What would you rather have? Quattro or S Line?

Quattro you get naff all with s-line i know i should of done my homework before buying mine most quattro modles i see have more opitions added

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Whoever specced mine when new, SE suspension with bigger front brakes, wished they had got sport suspension , doesn't make sense.


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S Line.

Quattro's are far heavier, want more fuel and don't command much of a premium, if any, in the market (any more) over non quattro S Line's. Most drivers don't need quattro and personally I can only think of one situation in 12 years where I might have appreciated 4WD and that was coming out of a wet grassy field after a fireworks display!

Personally I'd rather save the weight, save the petrol, than boast a spec which I'm not really using or appreciating.

The only thing I do miss actually (which I used to have on my S3), is the quattro badge on the dash which I always thought looked good.
 
S3 Quattro system is a lot heavier than the A4 Quattro system, S3 is more complex because it uses Haldex coupling, it is 4 wheel drive but strictly speaking is mostly front wheel drive till the ECU decides it needs 4 wheel drive.

2002 S3 kerb weight is 1423 kilo's http://www.carfolio.com/specifications/models/car/?car=95502

2001 A3 kerb weight is 1180 kilo's http://www.carfolio.com/specifications/models/car/?car=257268

I couldn't pull details for 2002 A3 from the same website for some reason.

An increase in weight of 243 kilo's

2002 A4 Quattro weight is 1455 kilo's http://www.carfolio.com/specifications/models/car/?car=236467

2002 A4 1.8t weight is 1395 kilo's http://www.carfolio.com/specifications/models/car/?car=112079

An increase in weight of only 60 kilo's!

Your thoughts on the S3 hold true as the S3 is considerably heavier than the A3 by a massive 243 kilo's.

I don't think the same can be said for the B6 A4 Quattro though, only 60 Kilo's for permanent 4 wheel drive is the weight penalty is almost insignificant.
 
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Fuel:
1.8T 190bhp
Fuel consumption (economy) - combined 8.6 l/100 km.

1.8T 190bhp quattro
Fuel consumption (economy) - combined 9.4 l/100 km.

I've done 110k miles in my S Line. So 177k km.

Average pump prices over the last 10 years:
http://www.racfoundation.org/data/uk-pump-prices-over-time
http://www.speedlimit.org.uk/petrolprices.html

10 year average is just over 102p litre.

1,770(k)km X 8.6l = 15,222l of fuel burned
15,222 X 102p = £15,526 spent on fuel

In my scenario running a quattro would cost around £1500 (8.6l +10% or so) more (over +10 years). So that would be £1500 plus the additional cost of obtaining a B6 quattro +10 years ago which commanded a good couple' grand premium at the time.

Through my ownership I don't feel I can place a £3-4k value on quattro, for me personally, when I don't feel I ever missed it. However (and I know this sounds stupid) the S Line styling has been a crucial part of me keeping the car so long. It still looks modern and fresh to me. Dolphin grey and waxed, it still caches my eye in the car park every day and I love it. Quattro (on its own) would not be doing that same thing for me.

Interesting to work out anyway (and see about weight) -thanks!
 
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s3tby said:
https://www.auto-data.net/en/?f=showSubModel&modeli_id=501

Fuel:
1.8T 190bhp
Fuel consumption (economy) - combined 8.6 l/100 km.

1.8T 190bhp quattro
Fuel consumption (economy) - combined 9.4 l/100 km.

I've done 110k miles in my S Line. So 177k km.

Average pump prices over the last 10 years:
http://www.racfoundation.org/data/uk-pump-prices-over-time
http://www.speedlimit.org.uk/petrolprices.html

10 year average is just over 102p litre.

1,770(k)km X 8.6l = 15,222l of fuel burned
15,222 X 102p = £15,526 spent on fuel

In my scenario running a quattro would cost around £1500 (8.6l +10% or so) more (over +10 years). So that would be £1500 plus the additional cost of obtaining a B6 quattro +10 years ago which commanded a good couple' grand premium at the time.

Through my ownership I don't feel I can place a £3-4k value on quattro, for me personally, when I don't feel I ever missed it. However (and I know this sounds stupid) the S Line styling has been a crucial part of me keeping the car so long. It still looks modern and fresh to me. Dolphin grey and waxed, it still caches my eye in the car park every day and I love it. Quattro (on its own) would not be doing that same thing for me.

Interesting to work out anyway (and see about weight) -thanks!
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I only do between 8 and 10 thousand miles per year so really doesn't come into the equation for me. If fuel prices were a concern a diesel would be considered, but I hate diesels!
Quattro handling is outstanding, you don't have to worry about understeer or the back end trying to overtake the front end. Pulling out of a busy junction in the rain, piece of cake, none of that wheel spin nonsense either.
But hey we're all different and like different things so each to their own.


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I moved from a manual A4 to auto trans in an A6, the convenience during a long commute was worth it, but the pulling out at a junction is more about the delay with auto than with the 2 vs 4wd.
I would choose the functions of S-line over Quattro every time, if you have a short commute, buy a manual too.


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Alex jb said:
I moved from a manual A4 to auto trans in an A6, the convenience during a long commute was worth it, but the pulling out at a junction is more about the delay with auto than with the 2 vs 4wd.
I would choose the functions of S-line over Quattro every time, if you have a short commute, buy a manual too.


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Was your A4 a Quattro? I had a fed Passat manual before the Quattro and have a direct comparison, rear axle is the only difference really.


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Seems like another thread where your asking a question but won't accept an answer you don't agree with :playful:

I'd go s-line with a good set of tyres over quattro any day, as much as I'd love putting power through four wheels I'd choose a better looking model which will save fuel and additional maintenance in the long run any day unless we're talking cars with more bhp than stock in which case I'd go quattro to save the slip.

Driven a very quick quattro a8 with budget tyres and it was awful, I'm sure it would have been half decent with good tyres but regardless b6 a4's look far better with the s-line kit and tyres make a big difference. Wish mine had quattro but that's a different story as it was fine with stock power and a decent set of rubber.
 
Hmmm, think you have me mixed up with someone else I'm just sticking up for my cause. I'll give another reply later because now it's time to "fire up the Quattro" and go to work.


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  • Tyres weren't in the question Jake :wtf:stick to the script please :haha: I can't work out your answer,
  • first of all you said:I'd go s-line with a good set of tyres over quattro any day.
  • The last thing you said was:Wish mine had quattro but that's a different story as it was fine with stock power.
I'll mark you down for Quattro S Line, okay? :friends:

Alexjb, the type of junction I meant was onto a 60 mph A road where you have to be quick to get on it, I should have been more specific. In the Passat a little provocation was all it needed to spin the wheels at that junction, followed by me cursing "c'mon grip ya barsteward" but in the Quattro it just grips and goes with so little fuss, it's amazing.

Anyway that's all for now, have a good day gents :haudrauf:
 
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QuattroCalum said:
  • Tyres weren't in the question Jake :wtf:stick to the script please :haha: I can't work out your answer,
  • first of all you said:I'd go s-line with a good set of tyres over quattro any day.
  • The last thing you said was:Wish mine had quattro but that's a different story as it was fine with stock power.
I'll mark you down for Quattro S Line, okay? :friends:

Alexjb, the type of junction I meant was onto a 60 mph A road where you have to be quick to get on it, I should have been more specific. In the Passat a little provocation was all it needed to spin the wheels at that junction, followed by me cursing "c'mon grip ya barsteward" but in the Quattro it just grips and goes with so little fuss, it's amazing.

Anyway that's all for now, have a good day gents :haudrauf:
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Im with you with fwd i had a subrau impreza before my a4 b7 in the sub i could pull out foot planted no problems however my b7 which is 140bh stock with a box to 170ish the esp come on or wheels spin if i plant my foot down to pull out fast which is ****. So id deffo get quattro next time

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QuattroCalum said:
  • Tyres weren't in the question Jake :wtf:stick to the script please :haha: I can't work out your answer,
  • first of all you said:I'd go s-line with a good set of tyres over quattro any day.
  • The last thing you said was:Wish mine had quattro but that's a different story as it was fine with stock power.
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Read again Calum;
DieselJake said:
I'd go s-line with a good set of tyres over quattro any day
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DieselJake said:
unless we're talking cars with more bhp than stock
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DieselJake said:
Wish mine had quattro but that's a different story as it was fine with stock power and a decent set of rubber.
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Don't ask questions if you aren't open to answers, clearly didn't even read mine properly haha.
 
It's always going to be Quattro for me.

Since 1987, I've owned 58 (yes, fifty-eight!) Audi models. Till date, only 9 were FWD. I would never go back. If I truly want an S-Line, I would buy a Quattro version. If I already owned a Quattro n0n S-Line, and I was that attached to it, I would simply install S-Line front and rear bumpers, with the matching door blades and rear spoiler.

It's easy to replicate an S-Line model on a Quattro, not so easy or cheap to convert a FWD S-Line to AWD.
 
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It's always going to be Quattro for me.

Since 1987, I've owned 58 (yes, fifty-eight!) Audi models. Till date, only 9 were FWD. I would never go back. If I truly want an S-Line, I would buy a Quattro version. If I already owned a Quattro n0n S-Line, and I was that attached to it, I would simply install S-Line front and rear bumpers, with the matching door blades and rear spoiler.

It's easy to replicate an S-Line model on a Quattro, not so easy or cheap to convert a FWD S-Line to AWD.
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Finally someone sees the light


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The best AWD I have used by far was my old Ford sierra XR 4x4, great car for its day, but then my A4 is FWD.
 
Anybody who was driving in the late 80's has a soft spot for a fast Ford, and I still do!!
 
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Oh well each to their own I suppose, don't get me wrong I do really like my Audi but would swap it for a classic fast Ford tomorrow.
 
I can't comment on Quattro yet, but I love the look of the S-line and am excited to get it back on the road. Eventually I want to run more power than stock so the Quattro can only be a good thing with that :greyrs4: As for fuel consumption I'm really not that concerned as it's only a toy, and the B5 tdi gets 46-57mpg so that will always get used as the daily
 
I can forgive a lot for the Quattro. I always wanted a Delta Integrale but that's not an option, certainly not to hoof about in with abandon, these days! The S-Line hits the spec spot for what I paid. I do feel with the Quattro, you've got that confidence to keep going about your business in the rare occasions when the snow hits. It's not about driving at breakneck speed - although that is a big plus. I could live with lesser spec - as long as it wasn't beige or cream... or that nasty tan interior I've seen on eBay! Certainly I've seen some reasonable silver non s-line B6's with a nice set of wheels, they do the B6 styling a lot of justice and are pretty good for what they are...
 
Id go quattro ever time, the s-line is only interior parts and some badges on the outside I think.
 
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Welshquattro said:
Id go quattro ever time, the s-line is only interior parts and some badges on the outside I think.
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And springs, would like to see a comparison of S line pulling away and a Quattro pulling away from a soaking wet junction, which one would "look good".


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That would mean the S-line is 20mm lower than standard? Might find they are the same. I know the S-Line b6 was only available with the 1.8t engine.
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You say that as if 1.8t was bad?


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Quattro handling is outstanding, you don't have to worry about understeer or the back end trying to overtake the front end.
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I take it you've not driven a properly setup car? My B7 Quattro S-Line is FAR from "outstanding" when it comes to handling.

Feels like the engine is in front of the headlights 99% of the time and just wants to understeer, even with new Bridgestone S001's all round.

My old Evo on the other hand could run rings round the Audi (quite literally) all day long.

As for the original question I would go Quattro over S-Line. Adding S-Line options over time can be done, adding Quattro can't. However as I mentioned above I have a Quattro S-Line anyway, so best of both worlds.
 
Got Bridgestone on my new A6 C7 quattro and cannot wait to get rid of them, the car will move in the wet no problem but does not like the turn corners quickly, however on my A6 C6 quattro with PS4's it corners like it's on rails. Both of my car are sline quattro, as on the newer models it's not just a body kit, there is a lot of extra kit like LED headlights are standard on sline.

If I had the choice of sline body kit over quattro then I would have to chose quattro. I had a 2.0 TDi (190bhp) with stronic A6 for a month before I got my quattro and in the wet the traction control was constantly kicking in with the front wheel losing grip, with the quattro I've not seen it on once. Stop - Start on the none quattro model was also a pain in the ****.
 
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I take it you've not driven a properly setup car? My B7 Quattro S-Line is FAR from "outstanding" when it comes to handling.

Feels like the engine is in front of the headlights 99% of the time and just wants to understeer, even with new Bridgestone S001's all round.

My old Evo on the other hand could run rings round the Audi (quite literally) all day long.

As for the original question I would go Quattro over S-Line. Adding S-Line options over time can be done, adding Quattro can't. However as I mentioned above I have a Quattro S-Line anyway, so best of both worlds.
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Of course it could, it's essentially a rally car with number plates, were comparing between Sline and Quattro here.
You can convert Sline fwd to Quattro, you need, gearbox, rear diff, prop shaft, rear sub frame etc etc, it's all bolt on stuff.


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B5NUT said:
Got Bridgestone on my new A6 C7 quattro and cannot wait to get rid of them....
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What Bridgestones? The S001's on my Evo were amazing. They are also the tyres the Ferrari 458 Italia comes on out of the factory. Best tyre I've ever had were the Bridgestone RE01R's they had when the car was imported, but they don't sell them here.

Same tyres on the Audi and the car just wants to understeer.
 
This weekend I'll be running Michelin Pilot Sport 4's on lightweight wheels :rockwoot: quattro killer haha.
 
Oh great it's a thread about tyres now


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