Good choice, are you going manual or S-Tronic.
I thought long & hard about which to get, the 1.6 or 2.0 & while the 1.6 is would have suited me perfectly well my heart kept telling me the 2.0 was the way to go & my heart eventually won.
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I thought long & hard about which to get, the 1.6 or 2.0 & while the 1.6 is would have suited me perfectly well my heart kept telling me the 2.0 was the way to go & my heart eventually won.
I have had the 1.6 TDI and now I'm onto the 2 litre TDI. The 2 litre is a big improvement, much better performance and only slightly less fuel economy. I get over 50 mpg all the time. I'd recommend the 2 litre TDI everyday of the week!
A few random observations from a strict petrol head:
1. I have had two 1.6tdis as courtesy cars. I would agree the engine is adequate, but there are times when I want a bit more than 'adequate'.
2. Perhaps a bit fussy of me, but I can't stand the noise of a diesel when idling. My 1.4 COD is almost silent on tick-over.
3. At motorway speeds the diesel is very quiet due to the low rpm, but with the 1.6 tdi 6th gear is nothing like as flexible as the 1.4 COD.
4. Another possibly fussy point: when you flick the starter with a tdi, nothing happens for a second or so, which I found disconcerting when the 1.4 COD bursts into life instatntly. I guess you would get used to that in time though.
5. When refuelling, if you splash a bit of diesel on your hand or shoe or something, the smell lingers for ages, whereas petrol soon vaporises (I presume).
6. A few years ago on holiday I drove a diesel Zafira for a week as a hire car whilst my 1.4 8P was parked at the airport. I got used to the diesel after a week of fairly intensive driving, but when I got back into my 8P the difference was unbelievable. It was so quiet and responsive. The Zafira was the 110 PS model, so slightly less powerful than the Audi. Before I bought that Audi I had considered a diesel version, but stayed with petrol as I was so impressed with the 1.4T engine. Driving the diesel comvinced me that Imhad made the right choice.
1. I have had two 1.6tdis as courtesy cars. I would agree the engine is adequate, but there are times when I want a bit more than 'adequate'.
2. Perhaps a bit fussy of me, but I can't stand the noise of a diesel when idling. My 1.4 COD is almost silent on tick-over.
3. At motorway speeds the diesel is very quiet due to the low rpm, but with the 1.6 tdi 6th gear is nothing like as flexible as the 1.4 COD.
4. Another possibly fussy point: when you flick the starter with a tdi, nothing happens for a second or so, which I found disconcerting when the 1.4 COD bursts into life instatntly. I guess you would get used to that in time though.
5. When refuelling, if you splash a bit of diesel on your hand or shoe or something, the smell lingers for ages, whereas petrol soon vaporises (I presume).
6. A few years ago on holiday I drove a diesel Zafira for a week as a hire car whilst my 1.4 8P was parked at the airport. I got used to the diesel after a week of fairly intensive driving, but when I got back into my 8P the difference was unbelievable. It was so quiet and responsive. The Zafira was the 110 PS model, so slightly less powerful than the Audi. Before I bought that Audi I had considered a diesel version, but stayed with petrol as I was so impressed with the 1.4T engine. Driving the diesel comvinced me that Imhad made the right choice.
Thanks. Good to hear you are please with the 2.0.
Have you ever seen the mpg pushing 60mpg?
In my usual commute to work with an average speed of around 60mph the DIS usually shows high 50s or low 60s. Today I did a slower run with an average of 54mph and the DIS was showing 71.2mpg. Is it likely that the 2.0 would ever deliver something close?
Have you ever seen the mpg pushing 60mpg?
In my usual commute to work with an average speed of around 60mph the DIS usually shows high 50s or low 60s. Today I did a slower run with an average of 54mph and the DIS was showing 71.2mpg. Is it likely that the 2.0 would ever deliver something close?
The best I have had from the 2 litre is 59mpg. Even with my heavy right foot I'm usually in the low to mid 50's. I think over 60 mpg could be done if driving with economy in mind.
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If you need to worry about re-sale value then as it looks like you are doing 25k a year diesel all the way.
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I eventually bought a 2.0tdi saloon. I didn't want to wait until Sept for the facelift model so went for a 6 month old car with 6kmiles on the clock. I've now covered about 3k miles and am averaging 64mpg according to the DIS. I've seen a couple of 70mpg but best so far has been 74mpg on a long run, mostly motorway but weather and roadworks kept my speed down to 55-65 range. Very please with the extra performance.
1.6 is the only engine with a single tail pipe too, I couldn't live with that in the looks department - good choice!
Went down to Brighton yesterday, 210 miles round trip at a steady 62 on motorway. DIS average 71 there & 65 return.
I have a 2.0TDI-184 stronic quattro at the moment and it's due for change early in 2017. I will be test driving new facelift version when they are available and I shall also test drive the new 2.0TFSI-190-stronic quattro to compare. As I still do around 14k miles a year, quite a bit of which is on the continent where diesel is still much cheaper than petrol so I will probably stay with the TDI. I must say I do like the slightly 'lazy' way the diesel drives with so much torque available and a low maximum revs but I'm sure the TFSI will be a bit quieter. Looking forward to the test drives.
Let us know how you feel the two compare as I am interested. Of course petrol will probably never compare to the out and out grunt of a diesel, but then each engine has it's merits. I have driven a A4 2.0tfsi with the same engine and a 2.0l tdi 150ps as well but I prefer the quieter smoother and more refined petrol engine. But then as I do only 5k a year only in the uk its not really a contest..
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Agreed cuke2u after a week in my company a4tdi it's a joy to get into the wife's a3 1.4 , peace and lightness. The petrol with low pressure turbos are not bad for low down torque these days.
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Based on recent events within the passing year that has led to car manufactures being exposed for maliciously retooling their cars to fool EPA testing which has resulted in a nationwide ban of new diesel vehicles to the West and penalties that are still being worked out.
Surely you knew this.
Surely you are also aware that the diesel gate scandal has helped boost Hybrid and Electric vehicles as being the alternative to gasoline.
http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2016/01/are-diesel-cars-dead-this-ceo-says-yes.html
I commend Audi for refocusing their efforts on providing green energy by phasing out their diesel offerings and committing to e-Tron hybrid cars as the alternative. As quite frankly don't need another fossil fuel alternative that's outputting pollutants 40x worse as Diesel was.
The reason diesel might die off in the UK is if the government actually go ahead with the additional tax referred to here http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/industry/britain’s-diesel-drivers-‘should-pay-£800-more-road-tax’ The article refers to the number of diesels have increased and it is my feeling that many are being sold to those who don't really need them. For example my finance manager has just got herself a diesel A3 but the car sits in a school car park each and every day where she drive to from her house less than a mile away.
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Agreed but policies take a while to work, I remember the first golf & Jetta diesels of the early 80's took a good 15 yrs for diesels to take hold , I do believe unless they can truthfully sort out the particle emissions diesel will be done in 15 yrs.
As for your FM ,my wife's a3 1.4 petrol does 7k a year stop start journeys , this thing averages 39mpg , Impressive.
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As for your FM ,my wife's a3 1.4 petrol does 7k a year stop start journeys , this thing averages 39mpg , Impressive.
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Based on recent events within the passing year that has led to car manufactures being exposed for maliciously retooling their cars to fool EPA testing which has resulted in a nationwide ban of new diesel vehicles to the West and penalties that are still being worked out.
Surely you knew this.
Surely you are also aware that the diesel gate scandal has helped boost Hybrid and Electric vehicles as being the alternative to gasoline.
http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2016/01/are-diesel-cars-dead-this-ceo-says-yes.html
I commend Audi for refocusing their efforts on providing green energy by phasing out their diesel offerings and committing to e-Tron hybrid cars as the alternative. As quite frankly don't need another fossil fuel alternative that's outputting pollutants 40x worse as Diesel was.
Hardly 'dead' yet
Audi for example still sell more diesels on the continent than petrol cars. This is mainly because diesel is much cheaper than petrol and quite a lot do quite high mileages. The diesel engine will only die when someone comes up with a better more economical engine for all millions of lorries and buses and not electric trains there are around the world. Cars powered by batteries have a long way to go (no pun intended) but when a A3 e-tron can only go 31 miles on electric only power and then takes a long while to recharge it is only suitable for very local journeys. A similar powered petrol engine still produces more co2 than the equivalent diesel and we still being told co2 is the main cause of global warming. When the engineers come up with a alternative power source than can do 500 miles on one charge and recharge in 5 minutes then I may be interested. But personally I don't think it will be in my life time.
It could be said though that diesels still produce more harmful emisions than a petrol. https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2013/jan/27/diesel-engine-fumes-worse-petrol https://www.researchgate.net/public...ironmental_comparison_hampered_by_uncertainty the problem being that there is this focus upon co2 in the past and ignoring the very harmful emisions a diesel produces especially buses and lorries.
But yes where you have a cheaper fuel than another the consumer will always perceive that they are getting a cheaper deal when in fact they might not.
http://www.whatcar.com/advice/buying/do-i-choose-petrol-or-diesel/
But yes where you have a cheaper fuel than another the consumer will always perceive that they are getting a cheaper deal when in fact they might not.
http://www.whatcar.com/advice/buying/do-i-choose-petrol-or-diesel/
The problem is some ways is which particular 'emission' is the most harmful. The harmful emissions from diesel are a heath issue when in an area of heavy concentration but harmful co2 has an effect of the entire planet. As this rate if we ban diesels we will all be a little healthier but have no planet to live on.
The problem at the moment is that hybrid cars like the A3 e-tron are fine if you only use the electric engine, but as soon as you want to go some distance and have to use the 1.4 petrol engine you get worse fuel consumption than an ordinary 1.4 because to have the added weight of the batteries to carry around. Manufacturers have spent a lot of time and effort make our car lighter to save fuel. Adding some large batteries does nothing for this weight saving.
Personally I will test drive both the 190 petrol and 184 diesel and purchase which one I prefer driving. If I was that concerned about the various emissions I would be buying a smaller engined car, perhaps the new 1.0 litre A3.
The problem at the moment is that hybrid cars like the A3 e-tron are fine if you only use the electric engine, but as soon as you want to go some distance and have to use the 1.4 petrol engine you get worse fuel consumption than an ordinary 1.4 because to have the added weight of the batteries to carry around. Manufacturers have spent a lot of time and effort make our car lighter to save fuel. Adding some large batteries does nothing for this weight saving.
Personally I will test drive both the 190 petrol and 184 diesel and purchase which one I prefer driving. If I was that concerned about the various emissions I would be buying a smaller engined car, perhaps the new 1.0 litre A3.
I quite agree with your first paragraph and it seems to be what ever emissions politician's deem to win votes are the flavour of the day. I still think it incorrect though, to promote diesel over that of a petrol engine to be safer for our environment when it is far from it.
