Tailgaters

4K · Feb 25, 2017

So, had my car detailed the other day, so the S3 badge was visible again after the filthy weather/grit/dust/dirt etc had been hiding it for the past 6 months.

Now, normally after the S3 badge is visible again, I notice a difference in the distance the cars behind give me. However, there's always categories of drivers which never seem to back off. Most noticeably:

- Fiesta chavs
- BMW 116D/118D bints,
- Middle aged/old incompetents in Skoda's
- Women who don't know the difference between a fast/slow car.

I seem to get tailgated more and more regularly now, and it's become more apparent over the past year. Through villages, I'll drive no more than the speed limit for example, yet it never seems to be fast enough for these imbeciles.

Just wondering how many of you get tailgated on a regular basis by morons? I've already had two people go into the back of the car in the past year or so, and so it's made me extra paranoid about the distances between the bumper and said car.

I'm considering getting a rear dashcam and sending some footage off to the rozzers, as it's getting a bit silly now.

jaypers777 · Feb 25, 2017

Drive properly/normally (as you should) and they get bored. I get it now and again, and it tends to be young guys in s**t cars. Annoying that there is never a copper around when you want one.

MikeSel^ · Feb 25, 2017

Rear dashcam sounds like a good idea, or a oil slick/nail dropping machine?

GSB · Feb 25, 2017

jaypers777 said:
Drive properly/normally (as you should) and they get bored. I get it now and again, and it tends to be young guys in s**t cars. Annoying that there is never a copper around when you want one.

They never do anything around here anyway. I've seen morons undertaking marked police cars and they've done nothing. I had a skip lorry tailgating me yesterday morning. 50mph avg speed zone, I was in lane 3 at a fraction over 50, overtaking slower traffic in lane 1&2 who were suffering speedo paranoia due to the fully marked Police X5 in lane 2 that I'd just gone past. Skip lorry was tailgating me, flashing his lights at me...

Police, as usual, did nothing... it does make you wonder just how bad you need to be to get a pull.

4K · Feb 25, 2017

jaypers777 said:
Drive properly/normally (as you should) and they get bored. I get it now and again, and it tends to be young guys in s**t cars. Annoying that there is never a copper around when you want one.

So I do, and they tend to just get closer and closer, to the point where you either brake test them, or pull over if that's even possible on the stretch of road you're on at the time.

Matchman54 · Feb 25, 2017

I slow down to 10mph below the speed limit and see them fuming in the mirror. I just move over on the motorway lifes too short without being killed by idiots .

4K · Feb 25, 2017

Matchman54 said:
I slow down to 10mph below the speed limit and see them fuming in the mirror. I just move over on the motorway lifes too short without being killed by idiots .

See, this is it. We have a very slow speed limit on the motorway as is, and as far as I'm concerned, it should be a very safe place to be, but due to the driving distances left, it isn't. Compare it to Germany where the autobahn has no speed limit, and you feel a lot safer when you're over there due to the respect given to other cars. Cars move over properly, indicate properly, leave good distances. Police care more about tailgating there than any other offence.

We have it completely backward here.

GSB · Feb 25, 2017

brake test them

I slow down to 10mph below the speed limit and see them fuming in the mirror.

This sort of thing, whilst undeniably satisfying, is exactly the sort of thing that so often leads to this;

http://www.audi-sport.net/xf/thread...let-alone-audi-drivers-no-good-at-all.313072/

4K said:
See, this is it. We have a very slow speed limit on the motorway as is, and as far as I'm concerned, it should be a very safe place to be, but due to the driving distances left, it isn't. Compare it to Germany where the autobahn has no speed limit, and you feel a lot safer when you're over there due to the respect given to other cars. Cars move over properly, indicate properly, leave good distances. Police care more about tailgating there than any other offence.

We have it completely backward here.

You're not wrong. It seems that unless it can be enforced by a camera or generate a quick easy revenue, it doesn't get enforced at all. We even introduce new laws and then fail to educate and enforce them, like the middle lane law - introduced in 2013 to make lane hogging a careless driving offence, just 135 prosecutions had taken place up to sept 2016. Compare that to the Gunnersbury avenue speed camera in London, which issues that many tickets in a single day.

S32B · Feb 25, 2017

4K said:
I'm considering getting a rear dashcam and sending some footage off to the rozzers, as it's getting a bit silly now.

Reminds me of a heart in mouth moment I had last year!

I'd stopped and noticed he hadn't seen I was stopped!!! Managed to pull forward a few inches right at the end lol.

Tom.H · Feb 25, 2017

I remember seeing a car indicating to turn right at a no right turn which is signposted as such with a police car sat behind it, car turned, police car carried on…

GSB · Feb 25, 2017

Tom.H said:
I remember seeing a car indicating to turn right at a no right turn which is signposted as such with a police car sat behind it, car turned, police car carried on…

Typical. To much of the enforcement has now been adopted by local authorities now too, which leads to issues of conflicting interests, lack of competence, and what ends up amounting to demanding money with menaces. I got a ticket the other day for stopping in a yellow box junction in Enfield. Accompanied by a letter with a link to video footage of my transgression (yup, I definitely stopped ) was a demand for a £130 fine, cut to £65 if paid with x number if days, or increasing to £190 if I contested it and lost.

This last bit is frankly disgusting, especially when you consider that the monkey who'd sent me the ticket had never read the Highway Code, and certainly didn't seem to have read rule 174. As a result these halfwits essentially targeted me in the knowledge that if ignorant of the law they are supposedly enforcing, I'd simply pay up. ******** to that, I contested it.

No wonder people have no respect for driving standards.

DrMal · Feb 25, 2017

GSB said:
Typical. To much of the enforcement has now been adopted by local authorities now too, which leads to issues of conflicting interests, lack of competence, and what ends up amounting to demanding money with menaces. I got a ticket the other day for stopping in a yellow box junction in Enfield. Accompanied by a letter with a link to video footage of my transgression (yup, I definitely stopped ) was a demand for a £130 fine, cut to £65 if paid with x number if days, or increasing to £190 if I contested it and lost.

This last bit is frankly disgusting, especially when you consider that the monkey who'd sent me the ticket had never read the Highway Code, and certainly didn't seem to have read rule 174. As a result these halfwits essentially targeted me in the knowledge that if ignorant of the law they are supposedly enforcing, I'd simply pay up. ******** to that, I contested it.

No wonder people have no respect for driving standards.

Were you turning right with your exit clear?

GSB · Feb 25, 2017

DrMal said:
Were you turning right with your exit clear?

You don't absolutely need to have a clear exit if you're turning right.

Audi Bairn · Feb 25, 2017

I can only talk for my experiences but I find it's less to do with the make of car (mine or theirs) and more to do with the individual. Most of them are just incompetent and completely unaware that they're too close and the odd one does it deliberately because they're born to be an a-hole.

When this happens I'm not always that tolerant admittedly. I either skoosh the window washers to see if they take the hint, then slow down lower than the limit and if that fails it's defcon 2 (brake testing) which I agree is not a brilliant idea. Last I've it was an ASDA lorry I was doing 32 in a 30 and he appeared from nowhere right up my chuff. Ended up slowing to to 10 eventually then flooring it as when got to the 60 limit and as he was fully loaded I never saw him again.

gamegenie · Feb 25, 2017

I get annoyed with drivers who stop too close behind another car at stops. You're suppose to leave a quarter of car distance from the vehicle in front of you not be right on the *** of the car in front.
I got bumped by such an incompetent female-driver recently, but I was blessed in that the impact only ended being a hardly visible mark in the clear coat that I could no longer recognize after a trip through an automatic wash.

Karen O' · Feb 25, 2017

I had an incident on the motorway a few weeks ago were i was over taking a few cars on a 2 lane stretch, i was doing a 70-75mph. As i was passing the second car of 3 cars some tosser in a clio came flying up behind me flashing his lights and tailgating really close. So what did i do? Slowed down and drove beside the car i was overtaking just to annoy the clio driver

Yes i know i shouldnt have done it and yes i know i should have just overtaken and then pulled into the inside lane but the giy was being a complete **** so it had to be done. I eventually pulled over when my exit was coming up and the clio sped past at least 90mph. Its these twats that cause accidents on the road with their "my cars better than your car" and " look how fast i can drive" attitude. He proceeded to stare as he passed by me with the girlfriend on the passenger seat. Obviously trying to impress her but really all he was doing was putting her life at risk

GSB · Feb 25, 2017

gamegenie said:
I got bumped by such an incompetent female-driver recently, but I was blessed in that the impact only ended being a hardly visible mark in the clear coat that I could no longer recognize...

@gamegenie cares about his car...

gamegenie said:
after a trip through an automatic wash.

...or maybe not.

Did the automatic car wash remove the rest of the clear coat to match?

azibux1 · Feb 25, 2017

GSB said:
@gamegenie cares about his car...

...or maybe not.

Did the automatic car wash remove the rest of the clear coat to match?

I cringed when I read it lol

gamegenie · Feb 25, 2017

GSB said:
@gamegenie cares about his car...

...or maybe not.

Did the automatic car wash remove the rest of the clear coat to match?

LOL, possibly. or maybe it added more swirls to it so that I couldn't notice it afterwards.

My car is OptiCoat Pro+ coated so it can endure an automatic wash every once in awhile.

Simonb1975 · Feb 25, 2017

Funnily enough, before i had the s3 i distinctivley noticed more audi's tailgating my focus st than others. Usually dispatched with a right foot blast. Guess audi drivers respect other audis more or something.

4K · Feb 25, 2017

gamegenie said:
I get annoyed with drivers who stop too close behind another car at stops. You're suppose to leave a quarter of car distance from the vehicle in front of you not be right on the *** of the car in front.
I got bumped by such an incompetent female-driver recently, but I was blessed in that the impact only ended being a hardly visible mark in the clear coat that I could no longer recognize after a trip through an automatic wash.

This is what happened to me. I was hit at 5-10mph, as I was stopped, and she rolled into me, not paying attention.

Having had a new bumper, gloss back trim and new diffuser 3 months earlier from another hit on the M25 from a rookie driver, I was, naturally fuming. I couldn't see any damage to the clearcoat, possibly because of the GTechniq on the car, but ****** it, I made a claim against her anyway and made sure she paid for a brand new respray and new gloss trim again. She swore blind that she wasn't checking her phone, even though I'm pretty confident that she was.

4K · Feb 25, 2017

Simonb1975 said:
Funnily enough, before i had the s3 i distinctivley noticed more audi's tailgating my focus st than others. Usually dispatched with a right foot blast. Guess audi drivers respect other audis more or something.

I usually respect anything fast on the road. I find Focus ST/RS drivers to be rather decent actually. A45 AMG drivers tend to be ***** however.

I did see a Bentley Contintental GT doing some rather high end speeds the other day against a Ford Focus 1.6 diesel, and struggling to shake him off. The ford wasn't letting him in as the dual carriageway merged. Pretty embarassing to watch.

4K · Feb 25, 2017

GSB said:
This sort of thing, whilst undeniably satisfying, is exactly the sort of thing that so often leads to this;

http://www.audi-sport.net/xf/thread...let-alone-audi-drivers-no-good-at-all.313072/

You're not wrong. It seems that unless it can be enforced by a camera or generate a quick easy revenue, it doesn't get enforced at all. We even introduce new laws and then fail to educate and enforce them, like the middle lane law - introduced in 2013 to make lane hogging a careless driving offence, just 135 prosecutions had taken place up to sept 2016. Compare that to the Gunnersbury avenue speed camera in London, which issues that many tickets in a single day.

Well it's a cash cow case, just like the councils charging excessively for council owned parking in order to subsidise the drop in funding they've received from central govt in their coffers.

Audi Bairn · Feb 25, 2017

I usually respect anyone on the road irrespective of what they're driving or who they are.
It's when they start doing doing daft things, I lose respect.
If someone makes a mistake but acknowledges I've no issue with that and I would do the same.

Simonb1975 · Feb 25, 2017

Always say, if there's an idiot on the roads. Better them being in front than behind.

Martinbanshee · Feb 25, 2017

Well said Simon, my opinion exactly

cemerson · Feb 25, 2017

Trouble with rear dashcams for tailgating is that the viewing angle is so wide, it makes the car not look all that close in the footage.

HulkRS3 · Feb 25, 2017

I think it tends to depend on which car you drive. I noticed driving my partners old 107 that people would tail gate you massively because you're in a very small and dainty car, however when we switched to mine which is regarded as 'fast' and much bigger than a 107 everyone stayed back a bit. However I have noticed if you're in a 'racey' looking car you're more likely to encounters idiots who want to push you and see your car perform.

GSB · Feb 25, 2017

Reading some of these threads, on this forum as well as others, leaves me struggling to see what relevance the drivers gender has to any of this. It's mentioned often but so far as I can tell whether a driver was a woman, a female, a 'bint' or some other derogatory irrelevance has no bearing on why she was driving like a moron. She was driving like a moron because... (ta-da!) ...she's a ****** moron! Not because she's a woman.

The fact is, gender has little to do with driving standards. What conclusions can be reliably drawn on the connection between gender and driving skill are not exactly favourable to us gents, and since most of us men spend the vast the majority of the time we're not talking rubbish about cars trying to get into women's pants, it really makes no sense to belittle the owners of the naughty bits we are are so keen to play with purely because those owners happen to be equipped with those very parts we so covet.

Bad drivers are bad because they are stupid, ignorant, incompetent, selfish, arrogant, aggressive, obnoxious or just don't care about driving, seeing it as a means to get from one place to another without having to get on a ****** bus. The possession of a vagina has absolutely nothing to do with it. The possession of a driving license is the problem, particularly the apparent ease by which some individuals seem to come by them, and even more mysteriously, keep them...

Audi Bairn · Feb 25, 2017

GSB said:
Reading some of these threads, on this forum as well as others, leaves me struggling to see what relevance the drivers gender has to any of this. It's mentioned often but so far as I can tell whether a driver was a woman, a female, a 'bint' or some other derogatory irrelevance has no bearing on why she was driving like a moron. She was driving like a moron because... (ta-da!) ...she's a ****** moron! Not because she's a woman.

The fact is, gender has little to do with driving standards. What conclusions can be reliably drawn on the connection between gender and driving skill are not exactly favourable to us gents, and since most of us men spend the vast the majority of the time we're not talking rubbish about cars trying to get into women's pants, it really makes no sense to belittle the owners of the naughty bits we are are so keen to play with purely because those owners happen to be equipped with those very parts we so covet.

Bad drivers are bad because they are stupid, ignorant, incompetent, selfish, arrogant, aggressive, obnoxious or just don't care about driving, seeing it as a means to get from one place to another without having to get on a ****** bus. The possession of a vagina has absolutely nothing to do with it. The possession of a driving license is the problem, particularly the apparent ease by which some individuals seem to come by them, and even more mysteriously, keep them...

Well said sir!
There are good and bad drivers amongst men and women just like there's good and bad drivers of Audi's or any other make.
Makes no odds what sex they are or what car they drive.

Scottyg · Feb 25, 2017

Agreed. A bad drivers a bad driver. My mum being one of them. :shrug:

cemerson · Feb 25, 2017

GSB said:
Reading some of these threads, on this forum as well as others, leaves me struggling to see what relevance the drivers gender has to any of this. It's mentioned often but so far as I can tell whether a driver was a woman, a female, a 'bint' or some other derogatory irrelevance has no bearing on why she was driving like a moron. She was driving like a moron because... (ta-da!) ...she's a ****** moron! Not because she's a woman.

The fact is, gender has little to do with driving standards. What conclusions can be reliably drawn on the connection between gender and driving skill are not exactly favourable to us gents, and since most of us men spend the vast the majority of the time we're not talking rubbish about cars trying to get into women's pants, it really makes no sense to belittle the owners of the naughty bits we are are so keen to play with purely because those owners happen to be equipped with those very parts we so covet.

Bad drivers are bad because they are stupid, ignorant, incompetent, selfish, arrogant, aggressive, obnoxious or just don't care about driving, seeing it as a means to get from one place to another without having to get on a ****** bus. The possession of a vagina has absolutely nothing to do with it. The possession of a driving license is the problem, particularly the apparent ease by which some individuals seem to come by them, and even more mysteriously, keep them...

Quite... I do wonder when I see some of the "jokes" around this in here whether I've woken up in the 1950s or something...

4K · Feb 26, 2017

cemerson said:
Quite... I do wonder when I see some of the "jokes" around this in here whether I've woken up in the 1950s or something...

It would be nice if we had the 1950's number of cars on the road. Things would be a lot simpler.

4K · Feb 26, 2017

cemerson said:
Trouble with rear dashcams for tailgating is that the viewing angle is so wide, it makes the car not look all that close in the footage.

Sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't. Think it depends on which camera you're going for these days.

4K · Feb 26, 2017

GSB said:
Reading some of these threads, on this forum as well as others, leaves me struggling to see what relevance the drivers gender has to any of this. It's mentioned often but so far as I can tell whether a driver was a woman, a female, a 'bint' or some other derogatory irrelevance has no bearing on why she was driving like a moron. She was driving like a moron because... (ta-da!) ...she's a ****** moron! Not because she's a woman.

The fact is, gender has little to do with driving standards. What conclusions can be reliably drawn on the connection between gender and driving skill are not exactly favourable to us gents, and since most of us men spend the vast the majority of the time we're not talking rubbish about cars trying to get into women's pants, it really makes no sense to belittle the owners of the naughty bits we are are so keen to play with purely because those owners happen to be equipped with those very parts we so covet.

Bad drivers are bad because they are stupid, ignorant, incompetent, selfish, arrogant, aggressive, obnoxious or just don't care about driving, seeing it as a means to get from one place to another without having to get on a ****** bus. The possession of a vagina has absolutely nothing to do with it. The possession of a driving license is the problem, particularly the apparent ease by which some individuals seem to come by them, and even more mysteriously, keep them...

Unilateral comments are my forte, and like has been said to you before. I make comments based on my experiences and what I've seen. Your experiences are likely different, which is why you don't agree or come to the same conclusions.

GSB said:
What conclusions can be reliably drawn on the connection between gender and driving skill are not exactly favourable to us gents, and since most of us men spend the vast the majority of the time we're not talking rubbish about cars trying to get into women's pants, it really makes no sense to belittle the owners of the naughty bits we are are so keen to play with purely because those owners happen to be equipped with those very parts we so covet.

I take issue with this drivel. It's ridiculous and blase to say most men are 'trying to getting into women's pants' therefore we have no right to criticise their standards of poor driving.

However, my original post doesn't just target one gender at all. I completely agree there are trash drivers in each category, which is why my bullet points encompass those other genders. Frankly, they could be non binary for all I care, they will still be a trash driver.

GSB · Feb 26, 2017

You seem to be going by the assumption that the post was targeted directly at you, when it's very clear that it is not. I was posting commentary on the content of a variety of threads and even a variety of forums. You then take particular exception to one key snipet in my post, that was not part of the key message and was put in place ostensibly to lighten a piece that was otherwise a little bit serious and heavy in its message. That part, in case it still isn't totally clear, was not the key message I was trying to convey but an irreverent observation that the entire human race is essentially founded, sustained and driven by the basic urge to jiggle bits of men's bodies inside bits of women's bodies, and crucially, that this is altogether more successful if they actually like and respect each other.

Returning back to the actual point of the post; Society, common sense, experience and articles of law in nations across the world determined some considerable time ago that women are not second class citizens and are undeserving of criticism or discrimination purely based upon their gender. This has been the case for nearly a century, women have repeatedly proven that are are equally as capable as men in all areas of endeavour, so why do so many people still consider it acceptable to discriminate against them? They are still paid less, face greater obstacles to progression, and are subject to ridiculous restrictions on things like joining golf clubs or being members of the clergy. I'm aware that the issue is far wider than this thread can tackle, and have no wish to trivialise centuries of suffrage, so in this case I'm concentrating simply upon why it is acceptable in discussions on a motoring forum such as this to generalise that women are bad drivers? No-one here is writing that black people are bad drivers, it's taken as read that such commentary is totally and utterly unacceptable in the modern age and yet the race relations act didn't make discrimination on grounds of race illegal until 2 generations after the same equality was afforded to women. The legal status of women as equals to men has been enshrined for a period longer than the vast majority of us have been alive, yet in every area of society we still still see things like this cropping up;

4K said:
I take issue with this drivel. It's ridiculous and blase to say most men are 'trying to getting into women's pants' therefore we have no right to criticise their standards of poor driving.

Now, perhaps I'm not reading your message correctly, or perhaps you didn't write quite what you thought you were writing, but it looks very much like you hold a heartfelt belief that just because you like having sex with women shouldn't mean you should have to hold your tongue and tell an entire group of total strangers, women included, that women have poor standards of driving because they're women...

If that's the case then it is undisguised discrimination, and even worse than that, its discrimination based upon ignorance. Now I dont know you on a personal level @4K, but since this is the Information Age, you've managed to log onto this website, and you've certainly managed to put some cogent arguments forward in other threads on other topics, so I don't think you could possibly be ignorant of the fact that women are as worthy, as talented and as skilful as you are, and in some arenas will possess skills far in excess of your own.

More likely, you just didn't spot that singling out women as 'bints' just isn't very polite, and just because these people couldn't give the tiniest **** whether you're driving a fast car or a slow one doesn't mean they shouldn't be on the road, or that they should vacate it at the first opportunity because you're on it. You may also have spotted that writing such things, even if for comedic effect (see my own "pants' dialogue for an example), can backfire, be misunderstood, or perhaps even be construed as being downright offensive and ignorant...

Soulboy · Feb 26, 2017

I try to avoid rash judgements of other people's driving nowadays......not always very successfully.

I generally get infuriated by slow drivers clogging up the road and not letting me fly along in my latest xxx hp car.

.......until I was taking our injured cat to the vets. Driving very slowly to avoid any agony as he was in a bad way.
Then some spanner (just like the usual me) started tailgating and getting aggressive behind me.
If I could have got out and got hold of him (or her!) it would have been bad news. I was beyond furious.
As I say....lesson learned....you have no idea what all these other annoying t***s clogging up your drivers playground situation is.
They may be coming back from hospital after losing a loved one or something. Anything. You just don't know.

I try my best now......unsuccessfully sometimes I'm ashamed to say.

royalsteve68 · Feb 27, 2017

GSB said:
@gamegenie cares about his car...

...or maybe not.

Did the automatic car wash remove the rest of the clear coat to match?

no, it removed the paint, wipers aerial, wheels, wing mirrors

MA3RC · Feb 27, 2017

What usually works for me is spraying my windscreen washer jets, obviously when you're at speed they whisp over the windscreen and land on theirs, wait until they've cleared it and simply repeat the process :haudrauf:

. You can see them getting more and more agitated each time, they then usually back off.

Obviously doesn't work in the rain :superman:

Audi Bairn · Feb 27, 2017

MA3RC said:
What usually works for me is spraying my windscreen washer jets, obviously when you're at speed they whisp over the windscreen and land on theirs, wait until they've cleared it and simply repeat the process . You can see them getting more and more agitated each time, they then usually back off.

Obviously doesn't work in the rain

Combined with the headlamp washers it results in an even bigger torrent :yes:

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