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Morning,

just wondering what the guys with the new 2.0 Turbo 190 quattro and non-quattro are achieving for fuel economy and how many miles per tank they are getting?

Thanks.
 
Hi TDI-line, just had two fill ups to date first returning 36.77mpg and the second 40.4mpg. Driving 34 miles to work which 24 of them are on dual lane carriage/motorways and 4 miles stop start into the city and 6 miles on A-roads with many roundabouts and road works. Same going home and done 598 miles up to the last fill up, not bad I my opinion and hopefully will get a little better as the engine beds in.
 
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Those figures seem to match the figures I've been working with to compare my existing TDI184 with a new 190. My dealer always says if you want an approx overall fuel figure take the published combined figure (48.7 for the TFSI190 s-tronic quattro) and take away 20% which gives 39 mpg.

My existing TDI184 on the same basic is 58.9 less 20% = 49 mpg, which is about the figure I get with normal driving. It goes up to around 54 mpg with my longer runs to Germany. Taking in to account all the fuel over 3 years and tax etc a TFSI190 works out just £329 more expensive that the TDI184 in Sport trim and with the same extras.

I've not driven a TFSI190 yet as none of the dealers near me seem to have one as a demonstrator. I emailed Audi UK and the have now come back to be with 5 dealers who have one, the nearest being Coventry Audi.
 
Hi Dave R, How far do you have to travel for that test drive? I've driven both cars and there is a small difference in how the power is delivered but I found the smoother quieter quicker off the mark more to my liking.
 
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Shropshire Lad said:
Hi Dave R, How far do you have to travel for that test drive? I've driven both cars and there is a small difference in how the power is delivered but I found the smoother quieter quicker off the mark more to my liking.
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Petrol car is always going beat the diesel in every aspect sharper steering,faster on take off,overall refinement engine noise,exhaust sound,,bar boring motorway driving where the derv wins with more torque for the lazy overtaking manoeuvre.derv also wins if you do more than 12000 miles a year
 
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My current annual mileage is around 14k of which around 4-5k is in Europe where diesel is at least 20p a litre less than petrol. I quite like the lazy way my current 184 drives and the amount of torque available but cost wise there will be so little difference that it will come down to which car I prefer driving. I never think of the 184 as noisy until I'm a passenger in my wife 1.2 TSI Polo. The most noise seems to be tyre noise.

The two nearest dealers with a 190 are Coventry and Ipswich so I think phone calls needed.
 
jassyo06 said:
Petrol car is always going beat the diesel in every aspect sharper steering,faster on take off,overall refinement engine noise,exhaust sound,,bar boring motorway driving where the derv wins with more torque for the lazy overtaking manoeuvre.derv also wins if you do more than 12000 miles a year
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I have looked at figures in the past and more than 15k per year as a minimum to see any benefit.

Petrol engines are getting better all the time thankfully.
 
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KenL said:
I have looked at figures in the past and more than 15k per year as a minimum to see any benefit.

Petrol engines are getting better all the time thankfully.
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To be honest l still dont why tractor engines are still being made in this day and age
 
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Shropshire Lad said:
Hi TDI-line, just had two fill ups to date first returning 36.77mpg and the second 40.4mpg. Driving 34 miles to work which 24 of them are on dual lane carriage/motorways and 4 miles stop start into the city and 6 miles on A-roads with many roundabouts and road works. Same going home and done 598 miles up to the last fill up, not bad I my opinion and hopefully will get a little better as the engine beds in.
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Thanks Shropshire Lad. Just looking at my options at the moment. :)
 
Hi All, First post so go easy :),

I've got a 3 week old FL 2.0 TFSi 190 Stronic. Vast majority of my 320 miles have been local London start stop journeys.
Love the engine and S tronic, but really suprised how thirsty it is, VC is suggesting 25 -27 MPG, was wondering if something is wrong?

Really enjoy the forum.
 
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jassyo06 said:
To be honest l still dont why tractor engines are still being made in this day and age
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I don't mind particularly when diesel is now 8p a litre cheaper at my petrol station.

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I know why people's have diesel's, but having had one, a B7 A4, I will never have one again
The mileage I / we do a year, around 12,000 between our 2 cars, I would rather pay the extra £'s for my driving enjoyment
Besides, my S4 is a supercharged 3 litre V6 so I'm not about to worry about fuel costs lol

Besides the mpg benefit, as of April next year when the new VED's kick in there won't be that much of an advantage for the oil burners

I don't mind paying a few more £'s for my driving pleasure

As always, just my opinion of course ... :hi:

PS Over to you @jassyo06 :D
 
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Bristle Hound said:
I know why people's have diesel's, but having had one, a B7 A4, I will never have one again
The mileage I / we do a year, around 12,000 between our 2 cars, I would rather pay the extra £'s for my driving enjoyment
Besides, my S4 is a supercharged 3 litre V6 so I'm not about to worry about fuel costs lol

Besides the mpg benefit, as of April next year when the new VED's kick in there won't be that much of an advantage for the oil burners

I don't mind paying a few more £'s for my driving pleasure

As always, just my opinion of course ... :hi:

PS Over to you @jassyo06 :D
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I've had diesels for the last 5 years, including 3 Audi diesels and have enjoyed the high mpg numbers, but right now I'm really enjoying being back in a petrol. So smooth, refined and not nose-heavy.
 
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Gordo77 said:
Really? Diesel is around 3-4p a litre more expensive than unleaded where I am.
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Filled my tank this morning at ASDA next to my work for 110.9. Petrol is at 117.9. Was pleasantly surprised. The one I use is the cheapest around where I live by at least 2p a litre. It's a self-service only so no normal station overheads.
 
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Diesel has been 1p per litre more expensive (except for a short time) in East central Scotland for a long time.

The major difference for me with diesels is the often much higher price for diesels. In MINI Coopers (more knowledge of that brand) the diesel has about 25 less bhp but I'd £1500 more expensive.
 
PB_NWL said:
Hi All, First post so go easy :),

I've got a 3 week old FL 2.0 TFSi 190 Stronic. Vast majority of my 320 miles have been local London start stop journeys.
Love the engine and S tronic, but really suprised how thirsty it is, VC is suggesting 25 -27 MPG, was wondering if something is wrong?

Really enjoy the forum.
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London stop/start journeys are never going to give decent economy. I am not surprised by your figures. Car may improve slightly when it gets more miles under its belt.
 
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I know when sister was looking between the 184 and 190 the dealer was saying that he thought the 190 would be pretty thirsty.

I think having had 220bhp TFSI A4 and then the V6T S5 - it'll start of thirsty and then get better.

My main journey was the commute to work through town centre etc and on the A4 averaged 25-28mpg, the S was only marginally worse. On motorways tho the A4 used to get to 40-45mpg no problems.
 
jassyo06 said:
To be honest l still dont why tractor engines are still being made in this day and age
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Audi still make diesel engines for one very simple reason. They are what it's customers want. In the UK the argument for and against a diesel is often dependent on mileage but in continental Europe where most of it's customers live, diesel is a Win Win Win situation. Win 1 - A diesel engine still gives more mpg despite the recent improvements in the later petrol engines - 8- 10mpg between a TFSI 190 and a TDI 184.. Win 2 - Diesel is quite a bit cheaper per litre than petrol in Europe and Win 3 - Diesel engines still produce less green house gas than a petrol engine which is much more import in many European countries.

With the addition of AddBlue to many of the Audi diesel engines the NOX emissions problems are reduced because the AddBlue converts the NOX to harmless Nitrogen and Water. German towns and cities will only allow vehicles with the latest EU6 standard engines to enter.

Personally with things as they are in the UK I will quite happily drive either if it meets my driving requirements. I've had lots of petrol engine cars, including several Golf GTIs and four petrol engine A3s and only changed to a diesel when Audi stopped making the 1.8T Sport and replaced it with a non-turbo 2.0 petrol which was horrible. I have now has four diesel engine A3s and have been happy with them especially my current 2.0 TDI-184 s-tronic quattro.

My next will be a similar spec in either 190 TFSI or another 184 TDI depending on a test drive in the 190.
 
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h5djr said:
Audi still make diesel engines for one very simple reason. They are what it's customers want. In the UK the argument for and against a diesel is often dependent on mileage but in continental Europe where most of it's customers live, diesel is a Win Win Win situation. Win 1 - A diesel engine still gives more mpg despite the recent improvements in the later petrol engines - 8- 10mpg between a TFSI 190 and a TDI 184.. Win 2 - Diesel is quite a bit cheaper per litre than petrol in Europe and Win 3 - Diesel engines still produce less green house gas than a petrol engine which is much more import in many European countries.

With the addition of AddBlue to many of the Audi diesel engines the NOX emissions problems are reduced because the AddBlue converts the NOX to harmless Nitrogen and Water. German towns and cities will only allow vehicles with the latest EU6 standard engines to enter.

Personally with things as they are in the UK I will quite happily drive either if it meets my driving requirements. I've had lots of petrol engine cars, including several Golf GTIs and four petrol engine A3s and only changed to a diesel when Audi stopped making the 1.8T Sport and replaced it with a non-turbo 2.0 petrol which was horrible. I have now has four diesel engine A3s and have been happy with them especially my current 2.0 TDI-184 s-tronic quattro.

My next will be a similar spec in either 190 TFSI or another 184 TDI depending on a test drive in the 190.
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Latest figures would suggest otherwise...

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.ft.com/content/f3e59748-978f-11e6-a80e-bcd69f323a8b?client=safari

I agree that latest EU6 diesels with adblue are OK, but it's clear diesels will struggle to continue to meet targets as the regulations get tighter. Think Germany are trying to phase them out altogether by 2030? I would worry about the value of a diesel if the latest trends are anything to go by....

Personally, as above, unless I did loads of miles I would never make the conscious decision to have improved MPG over a better sounding, better performing engine. Between the 3.0 V6 diesel and 3.0 V6 petrol, the petrol wins for me every time...

Those two parts of driving are always more important to me than economy, but appreciate everyone's needs are different. If you do 20k miles, getting 20MPG is hardly sensible. But again, that is the only reason you would go for the diesel....
 
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In my particular case the fuel and road tax for the TFSI 190, based on current fuel prices and 14k miles for 3 years, would cost me £6,160. The same with the TDI 184 (similar power, more torque, 380 rather than 320) would cost £5,112. The TFSI is cheaper to buy at £27,760 where as the TDI is £28,700 which in the end makes an overall difference of just £329. £110 per year - not worth worrying about. It will all come down to do I prefer the TFSI or TDI when I find a dealer who can provide a drive in a TFSI. All good fun!!
 
Audi West London have one if you really want to test drive it :p I drove it on Saturday. Lovely engine with the S-Tronic gearbox. Can't wait to place my order.
 
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Off topic slightly, how do you guys with the 190 find the performance compared to the 1.8 petrol or 184ps diesel? Assumimg you've driven those.
 
Mr Mustard said:
Off topic slightly, how do you guys with the 190 find the performance compared to the 1.8 petrol or 184ps diesel? Assumimg you've driven those.
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I've not driven the 1.8 petrol but have driven the 184 diesel and find that the 190 petrol has far better acceleration from stand still up to 60mph and then the diesel feels just as potent from then on.
 
In stop start traffic I get high 20's.
Normal town driving is mid 30's.
On a gentle run I have had mid 40's.
considering its sub 7 seconds to 60, very refined, very flexible, I'm glad I resisted the black pump.
 
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