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I see that progressive lights have found their way onto the A3 S-Line range, anyone know how much to retro fit them?

I have emailed Audi UK but no response as yet.
 
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Audi will probably not offer this service due to the works involved. It's not just a simple swap out.

For the rears you are looking at between £850 to £1000 depending on exchange rate and installation type. To have them in the front you will need to retrofit Matrix lights and a new control module, which would need a new FL front bumper. Matrix lights alone will set you back approx £2700.
 
Surely this mod is not worth the money? First time I saw these on an A7 I thought it looked quite good. Now when I see them it just seems pointless to me. There is nothing really fancy in the technology so what's the point? It's not like nobody can see you intend to turn a corner without that feature!
 
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Surely this mod is not worth the money? First time I saw these on an A7 I thought it looked quite good. Now when I see them it just seems pointless to me. There is nothing really fancy in the technology so what's the point? It's not like nobody can see you intend to turn a corner without that feature!

Basically paying for other people to enjoy (if that floats their boat) ..............it's not like you can see them from the drivers seat!!
 
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Surely this mod is not worth the money? First time I saw these on an A7 I thought it looked quite good. Now when I see them it just seems pointless to me. There is nothing really fancy in the technology so what's the point? It's not like nobody can see you intend to turn a corner without that feature!
Each to their own.

Personally I think the FL rear clusters is a nice mod to complete. The clusters have a new curved design which I think suits the car better. Retrofitting matrix lights is just not worth it as all in you are looking at a total cost of around £4k. They are a great bit of kit but not an attractive price point.
 
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Sweeping lights are appearing on more cars, the novelty has gone for me. Not that I could see my own in the car!
 
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Utterly pointless. Indicators already flash on the left or right side of the car and are a perfectly simple way of letting other road users and pedestrians know which way you are going. How is that orange flashing light improved in any way by it strobing in the direction it is already indicating anyway?!
 
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I don't think anyone is claiming they will revolutionise driving as we know it, I think the suggestion is that they look quite cool.
 
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Audi themselves seem to think that they aid in knowing which way the vehicle is turning, daft I know.
 
Basically paying for other people to enjoy (if that floats their boat) ..............it's not like you can see them from the drivers seat!!

Sorry, I strongly disagree with that. I often make a point of getting in front of a bus, then when you drive up to a junction and indicate you can see the reflection of them pulsing in the bus windscreen from your rear view mirror. Sometimes I've even put the hazards on to see both sides pulse.* :D

* I am joking of course, before someone calls the forum police.
 
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Utterly pointless. Indicators already flash on the left or right side of the car and are a perfectly simple way of letting other road users and pedestrians know which way you are going. How is that orange flashing light improved in any way by it strobing in the direction it is already indicating anyway?!

I'm sure something similar was said in the 1950's when these were phased out by the current flashing signals.

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And 20 years prior to that when the Highway Code was first published, I'm sure hand signals were entirely sufficient.


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Your sarcasm is not well placed, as the flashing indicator is an improvement on all that went before it, whereas the disco ropelight effect we're now having foisted upon us is not. If it were the electronic equivalent of the hand signals you helpfully display for our younger viewers, the driver would have to stick their arm out of the window, then pull it in again, then stick it out again, then pull it in again, then stick it out again, then pull it in again (that's the soft touch 3 blink lane change version, currently available on many brands of vehicle, including Audis)
 
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Blimey, wish I hadn't bothered asking now :grinning:
 
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Your sarcasm is not well placed, as the flashing indicator is an improvement on all that went before it, whereas the disco ropelight effect we're now having foisted upon us is not. If it were the electronic equivalent of the hand signals you helpfully display for our younger viewers, the driver would have to stick their arm out of the window, then pull it in again, then stick it out again, then pull it in again, then stick it out again, then pull it in again (that's the soft touch 3 blink lane change version, currently available on many brands of vehicle, including Audis)

All sarcasm is well placed, it's a sign of superior intelligence ;)
 
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Don't forget you get to see them when you lock/unlock the car ;-)
 
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I noticed one of those ugly Lexus SUV's this morning has them now too.
 
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308 and Mondeo as well I think up front.
 
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Your sarcasm is not well placed, as the flashing indicator is an improvement on all that went before it, whereas the disco ropelight effect we're now having foisted upon us is not. If it were the electronic equivalent of the hand signals you helpfully display for our younger viewers, the driver would have to stick their arm out of the window, then pull it in again, then stick it out again, then pull it in again, then stick it out again, then pull it in again (that's the soft touch 3 blink lane change version, currently available on many brands of vehicle, including Audis)

My sarcasm is currently working on other projects and won't be taking part in this thread today.

In fact I was merely highlighting the fact that other Luddites probably said similar things at an earlier time, whether it be for regulated hand signals in a formal and legal Code of Practice, or even the introduction of trafficators and their eventual replacement by flashing indicator lamps.

Your assertation that dynamic indicators are "utterly useless" and not a significant improvement on previous technology is based merely on your opinion rather than any technical or empirical evidence, yet it is well known that the human eye is drawn to movement, and some marker signs denoting tight corners have used a similar series of sequenced amber lights for years to mark both the hazard and the direction, so Audis claim that the dynamic aspect having safety advantages has some credibility. No?

The same reactionary arguments get exercised every time a manufacturer comes up with a different advance or a government mandates some new restriction. People don't see the point, or only see the downsides in extra expense, inconvenience or restriction on personal freedom;

Sat Nav - "what's wrong with a map, only idiots need Sat Nav",
Seatbelts - "it's uncomfortable, why should I be forced to wear one?",
Catalytic Converters - "More ****** expense"
Drink driving laws - "I drive better after a few drinks"

Speed cameras, speed humps, speed limits, bus lanes, tread depths, window tinting, dipped beams, noise reduction, emmision reduction, mobile phone laws, light intensity, hard shoulders, abs, fuel injection, crumple zones, plastic bumpers, alloy wheels, headrests, child seats...

Every one a fact of life now and taken for granted. Every one decried by someone as "utterly pointless" when introduced.

Now, this does beg a question...

if you don't think technological development or innovation is a good thing, why would you buy a car from a maker who's entire ethos for nearly 4 decades has been based around developing equal quantities of useful and pointless technology, and the use of the three famous words;

Vorsprung Durch Technik

Progress Through Technology
 
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My sarcasm is currently working on other projects and won't be taking part in this thread today.

In fact I was merely highlighting the fact that other Luddites probably said similar things at an earlier time, whether it be for regulated hand signals in a formal and legal Code of Practice, or even the introduction of trafficators and their eventual replacement by flashing indicator lamps.

Your assertation that dynamic indicators are "utterly useless" and not a significant improvement on previous technology is based merely on your opinion rather than any technical or empirical evidence, yet it is well known that the human eye is drawn to movement, and some marker signs denoting tight corners have used a similar series of sequenced amber lights for years to mark both the hazard and the direction, so Audis claim that the dynamic aspect having safety advantages has some credibility. No?

The same reactionary arguments get exercised every time a manufacturer comes up with a different advance or a government mandates some new restriction. People don't see the point, or only see the downsides in extra expense, inconvenience or restriction on personal freedom;

Sat Nav - "what's wrong with a map, only idiots need Sat Nav",
Seatbelts - "it's uncomfortable, why should I be forced to wear one?",
Catalytic Converters - "More ****** expense"
Drink driving laws - "I drive better after a few drinks"

Speed cameras, speed humps, speed limits, bus lanes, tread depths, window tinting, dipped beams, noise reduction, emmision reduction, mobile phone laws, light intensity, hard shoulders, abs, fuel injection, crumple zones, plastic bumpers, alloy wheels, headrests, child seats...

Every one a fact of life now and taken for granted. Every one decried by someone as "utterly pointless" when introduced.

Now, this does beg a question...

if you don't think technological development or innovation is a good thing, why would you buy a car from a maker who's entire ethos for nearly 4 decades has been based around developing equal quantities of useful and pointless technology, and the use of the three famous words;

Vorsprung Durch Technik

Progress Through Technology

* makes note never to get on the wrong side of @GSB... ;)
 
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* makes note never to get on the wrong side of @GSB... ;)

Yeah mate ......and there we were thinking it was hard to win an argument with veeeight !! lol
 
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I've read some of VeeEights stuff and I can assure you, I'm no pretender to his throne of Audi knowledge and geekery.
 
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I've read some of VeeEights stuff and I can assure you, I'm no pretender to his throne of Audi knowledge and geekery.

I'd have paid good money to see you try though!! :box:
 
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I bet we all use a few choice hand gestures that aren't in the highway code too!.
 
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...................RETRO FITTING............
Rear light clusters is ****** BONKERS............ Why......what a waste of money...... I prefer the much larger flashing led turning signals on the rear.... Dynamic indicators on the facelift are too thin......but hey ho....That's how things are now....OLED rear clusters are next eh.....The front led indicators on the facelift are far nicer looking than my yella bulbs....... My mind boggles why pay a few thousand quid for stuff like this when for the same money you can go and rent a car with them on it standard
 
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...................RETRO FITTING............
Rear light clusters is ****** BONKERS............ Why......what a waste of money...... I prefer the much larger flashing led turning signals on the rear.... Dynamic indicators on the facelift are too thin......but hey ho....That's how things are now....OLED rear clusters are next eh.....The front led indicators on the facelift are far nicer looking than my yella bulbs....... My mind boggles why pay a few thousand quid for stuff like this when for the same money you can go and rent a car with them on it standard
Think this is the future of light tech Audi have in store.....
 
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In fact I was merely highlighting the fact that other Luddites... as well as I?

Your assertation that dynamic indicators are "utterly useless" and not a significant improvement on previous technology is based merely on your opinion rather than any technical or empirical evidence, yet it is well known that the human eye is drawn to movement, and some marker signs denoting tight corners have used a similar series of sequenced amber lights for years to mark both the hazard and the direction, so Audis claim that the dynamic aspect having safety advantages has some credibility. No?

No. My Luddite human eye is already sufficiently drawn to a flashing orange light and my Luddite brain can work out what it means without the orange light having to point it out.

The same reactionary arguments get exercised every time a manufacturer comes up with a different advance or a government mandates some new restriction. People don't see the point, or only see the downsides in extra expense, inconvenience or restriction on personal freedom;

Sat Nav - "what's wrong with a map, only idiots need Sat Nav",
Seatbelts - "it's uncomfortable, why should I be forced to wear one?",
Catalytic Converters - "More ****** expense"
Drink driving laws - "I drive better after a few drinks"

Speed cameras, speed humps, speed limits, bus lanes, tread depths, window tinting, dipped beams, noise reduction, emmision reduction, mobile phone laws, light intensity, hard shoulders, abs, fuel injection, crumple zones, plastic bumpers, alloy wheels, headrests, child seats...

Every one a fact of life now and taken for granted. Every one decried by someone as "utterly pointless" when introduced.

I doubt that. Most of those things do actually improve the automobile or its safety, unlike the disco twinklers.

Now, this does beg a question...

if you don't think technological development or innovation is a good thing, why would you buy a car from a maker who's entire ethos for nearly 4 decades has been based around developing equal quantities of useful and pointless technology, and the use of the three famous words;

Vorsprung Durch Technik

Progress Through Technology

Because I didn't want to drive a 20 year old Nissan Micra?

Of course the real cherry on top of the pointlessness is that most Audi drivers seemingly don't bother troubling themselves with that little stalk next to the steering wheel!
 
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Of course the real cherry on top of the pointlessness is that most Audi drivers seemingly don't bother troubling themselves with that little stalk next to the steering wheel!
It happens to be a little 'pet hate' of mine people who don't bother indicating.I'm no angel mind you but I can tell you as an Audi driver I use the stalkie thing by my steering wheel often...:hi:
 
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Of course the real cherry on top of the pointlessness is that most Audi drivers seemingly don't bother troubling themselves with that little stalk next to the steering wheel!

Perhaps having the fancy indicators would trick more AUDI drivers into using them!
 
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I'm no angel mind you but I can tell you as an Audi driver I use the stalkie thing by my steering wheel often...:hi:

Me too. With the amount of rain we get up here I often have the wipers on. Not sure what the stalk to the left of the wheel does tho. :readit:
 
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Pretty sure if you know what you're doing you can wire each indicator LED individually, it's been done in a golf R as far as I'm aware. May need a degree in electronics though, I'd have no clue where to even start to do it.

 
With them now being on so many cars I am glad to not have them!
 
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Me too. With the amount of rain we get up here I often have the wipers on. Not sure what the stalk to the left of the wheel does tho. :readit:
Top one on the left is a coat hook... a bit impractical putting it there as your coat rubs against your leg when changing gear (for those of us with manuals) or the ladies use it for handbags. Either of which is a pain as it obscures the cruise control stalk!!.
I think it's clever that Audi have put a weight warning on it though, as if your coat is too heavy the stalk drops & a little warning arrow pointing left appears on the cluster to alert you that the coat has fallen to the floor if you hadn't already noticed it wrapped around your feet or the contents of said handbag rolling everywhere!. :tearsofjoy:
 
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It happens to be a little 'pet hate' of mine people who don't bother indicating.I'm no angel mind you but I can tell you as an Audi driver I use the stalkie thing by my steering wheel often...:hi:
Are we still talking about cars here!?!. :flushed:
 
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