Have you considered the alcantara seat option? Do a far better job of holding you than the leather ones do.
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Yes, have them in my current car but they don't do them in the supersport seat option which is a bit of a oversight IMO
I just Can't make my mind up!!!
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Just realised the saloon BE comes with 19 inch alloys and mag ride standard unlike the Sportback BE
That makes the price difference only £600 between the 2.
Regards original question I would go metallic and park sensors are a must.
SS seats I would leave out and autodimming mirror if you need to leave something out.
I only used the pan roof once in a year on previous car but I specced it to make the roof look black which looks amazing with the black pack.
Its also one of the few options you get money back on come trade in.
That makes the price difference only £600 between the 2.
Regards original question I would go metallic and park sensors are a must.
SS seats I would leave out and autodimming mirror if you need to leave something out.
I only used the pan roof once in a year on previous car but I specced it to make the roof look black which looks amazing with the black pack.
Its also one of the few options you get money back on come trade in.
I got told by mine that it's the on the road price, before any dealer discount or contributions!
The problem is I like the supersport seats more than metalic. I have just found a picture on the net of what my car would look like and i think i'm happy now.
S3 Saloon Black Edition, S-tronic, Brilliant Black, 5 arm 19" wheels, grey supersport seats, extended leather, rear parking sensors, auto dimming mirror and folding mirrors
Edit, this looks pretty good IMO
S3 Saloon Black Edition, S-tronic, Brilliant Black, 5 arm 19" wheels, grey supersport seats, extended leather, rear parking sensors, auto dimming mirror and folding mirrors
Edit, this looks pretty good IMO
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In that case, V spokes. Wing arms are positively retro.
What he said. How the hell a man made chemical concoction of Polyesters and Polyurethane ever became a serious substitute for genuine peeled cow hides is beyond me. I remember when plastic covered seats were reserved for van derivatives and poverty spec entry level models.
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Seeing as a lot of this thread is about keeping under the £40k, I have had a thought......
Sadly, I missed the boat - literally. Been told today that my car won't arrive in time and will definitely be charged under the new VED laws. Obviously my initial reacion was something like
Not only will I have higher tax to pay, but also it will likely impact future sale value (should it be sold prior to 6th year).I got thinking, in terms of future value will it actually make a difference? And what I mean is this..... yes my car will have the higher tax subsidy to pay for a few years, but it will have that for a reason - the higher spec. So if someone is looking for an s3 with certain options, they will have no choice on the tax (forgetting the choice of a FL car registered prior to the change).
So yes, they will be able to choose a car which will be under the £40k list price but the options on it reflect that.
Am I making ANY sense at all? Is there a chance that since I've been told the news I suffered a stroke?
The upper figure for the BE S3 S-Tronic Saloon is £40,559 ROTR to fit within the £40k banding
I have a BE S3 S-Tronic Saloon on order with the Supersports and the Tech pack high for the VC. I think the VC on the facelift is a must, it's what sets it apart from the pre facelift car. Supersports look a lot better than the standard seats and far more supportive in my opinion.
If you spec both of those, the price comes in at £40,550 so you need to spec it with solid paint in order to beat the VED.
The first year tax from April is £500, (Up from £180) and the first reg fee is £60. These are deductible from the ROTR price to generate a 'list price' to suit the governments recommendation. That's why the figure is £40,559 which brings the car down to £39,999 list.
That extra may help you a little if you have believed it to be based on the old first year tax band (£180) instead of the new 17/18 band (£500)
I have been over and over this with my dealer who have had this from head office.
If you go over £40k list price, your car will be a pig to sell, it will plummet in value on the 2nd hand car market after 12 months. Used buyers will filter £40k cars out to save on the £310pa x 5yrs 'fine' that they will have to pay.
I have a BE S3 S-Tronic Saloon on order with the Supersports and the Tech pack high for the VC. I think the VC on the facelift is a must, it's what sets it apart from the pre facelift car. Supersports look a lot better than the standard seats and far more supportive in my opinion.
If you spec both of those, the price comes in at £40,550 so you need to spec it with solid paint in order to beat the VED.
The first year tax from April is £500, (Up from £180) and the first reg fee is £60. These are deductible from the ROTR price to generate a 'list price' to suit the governments recommendation. That's why the figure is £40,559 which brings the car down to £39,999 list.
That extra may help you a little if you have believed it to be based on the old first year tax band (£180) instead of the new 17/18 band (£500)
I have been over and over this with my dealer who have had this from head office.
If you go over £40k list price, your car will be a pig to sell, it will plummet in value on the 2nd hand car market after 12 months. Used buyers will filter £40k cars out to save on the £310pa x 5yrs 'fine' that they will have to pay.
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Sorry Steelster, your car will be a pig to sell on the 2nd hand car market after 12 months I am afraid.
A black edition model already has a good spec, you can add in the must have VC and still come in under the £40k band.
Realistically who will want to buy an S3 with a £450pa tax bill when they can look at other S3's with very similar spec with a £140pa tax bill?
Personally, i would filter out the £40k+ cars and dismiss them all for this particular car. An S3 is not worth £450 tax for 5yrs. Fair enough on a higher end model but not an S3.
My opinion only for what it's worth but I could see a high majority 80%+ dismissing £40k+ cars too. Even more so at 2-3yrs old when the car is only worth £20k to them.
A black edition model already has a good spec, you can add in the must have VC and still come in under the £40k band.
Realistically who will want to buy an S3 with a £450pa tax bill when they can look at other S3's with very similar spec with a £140pa tax bill?
Personally, i would filter out the £40k+ cars and dismiss them all for this particular car. An S3 is not worth £450 tax for 5yrs. Fair enough on a higher end model but not an S3.
My opinion only for what it's worth but I could see a high majority 80%+ dismissing £40k+ cars too. Even more so at 2-3yrs old when the car is only worth £20k to them.
So to clarify, is the list price on the online configuration tool based on pre or post April 1st VED figures? I thought it was based on the old figures so in effect giving you £240 to play with
Just looked in line in it clearly states old rates so suoersport seats + tech pack advanced takes you over the £40k mark by £310.
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The list price of the car for VED purposes includes list price of standard car, plus options, plus delivery charge, plus number plates.
The ROTR price adds on the first year VED and the registration fee. These two are deductible.
From Saturday first year VED rises from £180 to £500. This means that the upper price for an S3 sits at £40,559 as the £500 + £60 first reg fee and deductible.
The ROTR price adds on the first year VED and the registration fee. These two are deductible.
From Saturday first year VED rises from £180 to £500. This means that the upper price for an S3 sits at £40,559 as the £500 + £60 first reg fee and deductible.
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The OTR cost adds the VED and the registration fee (in the eyes of the DVLA) Page 6
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploa...form-webinar-presentation-10-january-2017.pdf
"The list price is the price on the day before the date on which the vehicle will be taxed and registered for the first time"
In addition, on Audi's own website, they state "Vehicles with a list price exceeding £40,000 (Including factory options, delivery charge, number plates and VAT)
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploa...form-webinar-presentation-10-january-2017.pdf
"The list price is the price on the day before the date on which the vehicle will be taxed and registered for the first time"
In addition, on Audi's own website, they state "Vehicles with a list price exceeding £40,000 (Including factory options, delivery charge, number plates and VAT)
Exactly so the price quoted for your options including first ref fee and first years tax is £40,550. So if the first reg fee is £55 and tax £185 at current rates then it puts the car at £40,310. The only way it will work is if the ROTR price remains the same after April 1st so in effect reducing the list price by the first Reg and tax difference pre to post April 2017
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If you spec a BE S-Tronic Saloon on the Configurator at the moment with Tech pack high, and SS seats and brilliant black solid paint, the ROTR price comes in at £40,550.
You are then allowed to deduct £560 from that ROTR price for the DVLA's 'list price'
The ROTR price may well change from Saturday to reflect the new £500 first year VED charge yes but if you have already agreed figures then the dealers take that hit.
I have been over and over this one with my Audi dealer and head office.
In addition, if your order was pre Jan 10th, the price of the car will be £475 cheaper than it is on the Configurator now. Audi increased their prices on their entire range 10th January. (S3 saloon was +£475)
I hope your right but it's based on the list price the day before your car is registered. I think your just into the higher tax bracket already? The only hit the dealer takes is the increase in the first years road tax which is co2 based
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I see what you are saying, I have it in writing that my car will come in at under £40k for VED purposes so if it somehow comes to me in the middle of May with a £40k+ figure on the V5, the car will be getting rejected and I'll be kicking up a stink.
The ROTR price on the Configurator may already reflect the £500 VED charge, I am not sure. I do know prices increased on the Configurator Jan 10th by £475 though. (Part of this may be the increased VED considering it would be impossible to order one after Jan 10th and have it delivered before 1st April)
Guess we will wait and see. I'll check the Configurator Sunday to make sure.
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Exactly, Sunday will reveal all. I hope your right and I'm wrong but I have a feeling that your dealer, as mine, is not that clued up. I have it confirmed in writing that the first years co2 based road tax increase is covered by them but the list price is in the lap of the gods till registration day.
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I hope not Ad72.
I must agree that it took me about 2wks to get an answer, at first my dealer didn't have a clue, the sales manager and all the sales staff did not know the answer. I then emailed Audi for an answer and then received written confirmation from head office that my car would come in under £40k for that spec.
You quite rightly point out though that should the list price move on Saturday / Sunday to reflect the additional £320 VED charge then there's nothing Audi would be able to do with that. DVLA get you on the list price.
I have a sneaky suspicion though that as the prices were adjusted Jan 10th across the board, this may have had something to do with the upcoming VED changes. I suspect (and hope) that is the case but yes I'll be looking in again Sat/Sun for assurance.
I must agree that it took me about 2wks to get an answer, at first my dealer didn't have a clue, the sales manager and all the sales staff did not know the answer. I then emailed Audi for an answer and then received written confirmation from head office that my car would come in under £40k for that spec.
You quite rightly point out though that should the list price move on Saturday / Sunday to reflect the additional £320 VED charge then there's nothing Audi would be able to do with that. DVLA get you on the list price.
I have a sneaky suspicion though that as the prices were adjusted Jan 10th across the board, this may have had something to do with the upcoming VED changes. I suspect (and hope) that is the case but yes I'll be looking in again Sat/Sun for assurance.
I don't think it will make you struggle to sell the car, not in a million years!!!
Anybody looking to spend this kind of money on a car, on an S series car like this would take it on the chin surely, I would for the right spec!! If you were talking about your average person looking for a car (will never happen with an S3) then fair enough.
Sorry, but £200+ extra a year would not stop me from buying the car of my dreams.
Does this mean my sub £40k car is going to sky rocket in price? Happy days. In our dreams.
Anybody looking to spend this kind of money on a car, on an S series car like this would take it on the chin surely, I would for the right spec!! If you were talking about your average person looking for a car (will never happen with an S3) then fair enough.
Sorry, but £200+ extra a year would not stop me from buying the car of my dreams.
Does this mean my sub £40k car is going to sky rocket in price? Happy days. In our dreams.
Why would a sub £40k car rocket in price? No.
A £40k+ car will however be less desirable to a large proportion of the market that it will struggle to hold onto its value in the same way.
After 12 months, the car will be worth £30k,
After 24 months, the car will be worth £25k
After 36 months, the car will be worth £20k
After 48 months, the car will be worth £17k
After 60 months, the car will be worth £13k
After 72 months, the car will be worth £10k
You then revert back to the standard £140 tax at this point.
Are you trying to tell me that as a prospective buyer 12/24/36/48/60/72 months down the line when the car is valued at nowhere near £40k and the buyer is paying nowhere near £40k that they won't be put off by the higher VED bandings?
So if at 2yrs old, 2 S3's on the same forecourt, pretty much identical in spec bar something daft like advanced key and reversing camera and the buyer has the choice of paying £450 per year or £140, that he/she would not opt for the £140 car? It's not an extra £200 a year it's an extra £310 as it stands today. Over a typical 3-4yr term an extra £1000+ in tax. We all hate paying tax, and you are trying to tell me that when searching the market for a used S3 that you would happily pay £1000+ extra over your term because the car you are looking at has a reversing camera over the cheaper tax car?
I think that's extremely naive and hopeful of you. Of course they will, who wants to pay £450pa on tax for 5-6yrs for a 2nd hand car that is priced nowhere near £40k when they purchase?
I wouldn't mind paying £450pa tax on a higher end car. An S3 is not a dream car, it's a tarted up A3 series (A3 being at the lower end in the Audi range) In 3-4yrs there will likely be a new model A/S3 range, it may be fairly desirable now but it won't be a few years down the line.
It's £450pa this year in 2017, this will likely rise year on year the same way the tax bands do now every year.
Realistically, what % of S3's will have a list price over £40k, 5-10% of the S3 market?
Just my opinion but can see at least 80% of the used car market completely disregarding £40k+ once upon a time listed cars. Given the choice, I'd rather pay £140 over £450 and for that reason, on an S3 where the bandings are very close, I'd have the £40k list price tick box filtered out in my search as I'm sure the majority of us would. Naive and hopeful thinking otherwise.
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If certain options are a must I can't see people being put off too much, people buy Golf R32's which are currently £500 a year to tax and that's from 2006 to end of line.
If it's a car people want with the options they want, they'll pay it. On a used 3 year PCP deal they'll only be paying the higher tax for 2 years so in the grand scheme of things not a huge amount.
The options you've exampled wouldn't be a deal breaker for a lot of people, I didn't go overboard with mine and yet it's a £42k car now.
If it's a car people want with the options they want, they'll pay it. On a used 3 year PCP deal they'll only be paying the higher tax for 2 years so in the grand scheme of things not a huge amount.
The options you've exampled wouldn't be a deal breaker for a lot of people, I didn't go overboard with mine and yet it's a £42k car now.
later in the year wheYes but there isn't an option of an R32 with £140 tax so your example is not comparable. They buy an R32 because it's an R32, the tax element is a moot point as they have no choice but to pay the £500. On a used 3yr PCP deal, they would have to pay higher tax for 3yrs due to tax not being transferrable now, 0-12,12-24 and 24-36.
90% of S3's in the used car search box will naturally fall below £40k and prospective buyers will have a choice whether they pay £140 or £450, only the very top end S3's will breach the £40k banding, that is an S3 S-Tronic Black Edition car with further options or a heavily optioned non BE car.
I only pay £280pa on my RS6 with a list price of £90k, it may just me being stubborn but £450pa on a 2.oT S3 is taking the pi**
On another point, I have just spotted this on the online configurator so there will be an increase to the ROTR price on Saturday...
As my own car is currently listed at £40,550 ROTR on the configurator with the Tech Pack advanced and Supersports, this had me panicked a little so I've just went through all my emails from Audi to make sure and as I ordered before 10th January, I beat the £475 increase on the S3 Saloon so my current ROTR price comes in at £40,075. This will rise by £320 on Saturday to reflect the new VED band which will put my car up to £40,395. Minus the £560 from the first year tax and the reg fee, this gives me a list price for VED purposes of £39,835. I have it in writing from Audi that my car will dip under so fairly confident that it will now based on the above. Will have to wait and see but I'll genuinely reject the car should it come in at over £40k when its delivered in May and order up an RS3 Saloon later in the year instead. There will be no choice on an RS3 Saloon, but there is on an S3 Saloon.
90% of S3's in the used car search box will naturally fall below £40k and prospective buyers will have a choice whether they pay £140 or £450, only the very top end S3's will breach the £40k banding, that is an S3 S-Tronic Black Edition car with further options or a heavily optioned non BE car.
I only pay £280pa on my RS6 with a list price of £90k, it may just me being stubborn but £450pa on a 2.oT S3 is taking the pi**
On another point, I have just spotted this on the online configurator so there will be an increase to the ROTR price on Saturday...
As my own car is currently listed at £40,550 ROTR on the configurator with the Tech Pack advanced and Supersports, this had me panicked a little so I've just went through all my emails from Audi to make sure and as I ordered before 10th January, I beat the £475 increase on the S3 Saloon so my current ROTR price comes in at £40,075. This will rise by £320 on Saturday to reflect the new VED band which will put my car up to £40,395. Minus the £560 from the first year tax and the reg fee, this gives me a list price for VED purposes of £39,835. I have it in writing from Audi that my car will dip under so fairly confident that it will now based on the above. Will have to wait and see but I'll genuinely reject the car should it come in at over £40k when its delivered in May and order up an RS3 Saloon later in the year instead. There will be no choice on an RS3 Saloon, but there is on an S3 Saloon.
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This will be the quote you mention. I felt it needed clearer clarification than what was posted on gov.uk so emailed them.
Hi Tom,
If your new car is registered on or after the 1 April 2017 it will fall under the new car tax rules.
The list price is the manufacturers quoted price for the vehicle the day before the vehicle is first registered. It is not the list price at the point of ordering.
It includes options fitted by the manufacturer before delivery. It includes the delivery charge, the cost of the pre delivery inspection and VAT. It does not include an warrantees, options fitted by the dealer and the cost of the first registration fee and the first licence.
It's important to note that the manufacturers list price is the price before any incentives or discounts so may not be what is paid for the vehicle.
I hope that helps let me know if you need any more information
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Personally, if I wasn't fussed about ordering an RS3 over an S3 then I'd be holding out for the RS3 regardless of tax.
Just emailed my spec to the dealer, I've added nothing to my original spec so the figures remain. I was going to add folding mirrors but it's not a big car and I don't need the feature. So finally going with a BE S3 s-tronic saloon in brilliant black, v spoke alloys, grey supersport seats, extended leather and auto dimming mirror.
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Thanks for your input Tom,
With an increase of £320 for the additional VED band coming on Saturday (According to the Audi website) that would put my car spec at a new ROTR price of £40,870 on the configurator.
I am now very confused as, as you and Ad72 quite rightly state, the DVLA will take the list price on the day before registration. In my example that would be £40,870 minus the £560 for tax and registration fee meaning I would break the £40k barrier by £310.
I have had it cleared by my dealer and Audi HQ that my car will fall below £40k though, numerous emails, phone calls etc and assurances as I have made quite a fuss about it since I placed my order in January. For me, what would be the point in going £310 over budget only to incur an additional £1550 in road tax. Makes no sense.
The way Helen above has worded her response, the back end figures and the old list prices etc, don't seem to matter, it's the price on the day before registration regardlessof any agreed list prices that you may have previously agreed with the dealer.
Hmmm, this is not good news for me and will end up in a rejected car even after their assurances. If this turns out to be the case, I will not be a happy bunny. I'll give them a call on Monday again when all should be clearer.
Thanks for your input guys.
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Just thought I'd chip in here...
Example; two 3 year old S3's for sale, one was registered on the 31/03/17, the other on 01/04/17, both with a list of £40k+.
If they were both priced and specced identically, then in the subsequent 3 years of ownership the price difference is £795 (3 x £185 to pay, or 3 x £450).
If they were both registered in April, but one was <£40k list, then in the subsequent 3 years of ownership the price difference is £910 (3 x £140 to pay, or 3 x £450).
At a price point of £20k (rough cost of 3 year old S3), I'm quite confident that in any selling scenario (private or trade) there is at least £910 of leeway, so I really don't think it's a big issue at all.
In the second scenario, the >£40k car is obviously higher spec too and - whilst also no doubt priced accordingly on the used market - the tax surcharge IS easier to swallow when you're getting a 'better' car.
Personally, there are some items that I simply wouldn't buy a car without - e.g. Advanced Key - so would be willing to pay extra for on the used market, both in terms of the actual car price and the tax surcharge. So I certainly wouldn't filter out the (original list price of) £40k+ cars. Hopefully somebody willing to spend ~£20k on a 3 year old car wouldn't be overly put off by < £1000 for their perfect car.
Example; two 3 year old S3's for sale, one was registered on the 31/03/17, the other on 01/04/17, both with a list of £40k+.
If they were both priced and specced identically, then in the subsequent 3 years of ownership the price difference is £795 (3 x £185 to pay, or 3 x £450).
If they were both registered in April, but one was <£40k list, then in the subsequent 3 years of ownership the price difference is £910 (3 x £140 to pay, or 3 x £450).
At a price point of £20k (rough cost of 3 year old S3), I'm quite confident that in any selling scenario (private or trade) there is at least £910 of leeway, so I really don't think it's a big issue at all.
In the second scenario, the >£40k car is obviously higher spec too and - whilst also no doubt priced accordingly on the used market - the tax surcharge IS easier to swallow when you're getting a 'better' car.
Personally, there are some items that I simply wouldn't buy a car without - e.g. Advanced Key - so would be willing to pay extra for on the used market, both in terms of the actual car price and the tax surcharge. So I certainly wouldn't filter out the (original list price of) £40k+ cars. Hopefully somebody willing to spend ~£20k on a 3 year old car wouldn't be overly put off by < £1000 for their perfect car.
I agree if there was a silly option that took it £200 over the threshold. But people who spec cars to £43-£47k, the spec you get with that car is going to be worth paying the extra tax for, no?
Sure a car sub £40k is a plus that it is in the cheaper tax band, but if the buyer wants such a spec then they will pay the tax no quibbles.. it will be the choice between a low specification or high specification car. Not that you can't get a decent spec S3 for sub £40k.
I really don't think it is going to effect pricing, I doubt Audi are going to offer less to the person with the car that had an invoice of £40,020 compared to the person with the £39,995 car.
If you are looking at a car with near identical spec, yes we would pick the lesser tax band but when going from one end of the scale to the other, no I don't think it will matter.
The original post suggested that the majority of cars over £40k would struggle to be sold. That leaves all of us looking at the RS3 FL stuck if that's the case.
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Any one got an idea (or a list) of what all can and can't be retro-fitted?
Got myself looking at a new S3 SB Black Edition, 19" V Spoke, Mag ride, Advanced Key, Tango Red, Hill Hold, SS Seats, black roof rails....also fancy the rear parking sensors and folding mirrors, this will obviously push it above the 40K mark. But quite fancy seeing what else is available retro-fitted? or maybe perform some juggling to keep it under the 40k mark and still have extra options.
Got myself looking at a new S3 SB Black Edition, 19" V Spoke, Mag ride, Advanced Key, Tango Red, Hill Hold, SS Seats, black roof rails....also fancy the rear parking sensors and folding mirrors, this will obviously push it above the 40K mark. But quite fancy seeing what else is available retro-fitted? or maybe perform some juggling to keep it under the 40k mark and still have extra options.
Rear parking sensors can easily be fitted by the dealer or a specialist. I was going for a BE saloon but decided I preferred the looks of the standard S3. I was also able to add a few more goodies and stay below the £40k list price. Remember you need to take the reg fee and first years road tax off the 'on the road price'. PCP deals aren't as good on the standard S3 so an equivalent S3 is costing me around £15/ month more than the same spec BE.
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