Home security cameras?

IR at night does not work through glass as it bounces off it, no camera with IR will work with glass in front of it. Learnt that the hard way too!
 
David83S3 said:
So .......I am sending this kit back .......not because of the kit ....but because it does not work at night through my windows. I just get glare/reflection. Tried all sorts of angles and no joy.

If I had the option to install it outside I would 100% keep this kit ....but that isn't an option.

  • Camera quality is good - 1080P would be better but at this price point its great. Great build quality.
  • Setup is very simple
  • Cable is ridiculously long, which is great!
  • Adjustments on cameras is great and gives you all the options you really need for install
  • Options for daily recording times / motion tracking / email notifications all on the box. (Didn't really get to test these)
  • Watch it on your phone is easy to setup, but quality isn't as good as on the home screen. I guess this is pretty normal as its network speed dependant on both ends.
Kit was £119.99 on Amazon

KARE
1TB HDD DVR Unit
2 x 720P Cameras with night vision (I think 32 LEDS)
All cables required
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Sorry to hear Dave ... The glare issue through windows was mentioned on the 1st page of the thread though. The LEDs will always bounce off the glass. You either have to external mount or place a camera some distance from the glass to reduce flare.
But for a flat with I presume a window overlooking down onto a car park its not a solution to move the camera 2-3 foot back as you probably wont see the car park due to angle/ distance etc.

Reckon u might be served better looking at a dash cam solution to cover your issues Dave.

Jungle.
 
Chris5 said:
@azibux1
IP cameras are still good and were than analogue cameras as they were 1080p 2mp but analogue will always catch up, the analogue ones just came out late last year at this spec and both IP and analogue will keep getting better.

My dvrs record at 1080p but you do get a choice to pick what you want it to record at from 1080p to 720p to d1. Some people just adjust this if they have constant recording over 16 cameras and they need more than 2/3 weeks recording time.

The hikvision stuff is good so is onyx, my dad has his own factory in China now which he has all his cctv equipment and LED lighting made and offered with a 5 year warranty which customers love.

The 4mp camera not to sure but think maybe the next gen 4K stuff? Year or two that will be the next upgrade.
Bought a 4K tv recently which is still not beneficial
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Thanks for the detailed information!! :)

My hikvision testing camera has arrived so I'll give that a go later and see how it goes

It will definitely be going back if I'm not 100% happy with it
 
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As David said! But for piece of mine invest in a CCTV cam, not expensive these days and they auto record on the area you set to catch movement in.

Just flicked to mine on the PC to take this:

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It caught last nights dinner being delivered lol :D

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What camera is this? How easy is it to setup?


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Well after finding these tonight, my setup and an alarm can't go in quick enough!

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pburv said:
Holy Sh*t Batch!
Did you call the police? CSI evidence maybe??
Crime in my area isn't to bad but seeing this has made me think about getting cameras asap...:sadlike:
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Not yet, although they could be quite old - only noticed last night when I was cleaning the door with acetone (top tip - don't use parcel tape to attach a note to a PVC door!). Any forensic opportunities will be limited to just the toolmarks by now, I'll report it anyway but just going to step everything up. My area is lovely but just recently, last few months at most, I've noticed a little bit more going on.
 
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Dead easy, screw to the wall and power to a socket, then link to wifi.....job done! It's a Swann camera from Maplin.
 
My advice is not to use wifi based cameras. This is down to experience where the network would consistently drop out and cause issues with recording unless you have the type where an additional SD card based record facility is part of the camera.

My NVR is a Hikvision DS 7604 NI, I opted for the 3 TB disk so that I can record a full month with 1 camera with no problem, with the option of additional cameras should I feel the need for them. 4 PoE ports which gives me a near perfect setup For my house topology.

I use iVMS 4500 Software to manage the NVR and it's an amazing bit of software, really easy to use and to setup even for those with no real experience in IT. I bought into Hikvision as work have them, 32 of them to be exact and they have been faultless.

I would suggest that anyone thinking of a CCTV setup, spend the extra and run Cat5 cable to each camera from your NVR, better to buy an NVR with PoE so that it only requires one cable to each camera.

The NVR does not need the Internet to work, it will work as a stand alone device and does not even need to be plugged into your network if that is the way you want to set it up. You can manage it all from a monitor attached to it along with a keyboard and mouse via USB. I have both ways setup so if I want to view it I can do it either way, network or console access.

EXiR is the way forward on the cameras if you are worried about catching night video then it's a must in my opinion.

@ azibux1 you bought the same camera that I have. Do you like it. Video from it in my opinion is about as good as you'll get for 100-150 quid.

G
 
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Mr.G said:
My advice is not to use wifi based cameras. This is down to experience where the network would consistently drop out and cause issues with recording unless you have the type where an additional SD card based record facility is part of the camera.

My NVR is a Hikvision DS 7604 NI, I opted for the 3 TB disk so that I can record a full month with 1 camera with no problem, with the option of additional cameras should I feel the need for them. 4 PoE ports which gives me a near perfect setup For my house topology.

I use iVMS 4500 Software to manage the NVR and it's an amazing bit of software, really easy to use and to setup even for those with no real experience in IT. I bought into Hikvision as work have them, 32 of them to be exact and they have been faultless.

I would suggest that anyone thinking of a CCTV setup, spend the extra and run Cat5 cable to each camera from your NVR, better to buy an NVR with PoE so that it only requires one cable to each camera.

The NVR does not need the Internet to work, it will work as a stand alone device and does not even need to be plugged into your network if that is the way you want to set it up. You can manage it all from a monitor attached to it along with a keyboard and mouse via USB. I have both ways setup so if I want to view it I can do it either way, network or console access.

EXiR is the way forward on the cameras if you are worried about catching night video then it's a must in my opinion.

@ azibux1 you bought the same camera that I have. Do you like it. Video from it in my opinion is about as good as you'll get for 100-150 quid.

G
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I agree... EXiR is AMAZING as is the camera. I was really impressed with it, then I realised I had it set to 720p! :D Haha. Bumped it up to the full 2688 x 1520 and it seriously is very impressive! Good detail even with digital zoom on the playback footage

Don't really want to post any/many pics unfortunately for obvious reasons, would rather stay private haha

At the moment I'm trying to use a PC with the IVMS 4200 and IVMS storage server software as a 'PC NVR'. It is very good software. Currently a bit hit and miss whether it records again after rebooting the PC, but I'm working on that. A few people have it working perfectly so I've uninstalled it and am starting fresh to configure it all again

If it doesn't work, I'll save up for a dedicated Hikvision NVR
 
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Are you splitting the cat 5 up and using it for both power and picture.
This is the exact way I do my jobs but I run a shotgun cable which is rg59 and 2 core power to each camera, split the power into the power supply and the rg59 into the dvr. Same idea as your doing really but the picture quality in my experience is always better over rg59. Currently doing Yankee candle shops where the cctv got wired in cat5 cable now I'm redoing it in rg59, had a few jobs like this now.
I would recommend people to use the proper cable to do these jobs for long term and better quality. Cat 5 cable will eventually fail. Can get 15 years out the same rg59 cable run
 
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Just googled your NVR and seen it has the power for cameras built into it that's a good feature
 
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The software I was using to get my Hikvision recording to the PC was a bit rubbish... Now I'm using IVMS 4200 PCNVR edition (also by Hikvision) instead of IVMS 4200 (client edition, teamed with their storage server)

This is working much better! Records after a reboot with no issues

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The Hikvision EXiR cameras don't have built in microphones do they? It's a need for me, but not for most.
 
Liquidfusion-S3 said:
The Hikvision EXiR cameras don't have built in microphones do they? It's a need for me, but not for most.
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I don't believe they do, at least the one I purchased doesn't appear to have one
 
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I can provide excellent quality qvis and onyx cctv kits if anyone is interested just let me know. For instance if I google a 3mp ip dome it's came up £180 and I can have this posted to you for £150. Same with the analogue cameras, dvrs and nvrs. Could save you around 30-50 on stuff hopefully. Not trying to make money just trying to help people save a bit as my dads well contacted with all the big names in these company's and people have helped me out with my car on the forum so happy to try help in return
 
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Chris5 said:
@Mr.G
Are you splitting the cat 5 up and using it for both power and picture.
This is the exact way I do my jobs but I run a shotgun cable which is rg59 and 2 core power to each camera, split the power into the power supply ......
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Hi Chris

No, I've used external grade Cat6 cable running to my single camera at present. Nothing fancy. Mounted the Camera to my Garage wall, don't care if people try to rip it off, as someone will see it happening and I will also have it on recorded footage. My street is very very respectable, don't live on a main road and everyone knows each other and looks after each others houses when they aren't at home.

I know what you are saying about splitting the video feed from power but as it's only 5.5watts I doubt it makes any difference at all when running both in parallel separately. On a large install like commercial premises or for camera's with PTZ maybe running dedicated video as lengths tend to be 50/100m plus then obviously Cat5e/Cat6 wouldn't be beneficial as best practice for Cat6 max length is 100m, as a general rule.

I can't say how happy I am having spent only £350 for my setup. I installed it all myself therefore no install costs and I know the job is done how I want it done.

Thanks for the Generous offer on helping us lads here on the forum with Kits, QVIS looks like decent quality stuff. I'm smitten with HikVision as I said, having operated them in work for 4 months, 32 of them to be exact, I was so impressed with the quality and reliability and cost that I went out that same weekend and purchased my own albeit "tiny" in comparison 1 camera install...lol.

G
 
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Liquidfusion-S3 said:
The Hikvision EXiR cameras don't have built in microphones do they? It's a need for me, but not for most.
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Liquid

Nope, they do not have microphones, but then why would you want to hear people breaking into your house or damaging your car? The Hikvision Camera's I've seen so far only have RJ45 connectors.

I'm not sure how you'd fair in the eyes of the law recording sound, which is why most don't include Microphones I guess. I'm no expert, but this is a good read.

Domestic CCTV (.gov.uk)

G
 
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Liquid

Nope, they do not have microphones, but then why would you want to hear people breaking into your house or damaging your car? The Hikvision Camera's I've seen so far only have RJ45 connectors.

I'm not sure how you'd fair in the eyes of the law recording sound, which is why most don't include Microphones I guess. I'm no expert, but this is a good read.

Domestic CCTV (.gov.uk)

G
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It's just for personal preference really, nothing to do with submitting evidence to the law.
 
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Liquidfusion-S3 said:
It's just for personal preference really, nothing to do with submitting evidence to the law.
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I think G meant that there may be certain regulations with regards to audio recording from a RIPA/Surveillance Commissioner perspective. Pretty sure that the police won't care what sounds have been recorded from a public space if you have some cracking evidence stored on your system, they'll just gratefully accept it!
 
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Liquidfusion-S3 said:
It's just for personal preference really, nothing to do with submitting evidence to the law.
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Take a look at the Ucam range on Amazon. These have have microphones built in. Certainly the indoor 1080p cameras do.
 
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Might be worth setting them up on a seperate network address aswell so any data for your phones, PC, laptops etc will be unaffected. That way the traffic is kept seperate between user use and the camera use. A decent router will be able to be configures to allow the computers on both networks to be viewed.
 
Chris90 said:
Might be worth setting them up on a seperate network address aswell so any data for your phones, PC, laptops etc will be unaffected. That way the traffic is kept seperate between user use and the camera use. A decent router will be able to be configures to allow the computers on both networks to be viewed.
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Hmmm, I don't see your point there as network traffic is traffic. Separating them by subnetting is pretty pointless as you aren't out of usable host IP addresses. Separating them by using additional active switch gear might be a good idea but it's pointless again unless you have enough cameras to saturate the local LAN and are not running some sort of NVR.

If you are using an NVR which is directly cabled to each camera, the network traffic is kept to a Minimum anyway as it's the NVR that is acting as the switch, the only traffic across the network would be accessing it remotely to view, via phone or PC.

It all depends on the setup that you have I guess, can only comment on my own as I've not seen anyone else's setup.

G
 
Guess it can depend what type of switches you have aswell. Hub's will send the data to each device on the network, whereas a proper switch will only direct it out the port the traffic needs to go on.
 
Well a switch is a switch, designed to cut down on network traffic by reducing the broadcast domains.

I'd be worried if people here were still using hubs. Most of today's routers, Sky BT etc are all routers with inbuilt switches so that already rules out hubs at home for the most part.

G
 
Just saw you talking about cctv. I got a good deal on a cctv kit from my uncle, website sent 2 out and only charged for 1 but anyway, the problem is getting it installed cheaply or has anyone got any advice on the best way to install if i get the camera model?
 
Karen O' said:
Just saw you talking about cctv. I got a good deal on a cctv kit from my uncle, website sent 2 out and only charged for 1 but anyway, the problem is getting it installed cheaply or has anyone got any advice on the best way to install if i get the camera model?
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Best to get us model details. The cabling used is different depending on whether they're IP cameras or traditional analogue cameras
 
Seems like rg59 shotgun cable is what you need... Plus some BNC jacks to crimp on (with a crimp tool) and possibly some adapters for the power (to merge the two power cables from the rg59 into one adaptor that fits the camera plug)

In the past when I have bought, the power adapter I mention has come with the cameras

^^^ The above is all based on the assumption that you need to buy cables, as I assume they haven't provided any pre-made ones in the box?
 
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This is whats in the box
 

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It's not quick and easy to be honest. Like azi said above is right plus youl need a power supply to power the cameras. You have the dvr and camera but still a full installation is needed. You can buy screw on bnc's which means you don't need a crimping tool but screw on bnc's can be poor. Running a cable to each camera and back to the position you want your dvr to be based, the spot the power and rg59 cable, power to power supply and rg59 with the bnc's into the dvr. You might need to drill holes through your wall to get the cameras to the position you want them to aswell.
 
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Thanks chris. I wouldn't do it myself so have had a few quotes from people who kow what they r doing lol thanks
 
Should just be a days labourer for 2 guys really. For them to buy the cable and bits needed and 2 guys wages shouldn't be more than £350 I would say.
 
Chris5 said:
Should just be a days labourer for 2 guys really. For them to buy the cable and bits needed and 2 guys wages shouldn't be more than £350 I would say.
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I have been quoted £100 from someone i know so canr grumble at that
 
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