VAG Admit Cheating Diesel Emmissions...

The real crackdown on emissions started in 2009 with the euro 5 level which had significantly harsher targets to meet than euro 4 (2005)

The introduction of DPF filters around that time (probably) helped the older engine (which was basically the 1.9 TDI PD from the very late 90's) meet this one, but not a lot could be done to meet euro 5 targets with that architecture, so they cheated to do so.

It's possible something could have been done to cheat euro 4 also, but I doubt anyone would have stomach to dig that deep to investigate. Most of the cars would have depreciated to a level where no one is going to loose a great deal over them and how can you test the emissions on a engine that is over 6-7 years old...

Its easy to find out and test there's a problem with the euro 5 cars as they are still selling them new at the moment!!

As some people have already mentioned VW got greedy and thought they could get away without developing a new engine - until the writting was on the wall and the new euro 6 targets necessitated the EA288.

I may be barking completely up the wrong tree but that's how I read it anyhow. Only time will tell.
 
I wonder which company actually did the development on these engines VW or Audi. After all the engines involved are actually built by Audi at their plant in Gyor in Hungary and used in Audi, VW, Seat and Skoda cars. Obviously VW are the parent company but who actually does the engine design and development.
 
I'm sure VW would very quickly have told us if it was a different part of the company, and had one of them stand down instead!
 
Flibble said:
Question is, if they lied about one engine, how many more are they lying about? I wouldn't count on the EA288 being clean.
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Quite - if they had to cheat on the EU5 engines, I doubt they suddenly found a way not to have to with the EU6 ones!
 
The only point is that the EU5 engines had problems meeting the standard but the EU6 engine was designed from the start to meet the reduced emission levels required to meet the new standards.
 
h5djr said:
The only point is that the EU5 engines had problems meeting the standard but the EU6 engine was designed from the start to meet the reduced emission levels required to meet the new standards.
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I'm somewhat sceptical that any diesel without an adblue system can meet EU5 let alone EU6.
 
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cemerson said:
Quite - if they had to cheat on the EU5 engines, I doubt they suddenly found a way not to have to with the EU6 ones!
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Totally agree with h5djr, the more I read the more it makes sense. I've posted a link which details the EA288 engine, it's 100% new and looks to have been designed to meet the standards.

http://www.greencarcongress.com/2014/03/20140322-ea288.html

VW knew the testers were on to them even before euro 6 levels, so they would be stupid* not to have ensured this engine would pass. (although prob keeping to industry standards by running thin oil/tapped up joints/no alternator loading/lowest possible weight etc.)

*Some would say they have already been stupid to have done this, i would just call it devious - they very nearly got away with it and surely some bean counter thought the risk was worth it.
 
It looks like I have the CGLC engine. " absolutely no idea if this is correct. Any of you chaps decipher this number as it's totally got me???.
 

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I'm in the US with a 2015 TDI and my engine code is CRUA, and the US erwin site shows mine as EA288 - same as the non-US site. FYI my car has AdBlue. Not sure what the hell this info provides folk in the UK, but there it is. Maybe they just screwed around with our EA288 engines to meet the California standards.. Link below if it's of any use.

https://erwin.audiusa.com/erwin/showSearch.do
 
foursprungducktechnique said:
Totally agree with h5djr, the more I read the more it makes sense. I've posted a link which details the EA288 engine, it's 100% new and looks to have been designed to meet the standards.

http://www.greencarcongress.com/2014/03/20140322-ea288.html

VW knew the testers were on to them even before euro 6 levels, so they would be stupid* not to have ensured this engine would pass. (although prob keeping to industry standards by running thin oil/tapped up joints/no alternator loading/lowest possible weight etc.)

*Some would say they have already been stupid to have done this, i would just call it devious - they very nearly got away with it and surely some bean counter thought the risk was worth it.
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The engines available with the A3 at launch were all new as well, and EU5 was already a standard at that point, so not sure why it would be any different!
 
Its all very confusing as to exactly what cars will be recalled, and as rightly said above we will all know for sure soon enough. From what I can gather it seems some EU5 diesel engines, EA189 whichever one that is and I think very few more, I assume the S3 is not affected - is my assumption correct?
 
Either way I find it hard to believe that they are not pulling the wool with more than has been leaked, and equally that this scam is limited to just VAG!
 
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Scottyg said:
I thought they had admitted the 1.2TFSI had the same software?
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I've not seen that reported anywhere. Also a big part of the software is disabling either the NOx trap or adblue system on diesels, neither of which the 1.2TFSI has.
 
Well went to look at part exchanging the parents Q3 earlier for a Land Rover and was told by the dealer they can't PX any VAG group car until all this is sorted out
 
Banny93 said:
Well went to look at part exchanging the parents Q3 earlier for a Land Rover and was told by the dealer they can't PX any VAG group car until all this is sorted out
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Any vag car? I would strongly complain to the management that they do not understand the issue thus I would not do business with them.
 
musicegbdf said:
Yet !
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I would have thought that unlikely as they've been over all every type of vag car like a rash thus it will be more likely other manufacturers implicated in fixing their diesel emission tests than petrol engines. As I stated earlier the defeat software only works on diesel. Of course the knock on effect might be that someone will start bleating on about how they lie about the mpg figures.
 
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Just checking in on this thread my engine code listed in the service book is CLHA which appears to be EA288, does that look right? Car is a 2014 A3 SE.
 
cuke2u said:
Any vag car? I would strongly complain to the management that they do not understand the issue thus I would not do business with them.
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Why waste your time strongly complaining if you aren't going to do business with them?
 
kc1174 said:
Bit of an update here:

http://www.latimes.com/business/autos/la-fi-hy-vw-diesel-recall-plan-announced-20150929-story.html
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Well, this 'software update' will be watched closely. If it simply decreases power and economy to get around this then, even though my car allegedly isn't affected, I am highly unlikely to by a VW or even a German car again.

Also, brace yourself for spin-off problems from this and a scandal with petrols. They're trying to contain it as a VW and diesel problem but I can't imagine that it will remain so.
 
On the 6:00 news tonight a Volkswagen dealer said this could cost their
dealership 1 million dollars in potential sales a month. The dealers said
they don't know if the fix is a simple software upgrade or they might have to
take the whole engine apart. (U.S.)
 
I know we can check some emissions through VCDS readiness (don't think NOx levels), but is there a way to track emissions while driving with VCDS? I've only really used mine for adaptations and such, but I'd be interested to see if I can graph out emissions on a couple of runs (urban, mixed and highway) and see what goes on.
 
AStaley said:
Just checking in on this thread my engine code listed in the service book is CLHA which appears to be EA288, does that look right? Car is a 2014 A3 SE.
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Mine's also CLHA - it's a 2013 (MY2014 ?) A3 1.6 tdi.
Are we saying the 1.6 is unaffected (at the moment) ?
 
Mine is a 2010 CFG ., I can't find out if it is a ea 189.
I about to sell it to finance my new S3.
Updated with WBAC and no drop from before this broke.
Am booked to sell on Saturday. Let's see what happens....
 
Just got a definite value on my S3 and hasnt dropped in the last 6 weeks

Petrol Audis will be strong now
 
Mine goes in next Monday to investigate a horrible noise on start up (2.0 TDI 2014) so I will be asking all about it and trying to get some answers on what they plan to do.

I imagine they've been told in the showrooms not to say anything and wait for official statements.
 
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Mine's also CLHA - it's a 2013 (MY2014 ?) A3 1.6 tdi.
Are we saying the 1.6 is unaffected (at the moment) ?
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All 1.6TDI engines including the 2014 Model year were EU5 which means you're car will be affected.

My wife has an 2011 A1 with the 1.6TDI engine and that is also EU5 but she is just in the process of changing it through a VW dealer for a new 1.2TFSI Polo. The A1 is on a PCP agreement and the dealer is still quite happy. My own 2014 2.0TDI-184 is an EU6 engine so is not of the 393,450 Audi's affected
 
its still not clear if ea288 euro5 engines are caught up in this either. it looks like ea288 euro6 are ok and ea189 euro5 are 'bad', but what about those with a transitional engine?
Dad has a Q3 which is a year newer than my A3 but i'm pretty sure that his is a ea189 euro5 because its 140bhp. talk about making things complicated for us customers :)
 
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