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I'd like to see Williams letting go of Massa, they making an announcement at Monza.
Think Button would do well there, & put
stoffel vandoorne in the McLaren?
 
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Well Massa is out, no surprise there. I really expect Stoffel to be in at Mclaren as other teams are expressing an interest in him and if Mclaren don't run him he may disappear.
Interesting to see what happens to Ocon and Wehrlein as both are run by Toto Wolff and both are Mercedes drivers. If Mercedes are serious about Wehrlein maybe it would be better if he got a leg up into a faster car to get more experience. If Manor carry on at the level they are at next year then the driver talent is a little wasted. As Toto used to be a big cog in the wheels at Williams I am sure he has some pull there.
I can see Jenson retiring as well. There are plenty of other things he could do like World Sports cars .
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Ghost said:
I'd like to see Williams letting go of Massa, they making an announcement at Monza.
Think Button would do well there, & put
stoffel vandoorne in the McLaren?
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Hamilton alongside Alonso in a McLaren would prove more interesting, surely...

Gotta do something to make F1 interesting.
 
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Ghost said:
I'd like to see Williams letting go of Massa, they making an announcement at Monza.
Think Button would do well there, & put
stoffel vandoorne in the McLaren?
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I think Button needs his pension cashed in. He really has nothing left to offer F1. Even in a Mercedes he wouldn't light up the tour. His championship win was a fluke in my opinion anyway!

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It all about who has the best car at the right time. Button did in the Brawn, Vettel did in the Red Bull and Hamilton has in the Merc. Not a fluke if you look at it that way.
 
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Pretty sure Button would still be able to fight for championship if he had a capable car. Look how competitive he is against Alonso.
Massa retires, Button to Williams and Vandoorne in Mclaren with Alonso.

I would love to see Mclaren as one of top teams next year but probably merc will still be the one to beat.


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45bvtc said:
Hamilton alongside Alonso in a McLaren would prove more interesting, surely...

Gotta do something to make F1 interesting.
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Ricciardo is the only driver I'd put money on to beat Lewis in the same car.
 
Ricciardo and Alonso for me.


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I would personally like to see Vettel and Lewis race each other in the same car! It's never going to happen though...
 
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JB retires after this season


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Or can he be Mclaren ambassador and drive for williams?


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Just for the fun of it :whistle2:: why does anyone continue to think the difference is the 'driver' as today's Italian Grand Prix 'event' shows yet again 'it's the car' with the qualifying positions paired, in the main, by constructor i.e.: Mercedes, Mercedes; Ferrari, Ferrari; ok, a single Williams; but then back to pairs of: Red Bull, Red Bull; Force India, Force India; and then to single (ish): Haas, Williams, Haas, McLaren, Manor, and McLaren; and then again pairs of: Toro Rosso, Torro Rosso; Sauber, Sauber, and Renault, Renault; and a single Manor: and the WHOLE grid from fastest to slowest covered by 3.3 seconds...

That's engineering and I for one thing there's little or no difference between driver ability at this level as the pairing of Alonso and Button has shown.

I reckon by lap ten I'll have nodded off again...
 
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So if it is all car, is Rosberg getting a lower performance car . . . . .
 
I agree John the car makes a lot of difference to where you end up as most of the lap is flat out on the accelerator. The driver makes the difference in the corners and that's where Hamilton made the difference in qualifying. Very interesting article on SKY F1 with Hamilton explaining to David Valsechi how he managed to make the difference on his fastest lap.
Wehrlein did really well and qualified well ahead of where they usually do aided I am sure by the Mercedes donkey in the back of the Manor.
 
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AllBlack-All7 said:
How about Vettel? Alonso? I rate them both above our favorite Ozzy.

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Alonso and Lewis were teammates in 2007, Lewis finished 2nd Alonso 3rd


Ricciardo teammate with Vettel in 2014, Ricciardo finished 3rd Vettel 5th
 
That was to easy for Nico!

Who was your driver of the day?
 
Ricardo for the overtake and outperforming expectations.
 
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Scottyg said:
@45bvtc are you still awake??
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I did stay awake Scott, waiting for Nico to over-run that pit straight chicane as he did, twice, a couple of years back for some unknown reason; and still amazed that he was allowed to win the race.
 
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desertstorm said:
I agree John the car makes a lot of difference to where you end up as most of the lap is flat out on the accelerator. The driver makes the difference in the corners and that's where Hamilton made the difference in qualifying. Very interesting article on SKY F1 with Hamilton explaining to David Valsechi how he managed to make the difference on his fastest lap.
Wehrlein did really well and qualified well ahead of where they usually do aided I am sure by the Mercedes donkey in the back of the Manor.
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I so agree, Karl; it seems to me that the Mercedes duo are so like McLaren's 80's Senna and Prost drivers one of whom is quick and will risk all to win and the other who knows that to win you first have to finish; and it's as fascinating now to see the differences in character as it was then... :racer:

But does it matter? Not really, it's just a race and we're just spectators - and will be again in Singapore...

Franz Tost made an interesting observation in the most recent Team Principals meeting that an extra 10bhp of power equated to three-tenths of a second lap time at Monza...
 
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.... and still amazed that he was allowed to win the race.
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F1 will be sold next week for $8.5 billion.


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Hamilton's paid twice as much as Rosberg and he's worth every penny, some say; but imagine the questions of the Daimler Benz board at the end of the year if the driver that's paid less actually wins! It ain't gonna happen or if it does they'll be getting Elvis to present the prizes... :superman:
 
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Rumour has it that from Singapore 2016 on that ALL F1 start grids are going to be arranged in a 'herringbone' fashion, to be known as the 'Hamilton arrangement' to accommodate the now regular starting **** ups... :whistle2:
 
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So if it is all car, is Rosberg getting a lower performance car . . . . .
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I sincerely hope not, Bugeye; but during the Team Principal's Press Conference Aldo Costa (current Engineering Director of the Mercedes Formula One team) refused to confirm that Rosberg would be getting the 'new' (Spa) engine; so it would appear that there's ONLY one uprated 'Spa' engine being used at date.
 
Ahh well, races lost on crappy starts, what's the point of qualifying first hey? Lol

Ferrari seems to have cars that launch great consistently though, why can't Mercedes get this part right?

Why does Lewis get paid twice as much as Rosberg? Easy, he's world champion, a triple one at that! :D
 
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Here's a list of the F1 Power Unit failures in the first half of the 2016 season and Hamilton seems to have broken, oops, sorry, have had more failures than most :whistle2: but now has more power units remaining than anyone: maybe in 2017, if the reasoning is/was to reduce costs, then each and every/any driver should have 5-power units and 5-power units ONLY...

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it doesn't really reduce costs if you can do a bulk engine replacement in one weekend - i can see teams turning upto race 1, changing the engine 15 times all taking a million grid place penalties and then racing without worry of reliability like the old days - stupid loophole, and makes Lewis look like a cheat
 
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AndyT306 said:
it doesn't really reduce costs if you can do a bulk engine replacement in one weekend - i can see teams turning upto race 1, changing the engine 15 times all taking a million grid place penalties and then racing without worry of reliability like the old days - stupid loophole, and makes Lewis look like a cheat
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I agree totally. It's such a stupid rule to start with, as with All things FIA, the rules are convoluted, inconsistent and in some cases redundant. They don't achieve anything near what their intended aim is.

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i'm sure in the first year when mclaren blew up 4/5 engines every weekend, their penalties carried over? so Lewis should have started from the back for 3 GPs
 
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i'm sure in the first year when mclaren blew up 4/5 engines every weekend, their penalties carried over? so Lewis should have started from the back for 3 GPs
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Yes, this is why they changed it this year to stop it from happening, and this has created this loophole instead for teams to take a 55 grid penalty in one race. If you read the F1 news, Lewis and the team thought about taking the penalty hit by creating a third reprimand for the same race, so he gets a reset, but they didn't do it, as there was another rule that they'd have to break to do it!

F1 was always about doing things to the limits of the rules hey?

I do wonder how far up the road the Mercs would finish, if the races was not about preserving tyres and fuel? But they would still have to turn the power down to reduce engine wear, once they are in the lead!
 
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I do wonder how far up the road the Mercs would finish, if the races was not about preserving tyres and fuel? But they would still have to turn the power down to reduce engine wear, once they are in the lead!
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Now this is getting way more interesting; rather than just talking 'driver' we're talking 'constructor' and 'engineering.' I for one follow the 'engineering' and to be honest really don't care 'who' wins the race, though I do respect the 'driver' skills.

Back in the (70's) Cosworth DFV days Cosworth when re-building a DFV could always tell driver/engine combination as driving style could always 'wear' the internals of an engine quite quickly (and I've seen that for myself when re-building Lotus twin cam engines) and I do wonder - sorry jojo and all other Hamilton fans - whether Hamilton's driving style is a contributing factor to power-unit failures; and I'm not blaming him, but just saying.

We know he's way 'harder' on the brakes than most others, and consequently tyres also - flat spotting, etc.

So back to desertstorm's comment, post #301; does driving 'style' make a difference, both positive and/or negative?

A current F1 race IS about 200-miles and or 2-hours on limited fuel and tyres, and THAT is why I find F1 2016 so interesting - shame Mercedes chose to do what they did in Spa as it would have made the rest of the season way more interesting seeing a Mercedes start from the back of the grid and overtaking all others, maybe... :racer:
 
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Apart from Martin Brundle, I cannot listen to the rest of the F1 Sky team for more than a few minutes at a time, they spend more time contradicting each than talking about F1.
Ted Kravitz comes over as an arrogant ***** to me!
 
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