Mapping Bitdi History

My dyno session
I've tryed pushing her to the limit but everything above comes with smoke. Been happy with the results
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The power is measured at the wheels with transmission loss

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Is that right at the wheel? i know it's hard to calculate the conversion of bhp/whp but wouldnt that mean at stock its pushing around 350/370bhp at the crank? If so thats Audi being seriously reserved with their quoted figures and your tuned 420/440bhp is a serious increase so nice :D
 
nowt wrong with a bit of smoke man...lol if thats just a map with no intercooler and DPF delete I would deffo say thats engine hp and not whp
 
Forgot to mention
DPF is always off on all my remaps :)
Wagner intercooler it's on also
The car runs without smoke
(Not completely but no heavy at full throttle)
The dyno session
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Kufatec active exhaust sound module mounted on 5th preset , she's very loud

Anything above this value with competition fuel injectors only.
In the end it's a family Allroad not a drag racing car
My pug's also happy with it

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all good then, thats probblay right your pushing around the 450 mark whih is what Dp achieve with the same mods, 450 - 460 :) . Im heading over to Holland on Sunday evening to get the full monty 460 stage 3 remap for Monday morining, then hopefully home to fit WMI to squeeze an extra 15 - 20 HP out of th beast ..lol
 
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looks like a very clean burn.. my map at present which was done here in glasgow is only sub 390 and the black smoke would seriosly blind your vision if you were behind me at full boost... I guess it aint mapped just quite right.!?! :rage:.. really begining to have my doubts about them :(
 
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Bailey you're tunner did a dyno after the map? He should know best what's under it... Do you have a dyno graph?

In my case, for an extra +15hp more the smoke was heavy,the air input from the turbos was great but the fuel was not enough...
And from here the heavy smoke at every throttle, not just on kick-down

The car is not for track day ,the A6 Allroad is a big heavy car so my target was to improve the Nm torque
Now it's good enough for me

I hate the smoke and don't want to run a car which is mainly for the family weekend and holidays with smoke after it.
Wagner intercooler makes the differences in hot temperature only




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Yes I had it dyno'd after the map, I'll see if I can dig the graph out .. but yes the car is really really bad on heavy black smoke. I'm going to holland to JD Engineering this weekend to have it mapped by a specialist this time . Aiming for 460 Ian up and lower smoke hopefully :). I too hate the smoke..
 
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What's " Synod " Bailey ?
Smoke won't reduce after JD unless you mention it to them and they will reduce it but the offset is less BHP and Torque.
Soot in an invetable consequence of DPF open heart surgery. ‍♂️
 
Synod???? I'll be happy to dial it back a notch to save on smoke.. also when I come back and add the WMI that should add the extra few Hp to compensated
 
Yes " Synod " you cant spell plus have a bad memory. As long as your BHP and Torque are lower than mine i don't care smoke or not. Be good to wave good but to you in my rear mirror. :) :)
Bailey C7 said:
Synod???? I'll be happy to dial it back a notch to save on smoke.. also when I come back and add the WMI that should add the extra few Hp to compensated
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Jamie, why are you such a provocative person.. always trying to incite annoyance.. If you really want to wind me up like you have been on PM, let's meet up mate to discuss.. I'm happy to meet you where ever you like to discuss my spelling and seemingly lack of Intellect?! Where do you fancy meeting ?!?!?
 
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lets chat tomorrow Jamie.. ..!
 
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You'll have to fly to Mexico I'm out here working on a project it'll take at least 24 hrs to reach where i am it is quite remote. Im only home for a few days then away again for another few weeks. Don't take offence at a few wee jokes its only banter pal no harm meant. :)
By the the way. Lets should have had a capital letter. :)

In all seriousness if your DPF has open heart surgery you are always going to have smoke issues if the main filter has been removed. But JD can limit this by reducing the power. I had the discussion with them when i was doing mine and they asked me more power = more smoke under higher revs. I took that option. I also had the rev limiter removed, the 155 mph speed limiter and the rev limiter removed from while activating launch control allowing me to reduce the 0-60 time . If you ask them they will do this for you if you are nice to them and they like you.

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lets chat tomorrow Jamie.. ..!
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Anybody have any 0-60 times with JD stage 3 software, was thinking of making the trip to them for my SQ5. I live in hull so I can get the ferry to Rotterdam and then only 90 minute drive from the terminal at that end to JD. I've also read that the 8HP ZF gearbox can withstand 1000NM so nothing to worry about there too.
 
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Not wanting to take this OT but has anyone had a stage 1 with JD? Am I correct that stage 1 is remap without rolling road, and stage 2 is remap + rolling road?
 
I'd really like to know myself .Yes I'm the owner of 1000nm quote and that came direct after a few phine calls back and forward between JD engineering. I did this before commuting to the upgrade.
Lewbo said:
Anybody have any 0-60 times with JD stage 3 software, was thinking of making the trip to them for my SQ5. I live in hull so I can get the ferry to Rotterdam and then only 90 minute drive from the terminal at that end to JD. I've also read that the 8HP ZF gearbox can withstand 1000NM so nothing to worry about there too.
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I'd
 
rassi said:
Not wanting to take this OT but has anyone had a stage 1 with JD? Am I correct that stage 1 is remap without rolling road, and stage 2 is remap + rolling road?
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I would think JD would only do remaps on a rolling road with before and after plots. Stage1 is usually just a remap, stage2 from tuners usually require additional bits like a performance exhaust and high flow air filter with a custom map to suit.
 
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Stage 2 no engineering mods car is standard.
Stage 1 yes rolling road - it's inc in the price.
 
4 secs to 60 with just over half a tank and 2 bodies in it after stage 3.. I seen alot of cars just getting mapped without the rolling road which i believe to be stage 1, they do always take you on a test run with live VCSD running to check things.. if I were you Ide say go for it.. you certainly wont be dissapointed :)
 
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Have any of you JD clients put your 450hp cars on a independent dyno?
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no buy am very happy to do so.. what I can tell you is when JD ran the pre map dyno session it was withing 4Hp and 5nm of torque of the results I had from the current map that was on the car.. I also have no reason to doubt a very reputable company who remap cars for peope as far away as Dubai. last point to note wold be how much faster that car is and how much more grunt it has from my last supposed stage 2 remap... which funnily enough smoked like a 20 year old black taxi... I can tell you it is miles apart.. so if your looking for so called proof then I gues this is as good as your going to get.. unless you fancy paying for a dyno session somewhere or haveing your *** whipped on a track day...lol ;) if you had ever been to JD's place and seen the cars etc etc you wouldnt be questioning the results..
 
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no buy am very happy to do so.. what I can tell you is when JD ran the pre map dyno session it was withing 4Hp and 5nm of torque of the results I had from the current map that was on the car.. I also have no reason to doubt a very reputable company who remap cars for peope as far away as Dubai. last point to note wold be how much faster that car is and how much more grunt it has from my last supposed stage 2 remap... which funnily enough smoked like a 20 year old black taxi... I can tell you it is miles apart.. so if your looking for so called proof then I gues this is as good as your going to get.. unless you fancy paying for a dyno session somewhere or haveing your *** whipped on a track day...lol ;) if you had ever been to JD's place and seen the cars etc etc you wouldnt be questioning the results..
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Haha my friend I have tuned these cars and know exactly what they can do so please. I suggest you go on a accurate dyno and see what it does - or if you have VCDS make a log of vehicle speed and time stamp duration and do a 100 to 200 test and post the time with log. No need for track this should be plenty.

Don't be fooled by big names - they look at what the small guy is doing & start making their own kits. I know how this works and seen it many times.

And it seems JD and still using my picture to sell their stage 3 set up:

http://www.jdengineering.nl/3-0-tdi-313-320-bit/
Click on stage 3 and note the wagner cooler

Now look on my build thread

http://www.audi-sport.net/xf/threads/bobby-singh-a4-3-0-tdi-build-thread.248899/page-2#post-2563388

What you think same picture no? :)
 
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I will be doing a vcds session coming up for speed.
I didn't know you tuned a bitdi Bobby ? Post setup and figures would be good to see.?

I can confirm that after my session with JD engineering my car is significantly faster than my previous first tune at 386 bhp. First Tune was tuned by same shop as Bailey who told me that achieving 450 + on these engines was a fantasy and laughed when I told them about JD. They actually said that JD was lying After the Wagner Intercooler and RS6 airbox the most that shop could pull from their tune was in the 390 bhp range. They regularly tune RS6, Lambos, R8s.
I took great joy in proving them wrong. Of course my figures could be lies it's possible but the massive increase in performance isn't . Hence one of the reasons I've just spent £2k on my C7 RS6 caliper upgrades etc.
I've had my car from new from the factory for 3 years.

What year is your Bitdi ?
Have you got VCDS figures ?
 
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I will be doing a vcds session coming up for speed.
I didn't know you tuned a bitdi Bobby ? Post setup and figures would be good to see.?

I can confirm that after my session with JD engineering my car is significantly faster than my previous first tune at 386 bhp. First Tune was tuned by same shop as Bailey who told me that achieving 450 + on these engines was a fantasy and laughed when I told them about JD. They actually said that JD was lying After the Wagner Intercooler and RS6 airbox the most that shop could pull from their tune was in the 390 bhp range. They regularly tune RS6, Lambos, R8s.
I took great joy in proving them wrong. Of course my figures could be lies it's possible but the massive increase in performance isn't . Hence one of the reasons I've just spent £2k on my C7 RS6 caliper upgrades etc.
I've had my car from new from the factory for 3 years.

What year is your Bitdi ?
Have you got VCDS figures ?
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I don't have a bi turbo I said I've tuned one. My own car is a 440hp / 900nm single turbo TDI
I have approx same power as the JD claims so VCDS logs with speed should be almost the same - lets see
 
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Ah thats good. I thought you had loads of time with the BITDI engines. This impressive figures from the older 3.0 tdi single turbo. What are your VCDS figures ?
Regarding the BITDI there is a stage 4 option with larger injectors and bigger turbos. But the information on this is very thin on the ground. I spoke to JD about it when i was over there. Estimates of 550 bhp 1100 nm. But the ZF gearbox will be under tremendous strain and its part of the reason i have gone no further than i have so far.

bobby singh said:
I don't have a bi turbo I said I've tuned one. My own car is a 440hp / 900nm single turbo TDI
I have approx same power as the JD claims so VCDS logs with speed should be almost the same - lets see
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Mr AUDI said:
Ah thats good. I thought you had loads of time with the BITDI engines. This impressive figures from the older 3.0 tdi single turbo. What are your VCDS figures ?
Regarding the BITDI there is a stage 4 option with larger injectors and bigger turbos. But the information on this is very thin on the ground. I spoke to JD about it when i was over there. Estimates of 550 bhp 1100 nm. But the ZF gearbox will be under tremendous strain and its part of the reason i have gone no further than i have so far.
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This gets even better :) 1100nm?
Gearbox would be the last thing I would be worried about - they run a 8hp box
What pump will they use to supply 1100nm worth of fuel.
You do realise the bi turbo only has a R80 pump :)
Like I keep saying making claims is easy.

My logs suggest:
0 - 60 4.2s
0 - 100 9.3s
0 - 120 13.9

100 to 200km/h - 11.3's
Best 1/4 12.1@113mph

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Regarding Stage 4 I've very little info apart from the larger injectors and turbos.

Great times :)
0 - 60 4.2s
0 - 100 9.3s
0 - 120 13.9

I work away often so wont be with my car for another 2 1/2 weeks. Ive located someone with VCDS in my area and i will get to the point of testing the times. But right now i have a full Rs6 c7 c 7 Caliper set with new back plates and hoses etc etc to fit (myself). My Suspension to do. My Rs6 steering wheel and gear knob to fit and two flats to renovate ( part by myself) before i go away on holiday in early August and away abroad again for another 6-7 weeks late August. So its on my list to do the times as i really really want to see what they are but i will have to come back to you. :). Right now my cars been sitting in my driveway for the last 3 weeks.

bobby singh said:
This gets even better :) 1100nm?
Gearbox would be the last thing I would be worried about - they run a 8hp box
What pump will they use to supply 1100nm worth of fuel.
You do realise the bi turbo only has a R80 pump :)
Like I keep saying making claims is easy.

My logs suggest:
0 - 60 4.2s
0 - 100 9.3s
0 - 120 13.9

100 to 200km/h - 11.3's
Best 1/4 12.1@113mph

Your turn
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Regarding the 8HP box so far JD have not had any reported failures on the box after stage 3 with milages upto 200 k KM.

I know that the BITDI does not have the RS6 and SQ7 8HP 90 @ 1000 nm peak variant of the box. It is more likely to be the 8HP 70 @ 700 nm peak variant as the BITDI standard is 650 Nm. The 8HP70 variant is 400 nm short of 1100 nm and 212 nm short on my tune so its not guaranteed as bullet proof on 1100 nm as you suggest. Indeed Bobby making claims is easy but stats are stats. :)

Before i went ahead i did not manage to get anyone to properly confirm what variant of the 8HP was in the BITDI. Based on my conversation with JD about the lack of any reported box failures on their tunes let me hedge my bets to go ahead (within the warranty period) - i didn't want to have to fit a new box and then also detune the car and be out £5-7 k.

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What was the extent and mods on the BITDI you tuned ?
  • What did you achieve stats wise do you have read outs ?

This is good news you provide on your single turbo:)
  • @ 440 bhp 900 nm and 4.2 secs.
  • Do you have VCDS screen shots and rolling road read outs ?
  • Its not far off there BITDI stage 3 power wise but the BITDI with its sequential turbos and extra BHP/Nm, better gearbox and Quattro system will be hopefully that much faster.
  • I have Rev limit delete and Rev limit delete during launch control removed on mine which also helps push the envelope from standstill. :) :)
    bobby singh said:
    I don't have a bi turbo I said I've tuned one. My own car is a 440hp / 900nm single turbo TDI
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I have approx same power as the JD claims so VCDS logs with speed should be almost the same - lets see
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Don't worry my gearbox is only rated to 700nm by ZF - doesn't mind 900nm and I've covered 25k in it.
Yes have all the dyno's, drag strips and logs.
Like I said get some logs and times and you can compare.
My 6hp 28 is behind in tech so no LC or super quick gear changes - but I a method for taking of pretty off the line 0 to 60ft is around 1.7 's
 
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its always sad to see non believers quick to slate companies that tune cars well.. im happy to hook up and run some vcds screen shots, also happy to put it on another RR.. re your comments Bobby., what makes you think JD's rolling road is inacurate?! As I mentioned in my prev post, the pre map results were just about matching exactly to the ones I had from my last RR map here in the UK so that for sure tells me something.. I'm pretty sure a company with the reputation of JD woud not be even attempting to flunk figures as they leave their self wide open to all sorts of legal implications... also you mention you know exactly what these cars are capable of yet you have no evidence of tuning BiTdi's ?! .. I have no reason what so ever to doubt the figures achieved and if your finding that hard to believe or deal with then thats just tough.. :)
 
bobby singh said:
Haha my friend I have tuned these cars and know exactly what they can do so please. I suggest you go on a accurate dyno and see what it does - or if you have VCDS make a log of vehicle speed and time stamp duration and do a 100 to 200 test and post the time with log. No need for track this should be plenty.

Don't be fooled by big names - they look at what the small guy is doing & start making their own kits. I know how this works and seen it many times.

And it seems JD and still using my picture to sell their stage 3 set up:

http://www.jdengineering.nl/3-0-tdi-313-320-bit/
Click on stage 3 and note the wagner cooler

Now look on my build thread

http://www.audi-sport.net/xf/threads/bobby-singh-a4-3-0-tdi-build-thread.248899/page-2#post-2563388

What you think same picture no? :)
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wow, so the guys building the website didnt have a pic of a wagner intercooler and googled to find one, youl find if you google audi images etc you'l get quite a lot coming up tops from this site, also not quite sure what makes you think they are a "big company" copying "smaller companies".. they are no larger than any other UK tuner really, owned by a signle guy with a decent worskhop and good worldwide reputation, ticks all the boxes for me...... my friend ;)
 
Bailey C7 said:
wow, so the guys building the website didnt have a pic of a wagner intercooler and googled to find one, youl find if you google audi images etc you'l get quite a lot coming up tops from this site, also not quite sure what makes you think they are a "big company" copying "smaller companies".. they are no larger than any other UK tuner really, owned by a signle guy with a decent worskhop and good worldwide reputation, ticks all the boxes for me...... my friend ;)
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Whereabouts are you in the UK?
Let us know when you have some figures (vcds logs)
If not I can recommend a accurate dyno for you depending on your location.
If you understood the amount of boost and fuel required for 900nm I think you'd be shocked. Like i said the bi turbo hpfp is only a R80.
If you really want to see what your car is doing you can log mean injection, boost, railp, egt's, duration, air mass and lambda
If you need help feel free to ask.
Cheers
Bobby
 
Bobby I'm not sure why your seeking to discredit the figures of JD engineering but your welcome to waste head space on it. It seems like a fruitless exercise in nothing, thats going nowhere and producing nothing of any positive value other than try and answer some story argument you seem to be having with yourself ( envy springs to mind).

You have your car with fantastic figures and thats great . Fantastic well done.

I'm not sure what your point or problem is with people tuning BITDI's ? You'd think we had purposely gone out to massage all the figures, expertise, money spent and practical experience. :) Its pretty daft conclusion and outlook to adopt and if it wasn't for me wryly smiling at the comments you've made someone could take them as incredibly condescending, insulting and idiotic.

Talking about c o ck size (which is what the actually what the seems to be about for you) for all you know you Bobby instead of talking to some who sells fridges out of curry's you could be talking to someone who is a lead commissioning engineer and tuning Nuclear turbo generators 800 mw and large CCGT's ( look it up) 460 mw regularly from Brazil to Africa. Which is exactly what i do. Im hardly a blindly led, bumbling idiot, prone to jumping to conclusions and accepting any old ***** thats presented to me.

Once you get an A6 and a BITDI you'll have plenty of time to investigate what the realities are. Until then you can sit wondering. I have better things to do with my time than engage any more with these daft posts. Im all up for engaging in meaningful engaging honest posts but these post just aren't that.

~I started this thread to engage, discuss, learn, share and educate development of tuning these power plants. Not to shoot about my c o c k size. Your not the first know it all to tell me that it wasn't possible. Im surprised MTM, REVO or APR haven't snapped you up yet you could teach them a thing to too ? Have you thought about applying to design the new space shuttle :) :whistle2:

bobby singh said:
Whereabouts are you in the UK?
Let us know when you have some figures (vcds logs)
If not I can recommend a accurate dyno for you depending on your location.
If you understood the amount of boost and fuel required for 900nm I think you'd be shocked. Like i said the bi turbo hpfp is only a R80.
If you really want to see what your car is doing you can log mean injection, boost, railp, egt's, duration, air mass and lambda
If you need help feel free to ask.
Cheers
Bobby
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I think you guys are looking at Bobby's comments from the wrong angle

I've followed Bobby's builds over the last few years from when he had his 300bhp MK4 Golf and from what he posts, to me, he is simply curious about how and why things work and was and is always willing to share knowledge, which surely is the point of forums?? :)

You will always get differing points of view but there's no need to have a pop at someone for simply asking what some may regard as 'uncomfortable questions'

:)
 
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Can't we arranage a meet up day with a reputable tuner and rolling road company and see what our cars are pushing and to look over & appreciate all of our great cars?

I understand that figures aren't everything and if your happy with the feel of the car that is the important thing but it would clear the air a bit and might tempt more people to make the trip to Holand :)
 
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Also this is an excuse for me to finally get around to rolling road my A7 with my tuning box as my posted figures are based on the bhp/nm % increases of the last 2 cars I had these boxes attached too :p
 
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