Cheap ebay downpipes

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I've seen a few threads in the past about the cheap downpipes and cats available for the A3 and S3 on Ebay such as the one linked to below but has there ever been a definitive answer to the question of their fitment and quality? I know it is recommended to get the genuine Audi turbo to downpipe gasket. It's the fwd A3 one I am interested in.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/200CPI-ST...e=STRK:MEBIDX:IT&_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649
 
Doesn't look much of an upgrade.. its not 3"

Don't use the gasket either... get an OE one instead else you will be replacing it almost straight away

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A tuffty said, a lot of these downpipes direnza eBay specials are not 3", I've seen some "performance" ones that are 2.5".

Pipewerx is a great downpipe and it fits without issue. Cheap downpipes can often be a pig to fit and knock on various bits and pieces when driving. They're not so bad on basic downpipe designs, but the s3 one is very awkward because of the 4wd. Personally I'd just get a proven decent one like pipewerx.
 
Cheers, I was aware of the gasket issue. It's not something I was planning on doing so it's a case of if I have to replace it I may as well try and get something that's an improvement over standard and around the same price. I don't want to go down the cat delete route either.
 
As @Tuffty says don't use the gasket it comes with buy OEM.

This is what I use and it's ideal:

Look at this on eBay:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/201976880220

CAT DELETE DOWN PIPE FOR AUDI A3 TT SEAT LEON SKODA VW GOLF MK4 1.8T 20V 3"

I did look at this one and messaged them but they don't offer it with a cat. I guess I could source one seperately but that's not ideal.
 
You don't have to go decat, you can get a sports cat. From memory pipewerx is £450 delivered for 3" downpipe and 200 cell sports cat. Can't beat it for price, fitment, quality, gains in my opinion. Check them out on eBay.
 
Go decay! Better flow... keep the original exhaust in the shed and put in on the mot and take it off again! =]
 
Store an exhaust system year round for the sake of a few bhp? decat added like 5bhp on my big turbo set up, hardly worth storing an exhaust system for, even if you're not bothered about the legality. its not even like a cat you can just bolt back in, you'd have to take the whole downpipe out, drop subframe etc.
 
As pictured, proper ballache
 

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I paid 180 quid for my 3" downpipe decat off eBay for my s3 and it fitted really nice. Flange lined up with the studs on turbo, bottom hanger fitted very well. Quality seemed fine.

When I fitted an aftermarket exhaust manifold it moved the position of turbo and resulted in the dp hitting the propshaft which sucked, dp is designed to work with oe manifold so can't really complain.
 
He said its was a fwd... just 8 bolts, bam ya done. I do it every year! Hours work on my drive. Sounds schweet in comparison =]
 
Allow the 4wd I'm with you on that one...
 
You don't have to go decat, you can get a sports cat. From memory pipewerx is £450 delivered for 3" downpipe and 200 cell sports cat. Can't beat it for price, fitment, quality, gains in my opinion. Check them out on eBay.

I can't justify spending that much unfortunately. Best price I can find a standard pattern part online is around £130 and don't know how good quality they would be so may take a punt on the 2.5" one I linked to and see how I get on. The car is pretty much standard at the moment so performance gains aren't essential just thought I might be able to get something that's an improvement over the standard for a similar price.
 
You said the car is pretty much standard "at the moment", its a false economy to buy a 2.5" now when you're going to need a 3". 2.5" is pointless, all you're going to get is something shiny.

But it's up to you, I think it's money down the drain personally.
 
You said the car is pretty much standard "at the moment", its a false economy to buy a 2.5" now when you're going to need a 3". 2.5" is pointless, all you're going to get is something shiny.

But it's up to you, I think it's money down the drain personally.

That's not to say I have any major plans to do anything in the future and it's blowing at the flexi-join now so it needs to be replaced anyway.
 
Anything over a remap and it's going to be a restriction but fair dues, hopefully it fits up okay
 
I paid 180 quid for my 3" downpipe decat off eBay for my s3 and it fitted really nice. Flange lined up with the studs on turbo, bottom hanger fitted very well. Quality seemed fine.

When I fitted an aftermarket exhaust manifold it moved the position of turbo and resulted in the dp hitting the propshaft which sucked, dp is designed to work with oe manifold so can't really complain.
please send the link to what you bought?
 
please send the link to what you bought?

Bought it over a year ago so cant send you a specific link but it was just a generic China made stainless steel 3" downpipe for the 1.8t s3
 
It would be interesting to see who got what gains when they added a 3" and sports cat (or decat) to an existing stage 1 software tune. i.e to separate out what the actual gain (bang for buck) of this hardware mod is?
 
It's all about the flow with a turbo, less resistance better spool... =]
 
I replaced TIP for B5 and heat shield + cosworth S2000 filter and 3 inch downpipe (team2fast) and a few other bits and the car felt like it was running lean and hot on a stage 1 map - so I changed to an ECU apparently mapped to stage 2 (to hopefully give more fuel now it has less boost but more power and torque than the previous map) - I have now added a FMIC Welly Cooler (should have got an Airtec) but the engine is puffing a bit (end of life?)
I haven't changed the manifold I did buy a copy relentless but the fitment was appalling so I didn't bother.

but I plan on putting back the stage 1 ECU and trying to review the map as the bought ECU has an encoded map.
 
It would be interesting to see who got what gains when they added a 3" and sports cat (or decat) to an existing stage 1 software tune. i.e to separate out what the actual gain (bang for buck) of this hardware mod is?

My 2003 BAM S3 gained 12BHP / 22ftlbs with the addition of a front mount, 3" downpipe and de-cat. Confirmed on R-Tech's rollers.

The numbers only tell part of the story, the difference was night and day when driving, much more eager to rev-out with the DP and de-cat.
 
I have been trying to fit one of these XS power / relentless Chinese exhausts for the last few days on my TT. Just been doing a few hours here and there in between the rain showers.
It is without doubt the most difficult thing I have ever had to do on a car. Previous to this that was changing the gearbox from a 5 speed to a 6 speed on my Passat , changing the gearchange mechanism , New clutch and DMF along with a different starter motor and I had to fabricate a new gearbox mount as well.
What a ball ache. The main issue I have had was trying to get the original downpipe out. It just didn't want to come out. I didn't help that the braiding on the flex part of the exhaust had split, meaning it all ruffled up making the flex section wider than it should have been.
Corrosion on a 15 year exhaust system doesn't help either.
I went for this item from the Ebay seller Turbo Revs. £145
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/AUDI-S3-T...EL-EXHAUST-TURBO-DECAT-DOWNPIPE/322209643945?

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Quality looks OK. I tidied up the tube on the turbo flange. Used a rotary file in a drill to smooth it out a little.
This was it before.
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Didn't take an after picture but it looked better.
Here is the kind of thing I was contending with.
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Try and undo those nuts on the cats :) . Obviously I just got the angle grinder and hacksaw out.
Fortunately the nuts on the turbo itself were in very good nick. The subframe bolts are ridiculously tight. I would recommend removing the heatshield on the firewall only a few small screws and a nut secure it but it gives you a load more room to swing spanners etc to undo the nuts on the turbo.
Also rather than struggling with the red exhaust hanger and having it get in the way. Just undo the 2 10mm bolts on the back of the subframe and remove it out of the way.
Heres what my downpipe and cat looked like after removal.
I also took the opportunity to remove the rest of the pipes from the AC system that I have deleted, As I had the heat shield off that covered them up.

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Anyway the new pipe fits reasonably well, It has issues.
The holes on the turbo flange are slightly oversized as this allows some wiggle room up and down to position the pipe but I have found even with the end of the downpipe as low as it will go the flex is close to the tunnel and even closer to the propshaft.

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When I took the car for a drive it was fine for the first few minutes but then I think I could hear the flex rubbing on the prop. The balance weights are just really in the wrong place for me. I tried using a pry bar to improve the gap a bit but that's about as good as I could get it.

The other issue is the diameter of the decat pipe where it narrows down to fit the OE system. The OE pipe is 65mm outside diameter. The decat pipe
63.5mm , you wouldn't have thought that would make that much difference but the OE pipe clamp even fully tightened only just grips the smaller tube.

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To get around that I happen to have some 63mm steel pipe that was only 1mm thin. So cut a piece about 80mm long and then slit it. Wrapped around the decat pipe to increase the diameter to approx 65.5mm . The clamp can now grip both pipes and a solid join is made.

Bearing in mind the size of the flex and where it has to fit through I am not surprised people have issues fitting these it really is borderline.
The car may be back to the state it has been for the last few days tomorrow. Had it jacked up quite high to get some room underneath then had to get the steps to sit on top of the engine to undo the bolts on the back of the turbo.

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If anybody has any ideas on how I can improve the clearance between the flex and the propshaft that would be good.
 
I took the head off my S3 as it needed a new head gasket too and so did the timing belt and water pump - it was very easy to do the downpipe after that.

BTW did you change the dog bone mount on your TT? to stop the pipe rubbing on the prop shaft?
 
Yes I fitted a Yellow Powerflex item a few weeks ago. The OE one was well squidgy. I don't think the Dogbone would make any difference in this case as the relative distance between the propshaft and the exhaust won't change as the engine effectively swings back and forward
 
did you replace the rubber hanger post cat? and trim the sports cat / decat pipe to pull it close to the centre box?

I actually cut my downpipe hanger off because I fed the downpipe in from the top and it looks close but is tight - I think there is a tiny bit of rotation on the flange as well and the sports cat / decat is slightly bent, although it is the lowest part of the car now and scraps onto speed humps etc.
 
Simplest way of stopping rubbing is to undo the engine mounts a little and shift the while engine a few mm over . Worked a treat for me
 
Unfortunately for me it's rubbing on the propshaft and if I move the engine over the relationship between the exhaust and prop will stay the same.I have tried pulling the pipe over with a ratchet strap but it just springs back. I think I am going to have to remove the pipe and put a bit of a set in it just to move it another 5-10mm from the prop. There is currently only probably 5mm of clearance and you can see marks on the prop and a few strands of the flex have broken.
 
Anyone got an opinion on something like this?

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Stainles...138259?hash=item41fa0ea613:g:e5EAAOSwHPNa~v4Y


I have 2 OE cats, one I smashed the insides out of so as to make a home made decat. And then my cat.

So when it came to MOT time I could just swap to the one not smashed up.

Anyone ever gone with something like this before? I suspect it’s not high flow but I assume is still better than the OE design?
 
I’ve used a cheap one from Ali express before and worked just fine, quality will vary though so it’s all your risk
 
Just throwing my pennies in...

I don't see the point of these Graham, it won't be anywhere near as good as a proper 3" DP and is not worth the hassle.

Save for a full system going 3" all the way back, it's not cheap but will work out to be a much more cost effective upgrade.

Attached invoice for the work I had done, pretty good value considering... eBay DP cleared the prop shaft no problem.
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Just throwing my pennies in...

I don't see the point of these Graham, it won't be anywhere near as good as a proper 3" DP and is not worth the hassle.

Save for a full system going 3" all the way back, it's not cheap but will work out to be a much more cost effective upgrade.

Attached invoice for the work I had done, pretty good value considering... eBay DP cleared the prop shaft no problem.
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That’s extortionate
 
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That’s extortionate

I dont think it is really. My full 3” pipewerx system came in at just over a grand.

DP & decat - £450, fitted myself.

Rest of the full system (made and fitted at their site) approx £600 IIRC.

Its a work of art, quality and labour costs money.
 
I dont think it is really. My full 3” pipewerx system came in at just over a grand.

DP & decat - £450, fitted myself.

Rest of the full system (made and fitted at their site) approx £600 IIRC.

Its a work of art, quality and labour costs money.

Yep, Pipewerx are the expensive end of the spectrum.



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Is it? DP fitting and modification bumped up the cost, original quote was £650

Happy either way, still reckon a DP designed to mate to the stock cats are a waste of time
 

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