Facelift FL RS3 has new brakes... again?

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Sweden has received its first delivery of FL RS3 saloon.

The photo is from the ad, looks like it has got new brakes... again?
It's not ceramic brakes, it's steel brakes.

The hub has a different design and more drill holes and is asymmetrical across the disc.

Those videos from youtube, both test drive and those who have got their FL RS3 already does not look like they have these new brakes. They have those brakes same as some PFL owner got when they had trouble with them wavy brakes.

Wondering if these new discs are ventilated in the right direction and end those squeaky brakes?

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Be interesting to see, I have ordered a set of those discs today.

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Arcam said:
Be interesting to see, I have ordered a set of those discs today.

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Ahh ok.
Are those Brembo disc? Do you know if the ventilation on them straight or have them the right direction right and left?
 
Macintosh88 said:
Ahh ok.
Are those Brembo disc? Do you know if the ventilation on them straight or have them the right direction right and left?
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AFAIK they are the TTRS discs, I don't think they are handed but I will post up once I have them.

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Arcam said:
AFAIK they are the TTRS discs, I don't think they are handed but I will post up once I have them.

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Have not seen them on TTRS. Yes, post up when you got them.
 
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Have not seen them on TTRS. Yes, post up when you got them.
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I had a right job getting the dealer to order them, if you get the chance to see that car again try and get the part number off the bell.

The bell design does look different to the "normal" disc, I will post pics as soon as mine arrive.

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Arcam said:
I had a right job getting the dealer to order them, if you get the chance to see that car again try and get the part number off the bell.

The bell design does look different to the "normal" disc, I will post pics as soon as mine arrive.

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Ok, I maybe will go the dealer this weekend. Then I'll take some close-ups photos with the part number.
 
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8V0615301S, one part number still so you still get two left hand side discs :)
 
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Aoon_M said:
8V0615301S, one part number still so you still get two left hand side discs :)
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ahh ok thanks Aoon_M for the info.
Do you have access to Audi parts or how did you find that info so fast? Also notice that you wrote at 04.16, you never sleep? :grin:
 
Aoon_M said:
8V0615301S, one part number still so you still get two left hand side discs :)
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Are you sure the discs in the pic are that part number?

The bell looks quite different as does the drill pattern, when mine arrive I will post up the off cars pics.

UPDATE: The ones I have ordered have a P at the end not S, will confirm once they arrive.

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This search was made for a 2018 rs3. There is four different discs for the 8V. See pic below.
The different discs is inside the red square.

As Aoon_M is writing. The newest one is 8V0 615 301 S. These are pobably the ones on the blue saloon in the first post.
 

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KKOG said:
This search was made for a 2018 rs3. There is four different discs for the 8V. See pic below.
The different discs is inside the red square.

As Aoon_M is writing. The newest one is 8V0 615 301 S. These are pobably the ones on the blue saloon in the first post.
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Nice one, thanks for sharing, interesting that there are 2 versions from May this year.

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No probs.

Maybe all of the early saloons that has been delivered to New zeeland/Australia have the old ones.
Hopefully the European/American market is gonna have the new ones when we get our cars.
 
KKOG said:
This search was made for a 2018 rs3. There is four different discs for the 8V. See pic below.
The different discs is inside the red square.
As Aoon_M is writing. The newest one is 8V0 615 301 S. These are pobably the ones on the blue saloon in the first post.
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Thanks for the info KKOG.
Four different disc since RS3 8v release... that´s mad.
Completely irrelevant, Are you Swedish? The screenshot is in Swedish :smiley:

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Nice one, thanks for sharing, interesting that there are 2 versions from May this year.

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Wonder what the is different between those two new disc?

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No probs.

Maybe all of the early saloons that has been delivered to New zeeland/Australia have the old ones.
Hopefully the European/American market is gonna have the new ones when we get our cars.
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I think the demo press cars and those people already got their FL RS3 and US dealer they have the old disc, at least those youtube clips I have seen. They have the old disc.
 
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And I think we´re having a PM-conversation in the "other" forum :D
Kenny is my name there.
 
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8V0 615 301 Q and 8V0 615 301 R are for the saloon.

8V0 615 301 P and 8V0 615 301 S are for the hatchback, see PR numbers on the parts database screenshot posted above.
 
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I think that car has the bump stops in place :)

I'm unsure to be honest.

I've heard the new TTRS + Full decat with sports exhaust. It sounded horrible. Just sounds really tinny and raspy, it's just the way it will be with these new engines in my opinion as they have an integrated exhaust manifold (I think) which dumbs the sound down.

Its all emissions BS
 
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Aoon_M said:
I think that car has the bump stops in place :)

I'm unsure to be honest.

I've heard the new TTRS + Full decat with sports exhaust. It sounded horrible. Just sounds really tinny and raspy, it's just the way it will be with these new engines in my opinion as they have an integrated exhaust manifold (I think) which dumbs the sound down.

Its all emissions BS
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Interesting, I hope that something can be done with them. Is it a larger primary cat on them to compensate? I had planned on being able to do the Secondary decat. I'm hoping a man of your genius will come across something down the line that dan improve it by adapting the exhaust. Perhaps if Audi have had to hold back, aftermarket exhausts will be better this time around? Perhaps a PFL backbox will fix all? That would be a dream if it was true haha.
 
Aoon_M said:
I think that car has the bump stops in place :)

I'm unsure to be honest.

I've heard the new TTRS + Full decat with sports exhaust. It sounded horrible. Just sounds really tinny and raspy, it's just the way it will be with these new engines in my opinion as they have an integrated exhaust manifold (I think) which dumbs the sound down.

Its all emissions BS
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I don't think they do if the pics from the tour where they were showing the differences between new motor and old. Can anyone else confirm?

https://www.motormag.com.au/features/1609/five-cool-things-about-the-new-tt-rs-engine

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"The head also incorporates an integrated exhaust manifold with its own cooling circuit, similar to VW’s new EA211 engine series. Like that smaller engine family, the EA888 isolates the coolant in the head to more quickly warm up both the engine and cabin. "
 
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"The head also incorporates an integrated exhaust manifold with its own cooling circuit, similar to VW’s new EA211 engine series. Like that smaller engine family, the EA888 isolates the coolant in the head to more quickly warm up both the engine and cabin. "
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Right, but the picture shows a turbo with an exhaust manifold on it. So...are those pictures from Audi wrong, or is that quote.
 
@AudiNutta I'd be shocked if the pre facelift backbox didn't bolt straight onto a facelift car, but I don't think thats where all the magic is happening.

Time will tell :) I'm sure exhaust companies will be able to get it to sound better.

Remember, when the TTRS 8J came out in 2009, it sounded 'ok' - but when Audi released the same engine in the RS3 in 2015, after they played with it for 6 years, they got it to sound absolutely spot on. No aftermarket exhaust will beat the sound on an RS3 with sports exhaust.

When a aluminium block 5 cylinder is rev'd up in person or in videos even it just sounds dead tinny and a bit fake to me. The Iron block 5 cylinder sounds soo much deeper. I feel this is all due to emissions etc, its happening everywhere, the M3/M4 sound horrendous for a 6 cylinder twin turbo.

I keep having dreams about me buying a TTRS 8S and swapping an iron block 5 cylinder into it... (would actually be easily done..) Thats is the dream lol. I'd buy one in a heartbeat if they came with iron block engine.
 
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@AudiNutta I'd be shocked if the pre facelift backbox didn't bolt straight onto a facelift car, but I don't think thats where all the magic is happening.

Time will tell :) I'm sure exhaust companies will be able to get it to sound better.

Remember, when the TTRS 8J came out in 2009, it sounded 'ok' - but when Audi released the same engine in the RS3 in 2015, after they played with it for 6 years, they got it to sound absolutely spot on. No aftermarket exhaust will beat the sound on an RS3 with sports exhaust.

When a aluminium block 5 cylinder is rev'd up in person or in videos even it just sounds dead tinny and a bit fake to me. The Iron block 5 cylinder sounds soo much deeper. I feel this is all due to emissions etc, its happening everywhere, the M3/M4 sound horrendous for a 6 cylinder twin turbo.

I keep having dreams about me buying a TTRS 8S and swapping and iron block 5 cylinder into it... Thats is the dream lol. I'd buy one in a heartbeat if they came with iron block engine.
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Damn, why did Audi c*** this up so much :( The reviews so far have all been negative in comparison, surely Audi are listening :(

It definitely sounds very 'artificial'. Rather than pure brutality, the exhaust note sounds like it has been tuned to sound that way and it's gutting.

Hopefully after some experimentation we will find a way to improve it, somewhat. I'd appreciate if you do hear of any developments, if you could post them here please.. I trust that you are going to be the first of all of us to hear / discover any fixes lmao!

I don't doubt for a minute that if you did make that change, it would be a flawless swap! I admire you, you really are a perfectionist and leave no stone unturned haha. Your car is a masterpiece, hopefully one day I will hear it in person because I can't begin to imagine!
 
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Right, but the picture shows a turbo with an exhaust manifold on it. So...are those pictures from Audi wrong, or is that quote.
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You're right, however I got that quote off the TT forum, an exhaust gas manifold is clearly visible so unsure. Perhaps there is some hotside cylinder head wizardry cooling going on?
 
AudiNutta said:
Damn, why did Audi c*** this up so much :( The reviews so far have all been negative in comparison, surely Audi are listening :(

It definitely sounds very 'artificial'. Rather than pure brutality, the exhaust note sounds like it has been tuned to sound that way and it's gutting.

Hopefully after some experimentation we will find a way to improve it, somewhat. I'd appreciate if you do hear of any developments, if you could post them here please.. I trust that you are going to be the first of all of us to hear / discover any fixes lmao!

I don't doubt for a minute that if you did make that change, it would be a flawless swap! I admire you, you really are a perfectionist and leave no stone unturned haha. Your car is a masterpiece, hopefully one day I will hear it in person because I can't begin to imagine!
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Thank you for the kind words, yeah I aim to do things to perfection but it sure costs me lol.

I will do for sure :) Is it the saloon or the hatch you have on order?

My advice to you would be, if its the hatch, to start off by trialing an RS3 pre fl sports exhaust system to your car, I've just had a look on the parts database and it will be a direct fit.

Something interesting to note is the RS3 hatch/saloon and TTRS all share the exact same downpipe. Aftermarket exhaust companies who make the downpipes will be cheering with joy as they only need one template.. lol.. Maybe they will actually get it right this time. Milltek and Scorpion downpipe options for pre fl RS3 are both sh*t quality and fitting. Avoid.
 
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Aoon_M said:
Thank you for the kind words, yeah I aim to do things to perfection but it sure costs me lol.

I will do for sure :) Is it the saloon or the hatch you have on order?

My advice to you would be, if its the hatch, to start off by trialing an RS3 pre fl sports exhaust system to your car, I've just had a look on the parts database and it will be a direct fit.

Something interesting to note is the RS3 hatch/saloon and TTRS all share the exact same downpipe. Aftermarket exhaust companies who make the downpipes will be cheering with joy as they only need one template.. lol.. Maybe they will actually get it right this time. Milltek and Scorpion downpipe options for pre fl RS3 are both sh*t quality and fitting. Avoid.
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I'm sure it does cost but it shows and is nice to see things being done properly and not thrown together.

I have the hatch, I wanted there to be an RS3 Saloon until I saw one.. then I decided on the hatch :lmfao:
To me the RS3 is a 'hot hatchback' and the saloon doesn't suit it, but there are some lovely looking ones circling online.

Is the PFL exhaust system something that can be easily sourced? I know you had trouble finding one for Evotion. Really we need someone to get underneath and take a closer look, to understand what could be there to hold back the exhaust note if anything.

This is what is strange, how the cars appear to have the same setup but yet sound different. The TTRS does have more pops and bangs, the Automann TV sound video shows this perfectly.


You are the custom map king, is there any way that Audi could have altered the mapping to tone down the pops and bangs? I'd have thought it is more likely a hardware adaption that has toned it back. What's interesting is how they now have the valves opening almost straight after pulling off, Audi obviously know they had to enhance the sound after the changes rather than hold back as on the PFL.

Do you plan on attending AITP this year? :D
 
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1st gear on pre-fl RS3 is always full open :) 2nd-5th gear closed till 3500rpm and 6-7 open at 2800rpm,

I like the saloon, but its not for me tbh as I feel its more suited to an older mature person lol.

PFL exhaust system is something that audi dealerships are not making available to the public for whatever reason, however I am still able to source these :)

Its certainly possible that audi have changed the mapping on the RS3 vs TTRS to accommodate less pops and bangs, I feel there may be a reason behind this however as a few months back the pre fl A45 AMG's had a software update out to lessen the pops and bangs. But then this is what confuses me a month ago there was an software update for C63 AMG saloon to ADD pops and bangs?? Doesn't make any sense.

But yes, you can add as many pops and bangs as you want on the new engine with a custom map, the engine code for TTRS and RS3 is DAZA so there are zero hardware differences between them

Its a maybe for AITP! A few friends are going, if my car doesn't go I definitely will however. :D
 
Aoon_M said:
1st gear on pre-fl RS3 is always full open :) 2nd-5th gear closed till 3500rpm and 6-7 open at 2800rpm,

I like the saloon, but its not for me tbh as I feel its more suited to an older mature person lol.

PFL exhaust system is something that audi dealerships are not making available to the public for whatever reason, however I am still able to source these :)

Its certainly possible that audi have changed the mapping on the RS3 vs TTRS to accommodate less pops and bangs, I feel there may be a reason behind this however as a few months back the pre fl A45 AMG's had a software update out to lessen the pops and bangs. But then this is what confuses me a month ago there was an software update for C63 AMG saloon to ADD pops and bangs?? Doesn't make any sense.

But yes, you can add as many pops and bangs as you want on the new engine with a custom map, the engine code for TTRS and RS3 is DAZA so there are zero hardware differences between them

Its a maybe for AITP! A few friends are going, if my car doesn't go I definitely will however. :D
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Funny you say about the Saloon, my mate in work has an S3 Saloon and I've yet to hear a positive comment on the Saloon. Those in work who don't give a toss about cars say it's an old mans car. But they love the Ara Blue, mine totally slips under the radar in Nano Grey and until he had his.. they didn't think mine was anything special.

Will have to keep that in mind then, but I will probably wait and see what developments are made before I order an exhaust system that may not make any difference.

Perhaps the 'authorities' have caught up with the manufacturers and told them to tone it down a bit. But like you said, doesn't make any sense if they increased it on the C63.

So basically to fix it, I could be looking at a remap and I didn't want to go down this route because of warranty :( I paid extra for the 5 year warranty too, would be silly to void it and I plan on keeping the car long term so the warranty is a big thing.

Well hopefully we can see your car, but otherwise I plan to be there and if you see me hanging around the S3 on stand be sure to say hello.
 
AudiNutta said:
Damn, why did Audi c*** this up so much :( The reviews so far have all been negative in comparison, surely Audi are listening :(

It definitely sounds very 'artificial'. Rather than pure brutality, the exhaust note sounds like it has been tuned to sound that way and it's gutting.

Hopefully after some experimentation we will find a way to improve it, somewhat. I'd appreciate if you do hear of any developments, if you could post them here please.. I trust that you are going to be the first of all of us to hear / discover any fixes lmao!

I don't doubt for a minute that if you did make that change, it would be a flawless swap! I admire you, you really are a perfectionist and leave no stone unturned haha. Your car is a masterpiece, hopefully one day I will hear it in person because I can't begin to imagine!
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It seems if you want the noise and drama, go PFL. If you want a lighter, faster car then go FL.
 
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It seems if you want the noise and drama, go PFL. If you want a lighter, faster car then go FL.
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I'm wondering just how much faster it is, I wouldn't have thought you could feel a huge difference in it. All depends on whether it gets the 0-60 figures of 3.5-3.7 that have been timed so far I guess.

Going to have to be FL and the challenge to make it sound better.
 
I didn't realiase the exhaust note had been toned that much down on the FL.

I am intrigued to hear one now to do a comparison for myself.

What would make Audi do this ?

It is VERY good news on the brakes though as they have been a frickin nightmare on the PFL.
 
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I'm wondering just how much faster it is, I wouldn't have thought you could feel a huge difference in it. All depends on whether it gets the 0-60 figures of 3.5-3.7 that have been timed so far I guess.

Going to have to be FL and the challenge to make it sound better.
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It's still going to sound better than its competitors so I wouldn't worry.

Had a good thrash on the way to work this morning in mine and boy does it sound good. Loud, raw and aggressive. I can see why someone said they sound like a mini Lamborghini Huracan from a distance!
 
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Half a R8 engine @D0C fact!!

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Aoon_M said:
8V0 615 301 Q and 8V0 615 301 R are for the saloon.
8V0 615 301 P and 8V0 615 301 S are for the hatchback, see PR numbers on the parts database screenshot posted above.
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Here is a photo on the new disc. There was 8V0 615 301 R on the disc and it´s brembo disc.
And what I could see it´s straight ventilation. If it's like the "old" with two left side discs, you do not see through the ventilation. Now I could see straight through it. See the photo and the clip from the link: https://www.dropbox.com/s/bn4zsoq4scytjza/IMG_4077.m4v?dl=0

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So hopefully, Audi has taken all the critic with the discs and remedied them.

Some bonus photos also when I was in place. I have to say that these Blade designs looked much better in reality. I did not like them the first time I saw from press pictures, but in this color combination titanium does not look so bad actually.

The Ara blue is really nice IRL. hard to capture in photo, have adjust the color in Photoshop.

IMG 4026 2 IMG 4033 2 IMG 4030 2 IMG 4100 1 IMG 4114 2
 
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