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For ride comfort (in terms of harshness), do the springs or shock dictate the harshness?

Is the Eibach Prokit very close to the standard S3 springs in terms of harshness?

What happens when it is paired with the Bilstein B8, would it ride a lot harsher than the standard S3 suspension?
 
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I had the same question when I was lowering my car. I like the lowed look but ride comfort is very important to me, when I had my TTS roadster I used a company called MSS Kits. They provide a fully adjustable spring kit that's without losing ride comfort, so I decided to use them again for my A3 and

When it comes down to ride ride comfort selecting the right springs is everything that why I went with MSS kits and they offer a money back guarantee if you don't like it...can't get better then that.

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This setup rides better then stock


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Hi Mate
I had the same question when I was lowering my car. I like the lowed look but ride comfort is very important to me, when I had my TTS roadster I used a company called MSS Kits. They provide a fully adjustable spring kit that's without losing ride comfort, so I decided to use them again for my A3 and

When it comes down to ride ride comfort selecting the right springs is everything that why I went with MSS kits and they offer a money back guarantee if you don't like it...can't get better then that.

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This setup rides better then stock


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Spring rates and damping forces are both critical and interact with each other extensively.

Say you drop the car by 30mm, you 'lose' 30mm of wheel travel. Given the same linear springs and linear damper action, this means that bump that would normally compress the suspension and leave 30mm of travel left in the bag will instead see you crashing into the bumpstops. You retain comfort at the expense of having to go slower when it's bumpy.

You can regain control of the suspension by increasing spring rate, which would require a bigger bump to hit the bunpstops. Or you could increase the bump damping, which will limit the acceleration of the wheel up into the arch. Niether is in any way better for comfort though, and in reality, you'd need to do both so that the dampers are not overwhelmed by the increased spring force.

This can be counteracted to some extent, by using progressive wound springs. These are "softer" in the initial travel, but ramp up in spring rate as they travel. Problem is, these types of variable springs are harder to tune to damping settings, and compromises must be made where you tend to have either an underdamped firm setting at high compression, or an overdamped spring at normal ride height.

This compromise can work, and many manufacturers use it, but it's not ideal.

This of course means that if you want to retain comfort and drive ability, then lowering is generally not the way to go.
 
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Spring rates and damping forces are both critical and interact with each other extensively.

Say you drop the car by 30mm, you 'lose' 30mm of wheel travel. Given the same linear springs and linear damper action, this means that bump that would normally compress the suspension and leave 30mm of travel left in the bag will instead see you crashing into the bumpstops. You retain comfort at the expense of having to go slower when it's bumpy.

You can regain control of the suspension by increasing spring rate, which would require a bigger bump to hit the bunpstops. Or you could increase the bump damping, which will limit the acceleration of the wheel up into the arch. Niether is in any way better for comfort though, and in reality, you'd need to do both so that the dampers are not overwhelmed by the increased spring force.

This can be counteracted to some extent, by using progressive wound springs. These are "softer" in the initial travel, but ramp up in spring rate as they travel. Problem is, these types of variable springs are harder to tune to damping settings, and compromises must be made where you tend to have either an underdamped firm setting at high compression, or an overdamped spring at normal ride height.

This compromise can work, and many manufacturers use it, but it's not ideal.

This of course means that if you want to retain comfort and drive ability, then lowering is generally not the way to go.

That is very well explained.

However!

The Audi A3 S3 on the MQB platform are known for its harsh ride that's why most reviews have advised to go for the SE set up when ordering.
Deselecting the Sport setup to the SE version gives you a much better ride comfort. So with that in mind. I ask the question do Audi give you a different damper rate shock or just change the spring for a softer rated one...I am sure they only changed the spring and not the damper.

So if you get the right springs you can get an increase in comfort...I'll be very happy to do the Pepsi Challenge and compere my ride to someone with 19" and sport suspension.

I had the s line sport set up on car for about 9 months really hated it and that was with 18" when I sized up to 19" you can imagine the type of cussing I was doing.


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I noticed quite a few people pairing the B8's with H&R springs. 15mm drop but I haven't been in one to tell you how "comfortable" it is. Most report better handling but don't comment on comfort/harshness.

I am also looking at changing my setup. I have 19's and mag ride so just looking at springs for now.
 
I noticed quite a few people pairing the B8's with H&R springs. 15mm drop but I haven't been in one to tell you how "comfortable" it is. Most report better handling but don't comment on comfort/harshness.

I am also looking at changing my setup. I have 19's and mag ride so just looking at springs for now.

I would say shop around and do your research...check out the MSS Kits fully adjustable springs and see if they are for you.

This is my second set and I am very happy with them this far.


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