A liitle article on the subject of upsizing wheels and tyres on your car.

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I know that we all love our alloys, wether they be 16"/17"/18" or 19" or beyond but for those of us that are still sitting on the fence on the subject myself included , on upsizing etc and if it is really any better here is a little ditty I found on the subject ,
Yes they look the nuts but there are downsides to them too, just thought a bit of extra info for those of us that are not quite there yet or yet to be converted.

Effects of Upsized Wheels and Tires Tested
Plus-Size Models: Testing the performance effects of upsizing wheels and tires.

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The aesthetic appeal of larger wheels and tires is undeniable, but what about the alleged performance benefits? In general, larger wheels are heavier, and additional weight hinders performance. To examine the effects of installing larger wheels and tires, also known as “plus-sizing,” we tested five wheel-and-tire combinations—ranging from 15 to 19 inches—on a 2010 Volkswagen Golf and got a good sense of what is gained and lost in the process.

The plus-size concept basically works like this: As the wheel gets larger in diameter, the size of the tire’s sidewall must shrink to maintain the tire’s overall diameter. Keeping the overall tire diameter roughly the same is crucial to keeping the gearing the same and the speedometer accurate, as well as for making sure the wheels and tires fit within the fenders. But larger-diameter wheels and tires are often available only in enlarged widths as well.


Our test employed nearly identical Goodyear Eagle GT ultra-high-performance all-season tires in all five sizes, inflated to manufacturer-recommended pressures. We say that the tires were nearly the same because the 15-, 16-, and 17-inchers have a lower speed rating (V, or a top speed up to 149 mph) than the 18- and 19-inch tires’ W-rating (up to 168 mph). This, however, was as close as we could get to testing the same tire in every size. We used the stock steel wheels for the 15-inch test and went to the aftermarket for the larger wheels, as most owners would do. The aftermarket wheel we chose was a cast-aluminum ASA GT1, which is available in 16- to 19-inch sizes on the Golf. It’s obvious from the test that as wheels and tires grow in size, they also grow in weight. Here’s how the test shook out:


What’s immediately apparent from the results is that as the wheel-and-tire packages get larger and heavier, acceleration and fuel economy suffer. Neither is a huge surprise, but we measured a 10-percent drop in fuel economy and a four-percent degradation in 0-to-60-mph acceleration from the 15s to the 19s, which is worth considering should you be thinking about “going big.” Increasing wheel diameter and width, in turn, requires wider tires with shorter and stiffer sidewalls, which we found will increase skidpad grip, but as our test shows, there is a limit to this assertion. The 19-inch package came with the widest tires (235/35R-19) mounted to the widest wheels (8.5 inches), but this setup had less grip around the skidpad than the narrower 225/40R-18s on 8.0-inch-wide wheels. We asked the folks at Goodyear why that might be, and they postulated that the added width may have given the outside tire more grip, which would increase body roll and could therefore decrease the load on the inside tire enough to lose 0.01 g on the skidpad.



Surprisingly, the 225/40R-18s showed a big skidpad advantage compared with the 225/45R-17s (0.89 g versus 0.85 g). We suspect the difference is due to the grippier compound (lower wear rating) of the W-rated 18s. Goodyear does offer a W-rated GT in the 225/45R-17 size, which is what we intended to use, but Goodyear sent us the V-rated version for our test.

Subjectively, both the 17-inch and 18-inch wheels and tires were in the sweet spot of grip, braking performance, ride comfort, and steering feel. Moving from 17-inchers to 18s barely degrades ride quality, and the additional grip is welcome. We’d guess that a W-rated Eagle GT in the 17-inch size would come close to matching the grip of the W-rated 18, but we can’t say for certain without testing. Even with V-rated rubber, the per-formance of the 17s felt similar to that of the 18s. But since the 18-inch setup costs only $112 more than the 17-inch package, we’d probably opt for the 18s if we lived in a region with smooth roads and looks were a priority.

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We do know that the heavy, 19-inch setup suffered from the most impact harshness and seemed to tax the suspension the most. In contrast, the two smallest wheel-and-tire combos showed a propensity for more understeer on the skidpad but provided a more controlled and supple ride. And although it didn’t register on the dBA-meter, the 15- and 16-inch arrangements had a more pleasant sound quality than the larger tires.

The 19-inch wheels definitely look the coolest. But the 17- and 18-inch setups offer a better compromise of grip, acceleration, price, and ride harshness, so we’re not surprised VW uses 17- and 18-inch sizes on its hot Golf, the GTI. If it’s acceleration you’re after, stick with the smaller, lighter wheels and tires. And remember, unless you believe it is better to look good than to feel good, take our advice and stay away from extremely low-profile sidewalls and massively heavy wheels.
 
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Personally I'd trade off a minimal loss in performance and mpg for a car with wheels I like and that makes me happy every time I see it. My 20's weigh well less than most smaller wheels, I dread to think of what they would say about sticking a set of 19 or 20" reps on!!

Bottom line, There's nothing new in articles like these but you have to look at the actual figures to make an informed decision of what's more important to you, a car that looks the way you want it for example on 19s or a car that's 0.3 of a second to 60 faster on 15s, the weather probably has more effect on performance.

Taken from the same article,

 
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I wasn't suggesting the performance figure were that important, more so the overall effect between the differing size rim/tyre combo's etc . that's why I omitted that chart.
I love 19" alloys etc but 18" work better for me in my situation, everyone has differing views and expectations on the subject.
Your avant looks great with the rims choices etc you make , but they would not work in the real world for me, so looks win for me but for usage they are not the best solution.
 
I wasn't suggesting the performance figure were that important, more so the overall effect between the differing size rim/tyre combo's etc . that's why I omitted that chart.

Perhaps not Rob but the article does focus quite heavily on the performance/handling characteristics and that sways you into thinking the difference is far greater than the figures actually suggest. What they are saying is correct, you can't argue with physics but just because the wheel grows by 1" does not necessarily mean it will be harsher. A 19" at the lighter end of the scale will probably feel more comfortable and handle better than an 18 at the heavier end which is working the suspension far harder. As you say though for the majority practicality plays a major role but I still believe a good quality set of 19s are the best all round wheel choice, each to there own though.
 
I agree with you on the weight factor , the 18" RS4 reps I had were not that light but also not that heavy , so probably just an average 18" rep wheel in weight , the rials I have now fitted , same size 18" 8j et35's are way lighter and the weight reduction is very noticeable when driving, the steering is much more responsive etc, a very noticeable improvement over the previous rims.
 
This was in a magazine I was reading a few months ago. Audi know the value of reduced fuel consumption so fit smaller wheels and tyres when ever they can when the cars are being tested. I wonder how many people opt for the downsize to 18's from 19's on a Q7.
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This was in a magazine I was reading a few months ago. Audi know the value of reduced fuel consumption so fit smaller wheels and tyres when ever they can when the cars are being tested. I wonder how many people opt for the downsize to 18's from 19's on a Q7.
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Errm.... Not many I imagine!!!!

19s are already pretty small for such a big vehicle.... Got 21s on our Q7 and the sidewalls are still over 10cm deep, so not massively low profile!
 
Interesting reading, but for me it's about how it looks and stands. i like the look of 19 & 20s and therefore will end up with one or the other.
trade stance & looks over comfort always have done
 
I be very interested to know the average age of B7 owners on this forum....it may well answer several questions in one swoop on this subject.
 
Well, upping the sizes on wheels have always been about the 'looks' in my opinion or we would all be running drag radials haha.

Its definitely a trade off as I too (like Ajax) would be happy to put wheels that I am actually pleased with vs the performance aspect.

To put things in perspective, ive got 20inch reps which are crazy heavy but lets face it..i have a Cabriolet which was not designed for racing little S3's et all.

On a slight tangent..seeing a nice car with small wheels..is just the worse. Kinda like a massive T-rex with its small arms..
 
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So then thus far it looks like its only for looks then, other factors inc ride quality , suspension longevity , rim & tyre problems etc are of lesser importance .
 
I can't bring myself to do anything over 18" purely for driving experience.

I have driven performance cars with 19/20" wheels and supercars on similar and my preference is 17/18" due to the difference in the way the car feels. Yes I love the look of a set of S5 19" Rotors on an Avant and the RS4 on 19s but I couldn't do it for my driving taste.

I remember hunting for an E46 M3 and needing to find one with the 18s over the 19s purely due to the change in the cars handling due to them.
 
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I haven't got a lot of expirience with wheels but my car was Oem with BBs Ch 18'' 8J which i change with 8.5J A5's. Second set were heavier like KG but i can't really feel it a lot ! After them i put another OEm set of S4's Ronals and the steering wheels look to me to be the same ! NOW i put 19'' 8.5J Oz's and i can feel the difference 100% ! 1 OZ 19'' with tyre may be is same weight like A5's ! I'm very happy now and i never look for some replicas even if they are made from gold ! There is one saying - buy cheap pay twice :blackrs4: There is a reason why some wheels are selling for 300 quid and some 3000 !
I think that it is up the £££££££
 
nope price is not everything dimi, my rials are german made very high quality , super light, strong and TUV approved etc and were not expensive....
ride quality is superb .
 
I would never spend that sort of money on a set of car rims, wether 18" or 19" to be honest, just not worth it with the current road surface conditions these days, one large pothole full of rainwater and , well it wont be nice for the rim and tyre or both let alone possible damage to suspension parts.
I have spent that much on a pair of magnesium wheels for my duke , but to me that's a better purchase and i'll see a real benefit from them.
 
Our a4 has 19" replicas and although they fill the arch well and the ride is quite good I'm trying to find a decent set of 17/18's for it.
 
I have a set of28s sline spokes which are immaculate with Michelin Pilot 3s off my Quattro
Tyres were over £600

Willing To sell at reasonable price as I just got a set of RS6 genuine wheels and fitted with brand new PS3s