ideas.... i cant thinmk why the problems should be there if they are what he says they are. Is this Audi????
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not sure. i slammed some 19" MTM's on a month or so ago. and didnt re track the wheels like a muppet. could be why its cost me £400 on rubber already.
 
grathies said:
Normally with a CV joint youd hear a whirring noise, or atleast thats what Ive experienced in the past, particularly as your slowing down youll hear it. Maybe if the joint was totally dried up and parts were fused you might get a knocking noise but again not something Ive found in the past.
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it could be a wurring noise. kindof hard to describe noises. its not bumping or anything

i suppose its like a wasshing machine when on full spin at 40mph . it does whurr but there is also a da da da as if its worn at one side more than the other. not a constant whur like you would expect from wheel barings.

oh and the £200 per wheel is inc vat and fitting etc.
 
its not audi. i tried a audi specialist in leeds before but they ripped me off with my CV joint issues. so gone to another place in leeds that specialise.. was reccomended to me.
 
No, sounds like he's talking from experience, my best mate owns a tyre centre and i was convinced it was wheel bearings and he was adamant it was the tyres. He was right.

I run more than OEM negative camber which does wear the tyres on the inside edge but the benefits (for me) outweigh the negatives.

Due to the additional negative camber and the large tread blocks, I get a noise that is identical to worn wheel bearing noise, but having had the wheel bearings replaced it's still there. Wheel spacers, poly bushes, harder suspension will all excerbate this condition.
 
top tip dude.

I dont want the noise, its developed.

hopfully he can sort it
 
mordz said:
not sure. i slammed some 19" MTM's on a month or so ago. and didnt re track the wheels like a muppet. could be why its cost me £400 on rubber already.
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Thjats what i said in the post after though mate, if nothing has been drastically changed then the Audi settings rarely dislodge from what ive seen

Them tyres aught to be gold plated ....... £200 is still expensive, hope they are at least 18's otherwise this guy is taking the ****
 
nice one dude.

I do recall when i took my std 17" off they had warn just on the inside (on the front wheels) so maybe the settings was off?

ill let you know what the man says when he calls me back today

As for the price i checked fleabay and size i need Pzero Rosso are between £310 for a pair of part worn + delivery etc
 
I've just put my standard 17" wheels back on which have 2 brand new tyres on the front and all droning noises have disappeared.

Quiet as a mouse now, lovely.
 
i wish ot was just a drone noise. its more like the noise an air compressor pump makes
 
Ok garage rang.

Put some new tyres on, same noise. but as the guy said "it would have been silly to replace ya wheel bearings as the tyres needed doing and it could have quite easily been them.

So hes now going to do the Bearings on both front wheels. he says he cant spin each wheel to find out which is causing it as its 4x4.

anyone have any ideas?

im thinking CV Joint? i had issues last year with the boot coming off. at one point it had dried up. could it be that?
 
Do they have a wheel free ramp? I.E a 2 poster? If so all they have to is send it up with someone in the driving seat and drive the wheels, done it loads.
 
i dont think they do to be fair, its and old skool garage with a pit. they have a good rep thats why im using em

the other audi specialist i have used in the past does but they couldnt fit a CV boot correctly so im not going back there
 
sounds like they dont know.....im sure they are good etc but not sure they are geared for this car....this could end up costing you big time
 
well there doing clutch pedal and i have said to do the bearings, if its not right after that ill take it somewhere else.

dont suppose anyone can reccomend a place in leeds
 
right, cars back. turned out it was the bearings.

tyres were 170 each + fitting.

i asked about the tracking and he showed me the old tyres. warn evenly. can i really get em down that much in 3-4k miles? i dont powerslide.
 
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