******* Audi and their big diesel engine scandal...

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Just received a letter from them saying that my engine EA189 Diesel engine is affected with the emissions issue...
they say that a fix will be upcoming but not resolved yet...

I thought the A6 wouldn't be affected as its a more premium car, guess i was wrong there

So now what guys? do you think a new engine? lol doubt that or would they do a software fix? does anyone know if my Road tax will go up now? or the value of my car drops significantly? Hate the fact that my car is affected with this =/

Anyone else got their letter yet ?

Wish i went with the 3.0 TDi arrrr. I only wanted to keep this car for a couple of years and sell it and buy a nother car but if it depreciates like crazy then that'll suck hard.

~Alex
 

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Alex1990 said:
Just received a letter from them saying that my engine EA189 Diesel engine is affected with the emissions issue...
they say that a fix will be upcoming but not resolved yet...

I thought the A6 wouldn't be affected as its a more premium car, guess i was wrong there

So now what guys? do you think a new engine? lol doubt that or would they do a software fix? does anyone know if my Road tax will go up now? or the value of my car drops significantly? Hate the fact that my car is affected with this =/

Anyone else got their letter yet ?

Wish i went with the 3.0 TDi arrrr. I only wanted to keep this car for a couple of years and sell it and buy a nother car but if it depreciates like crazy then that'll suck hard.

~Alex
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It will either be a software fix or a combined software/hardware fix depending on the exact spec of the engine at he time of manufacture. According to the head of VW UK yesterday the worst case on the hardware side is new injectors. The government have already stated they will not change the tax rating (road fund or income tax) for the affected cars, in part I suspect because the flaw in the software did nothing to affect the CO2 rating which dictates the tax band so any fix won't affect it either. The jury is still out on the impact to residual values but examples from elsewhere in the world (eg GM and Ignition Switches, Toyota and Airbags) has shown that it had no impact, although I guess if you tried to sell it today it may be an issue. Finally I suspect all of the affected marques will be doing their utmost to keep customers so you may find that you actually get an improved (VAG funded) deal from a franchised dealer as an act of good faith.
 
Vag said it would affect the A6 from outset. It is the engine and not the car is best way to think of it.

I suspect their will be a dramatic reduction in power to compensate for a cleaner car. You will have grounds for a buy back at a price that does not penalise you. I dare say Audi could be forced to offer the buy back.
 
I can't imagine that it's a big deal as the car just ran changed settings when a sensor was plugged in during the co2 test? All you guys should just carry on with your lives ;)

TX.
 
Alex1990 said:
I thought the A6 wouldn't be affected as its a more premium car, guess i was wrong there
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Why is it a more premium car than an A4, A5 or an A3?? More expensive because of its size but not more premium. As said, it's the Euro5 engine, not the car.
 
Scottyg said:
Why is it a more premium car than an A4, A5 or an A3?? More expensive because of its size but not more premium. As said, it's the Euro5 engine, not the car.
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i meant premiumn is the sense compared to VW or skodas thought i know its under the same VAG group, but thought it wouldn't have come across the Audi range... still abummer though.
 
Another thread on the subject ... Really?!
 
Scottyg said:
Why is it a more premium car than an A4, A5 or an A3?? More expensive because of its size but not more premium. As said, it's the Euro5 engine, not the car.
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By definition, price is a "premium", but it is also of superior quality, which is another definition of premium. And whilst we're at it, interior space is another definition of premium. In short, the A4 is more premium that the a3, the a6 more premium than the a4 and A5 and the a8 more premium than the a6.
 
terminator x said:
I can't imagine that it's a big deal as the car just ran changed settings when a sensor was plugged in during the co2 test? All you guys should just carry on with your lives ;)

TX.
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I think you are underestimating what a dramatic impact the defeat software has on the engine. The expected solution will at least include software changes which has to implement maximum environmental benefits, which will come at the cost of performance compromises. I doubt the car will ever be able to achieve the eu5 compliance no matter what they do to it.

For the people who have the affected engines, I feel for them.
 
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woollyjoe said:
By definition, price is a "premium", but it is also of superior quality, which is another definition of premium. And whilst we're at it, interior space is another definition of premium. In short, the A4 is more premium that the a3, the a6 more premium than the a4 and A5 and the a8 more premium than the a6.
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So if I'm reading this correct, space, price and superior quality is your definition of premium? So someone who spends 45k on an RS3 has a less superior car than someone who spends 35k on an A6? Or someone who spends 50k on an RS4 has a less superior car than a standard A8? My feeling is your definition of premium is the bigger the more expensive the better? Another name for that is materialistic.
 
In the UK and EU, the "road tax" is based on Co2 emissions. Diesel combustion engines produce less Co2 than like-for-like petrol engines. This "scandal" is all about Nox emissions which can be bad for people suffering from breathing problems. It's early days so too early to panic or get pessimistic. Experts to whom I have spoken think that the main alteration will be that the "test" program will be deleted from the ECU so that normal, real-world performance and economy will remain the same.
 
Scottyg said:
So if I'm reading this correct, space, price and superior quality is your definition of premium? So someone who spends 45k on an RS3 has a less superior car than someone who spends 35k on an A6? Or someone who spends 50k on an RS4 has a less superior car than a standard A8? My feeling is your definition of premium is the bigger the more expensive the better? Another name for that is materialistic.
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Mate - it's a dictionary definition. So as per the dictionary.

You're mixing "superior" with "premium". One is objective whilst the other is subjective.

In short, you are not reading correctly.
 
Retroman said:
In the UK and EU, the "road tax" is based on Co2 emissions. Diesel combustion engines produce less Co2 than like-for-like petrol engines. This "scandal" is all about Nox emissions which can be bad for people suffering from breathing problems. It's early days so too early to panic or get pessimistic. Experts to whom I have spoken think that the main alteration will be that the "test" program will be deleted from the ECU so that normal, real-world performance and economy will remain the same.
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I'll wait and see, although the engine is just not compliant as is so what would be the point of removing software the car will never use again?

It would make more sense that VAG find a way to make the car emit less particulates - ie more fuel efficient under normal driving conditions. They can't fix the engine so they will have to appease regulators.

The question is if consumers have the right to reject any proposed changes, and what recourse consumers have to reject the sale. Very messy and very understandable there are ****** off customers.
 
I'm reading it fine, buddy. It's all in the interpretation of the word and how you used it within the sentence.
 
Scottyg said:
I'm reading it fine, buddy. It's all in the interpretation of the word and how you used it within the sentence.
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Except I (and another forum member) used the word "premium" and you changed the word to "superior". It is semantics (as per your note about the context of the word) but it was used correctly originally, I offered a dictionary definition and even though you used the wrong word, you are still challenging others.

I don't see why the A6 would not be more premium than the a3 in any way? You challenged another forum member by asking why the A6 is more premium and said price was related to size. You were wrong on both accounts is all although I suspect you did it in good faith. Just setting you straight like you were attempting to do with Alex.

To help you on that other point about size - actually it costs almost (not exactly) the same to make these cars were it not for the rest of the contents such as double glazed front windows for example. Can we just agree you misunderstood the definition and move on?
 
I dont really care about all the other posters who put "Lol" or argue about what is "premium" and taking offense you're not helping the post just arguing for the sake of arguing haha. All i wanted to discuss was the real world setting such as re-sell value and mainly the performance side, because i've just installed a DTUK box and didn't really want to lose the new performance i've tasted haha

The gutting part would be sending it back to Audi and wasting a day so they can pull my performance of the car back, I do appreciate the other posters about the buy back etc

thank you for the input :)
 
Alex . we have two cars affected by this and at the moment we aren't worried as the cars still run ok.
My Tiguan and the wifes Golf GTD .
While I agree its not a good advert for the VW AUDI group in the past Toyota had major recalls and they are still doing ok If the fix will lower the bhp or worsen mpg then we will be concerned but for now I would just enjoy your car and wait till the fix is announced , meantime if you think changing your car will settle the mind then good luck .
Let us know what you do .
All the best
 
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The nature of the defeat code is that it can't affect quattro cars (most A6's)... The 204PS 3.0TDI could theoretically be affected and I think the later generation of 2.0TDI's are affected.

It's still a good car, it's not a safety issue and I don't think it even impacts your fuel economy (certainly not if your trip computer is reasonably accurate based on your own test - most are).... the only thing it does is to effectively put the car into a low-emissions "lite limp" mode when it detects that the car is in on a low speed rolling road with emissions testing equipment connected.
 
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In all honesty, VW Group just needs to hold their hands up and be honest about how many actual cars has this hardware/software cheat...

As this investigation gets longer and more thorough, they're just going to run into heaps of trouble, digging themselves a deeper hole.

I personally believe that there are more manufaturers than VW Group who are practising this method of emissions cheating (one way or another!)

We'll all see the big companies on tabloids i reckon ;)
 
Auto x press states VW are to pay £658 to us owners for dieselgate but british owners must wait .


Just got this off another forum
BBC News Item

Don't know if they will be allowed to do this though ......
 
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Pinky1959 said:
Auto x press states VW are to pay £658 to us owners for dieselgate but british owners must wait .


Just got this off another forum
BBC News Item

Don't know if they will be allowed to do this though ......
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Looks like UK customers may get up to £1500 - http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/industry/vw-emissions-scandal-fixes-announced-ea189-diesel-engines, plus the changes required do not seem on the face of it to be too drastic. Of course the proof will be when someone is able to do a full set of performance tests on a car before and after the fix and compare the results. I am sure all of the motoring journals will be keeping an affected car to hand for just such an experiment
 
elan2s said:
Looks like UK customers may get up to £1500 - http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/industry/vw-emissions-scandal-fixes-announced-ea189-diesel-engines, plus the changes required do not seem on the face of it to be too drastic. Of course the proof will be when someone is able to do a full set of performance tests on a car before and after the fix and compare the results. I am sure all of the motoring journals will be keeping an affected car to hand for just such an experiment
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Only £1500 trading in incentive for some higher end models...A bit misleading your post, but Audi may offer a buy back at market rate hmm.

A good read, and gutted now that the 3.0l are affected up to 2016 lol

the new sopftware fix I can guarantee will lose performance as they haven't shown any numbers or anything yet...I guess time will see, and I'm goign to wait for someone first to go for software update before I send mine down too.
 
Don't think this applies to people like me who purchased used I don't think?

I purchased my BiTdi because it had over 300bhp! So if any map update reduces this figure, you can bet I'm not turning up to an Audi dealership anytime soon! lol
 
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You just need to turn the tuning box up one click and you will probably get back any losses.
This video shows the flow stabiliser that will be fitted to the 1.6 TDI , Not very high tech or expensive.

 
looks like there just putting in a restrictor to minimise the air flow
 
That kind of device is fitted to lots of cars. It is a flow straightener and tries to keep the air in laminar flow rather than turbulent flow which means the MAF is more likely to get the correct reading. It's not going to make a lot of difference on a 1.6 TDI but I suspect that people will very quickly remove it anyway.
 
Right, fella at work reckons he played hardball with vw and reckons he got 40% off and paid £15 grand for a new golf. No idea what golf but I smell ********. Says they bought his affected car back. Thoughts?
 
It won't need reprograming . Any chnages made won't be that big. They have so much on ATM it will be months before they get around to doing anything.
 
This topic has gone very quite ,has there been any more news ? Ive had no word from Audi regarding my A6 30tdi ?
 
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This topic has gone very quite ,has there been any more news ? Ive had no word from Audi regarding my A6 30tdi ?
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No news is good news for this topic! ;)

U.K. Owners won't be getting any compensation, and my A6 is pretty quick as it is, so I don't want a recall!
 
So has anyone bought or sold an Audi since this news and were the prices or bartering ability effected at all?
 
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