VAG Admit Cheating Diesel Emmissions...

Can't say I know exactly what's going really, I'm not really one for following everything in the news etc as I don't buy news papers or watch much TV news, far too busy for that! I tend to just get on with my life happy go lucky. Anywho I heard about some sort of scam with VAG cars emissions, does any of it affect me and my 2015 S3? (i.e future running costs and more importantly future resale value?), I expect (from a quick flick through this thread) that it's too early to know!

Anyway, to lighten the doomy gloomy mood of those worried I saw this lot on facebook, made me smile :)

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Enjoy!
 
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ACWKGYTO said:
http://www.cnbc.com/2015/09/25/vw-faces-about-the-worst-situation-ex-gm-exec.html

Diesel doesnt make sense and hasnt for a while
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There's a few people desperate to jump on the bandwagon for their own ends understandably, which is why we've had all this 'dirty diesel' and furore over nitrogen oxide nonsense recently. The only way to get petrols more efficient is to go the much more expensive hybrid route. Petrols are over on the road to electric drivetrains. Unfortunately for VW, they've left the door ajar.
 
foursprungducktechnique said:
Just found an article in autoexpress that implies new euro 6 engines could be ok:
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The Volkswagen Group's share prices have fallen nearly 20 per cent since the allegations began. However, Volkswagen have confirmed that new vehicles from the Volkswagen Group meet the latest EU diesel emissions regulations.

In the UK and Europe, all new diesel cars must meet the new Euro 6 standards where each new car sold cannot exceed 0.080g NOx per km.

Volkswagen said:"New vehicles from the VW Group with EU 6 diesel engines currently available in the European Union comply with legal requirements and environmental standards."
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Well, they meet the legal requirements because they've passed the emission tests...............

However, the newer engines are a completely different design. VW's stupid decision was to get a TDi engine design from the last decade to do things that it simply couldn't do, presumably to save on costs and cut time-to-market. It will cost them. They've had no end of trouble with it, including the fuel pump fiasco. They should have just told all customers they were retrofitting new engines, which they might now need to do.
 
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“VW had a chance to fix the problem, and they continued to try and cheat and do what they had done. That’s just amazing.”

John German

German published the research in May 2014 and handed it over to the Environment Protection Agency (EPA). “There was an expectation that they would find out what was causing the higher-than-expected emissions,” he said. “We did send a courtesy copy to VW to say ‘vehicles B and C are your vehicles and you might like to know’, we had no response.”

There was no response from the EPA either, but keen-eyed German noticed an EPA press release in which VW agreed to recall almost 500,000 vehicles in December 2014 to reinstall software, which it said would solve the higher-than-expected emissions.

However, a couple of months later the California Air Resources Board (Carb) carried out spot checks and discovered that the “defeat device” software – used to dramatically reduces nitrogen oxide (NOx) emissions only when the cars are undergoing strict emission tests – was still present.

http://www.theguardian.com/business...-scandal-emissions-tests-john-german-research
 
How do people know if there a3 is a euro 5 or euro 6 we picked up our 2.0 tdi in December last year trying to find out.
 
By default that website shows figures for the current model which will be euro6.
Try clicking 'car search', then 'used car search' and try again. There is no way of selecting year/month/week of manufacture so it's not going to be easy to work out from their list. I'd hope the V5 is correct even if its not the answer you want.
However remember that UK spec euro5 engines may be OK, just because the US ones fail the emission tests doesn't mean ours will need any remedial work.

Ideally all the euro5's will get a new engine fitted by Audi....that means you can drive it like you stole it knowing you've got a new engine on the way. Wouldn't that be fun :racer:
 
Pick my A3 up Friday and I can't be more excited... F**k all this bs that's going on, just gonna be another way for the 'claim culture' we live in to make a quick buck.
 
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Well we got our a3 on pcp I'm not paying what we pay on a monthly basis for them to rip it apart to swap engine ****** car is only 10 month old they can keep car and cancel pcp. Anyway I thought it would only be a software update to solve it if we are affected.
 
This will go on for a while yet. In the meantime just go out and enjoy your cars!!
 
Swap engines ?. All they will do is a re-map on the ECU to tell the NOx trap box to turn on while you are driving. Which in turn will increase the burn rate of the diesel and give you less MPG(and maybe power ?)
 
According to the Price and Specification Guide dated 10/13 for the 2014 model year which I used to purchase my current A3 the 1.6TDI and the 2.0TDI-150 engines are EU5 but the 2.0TDI-184 versions, like mine, are EU6.

The latest Price and Specification Guide dated 06/15 for the 2016 model year quotes all the diesel engines as being EU6.
 
Codlot said:
Blaming the staff now!

“unlawful behaviour of engineers and technicians involved in engine development”
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********. This was as a result people high up asking an engine to do what it simply couldn't. They are only digging the hole deeper.
 
Codlot said:
Swap engines ?. All they will do is a re-map on the ECU to tell the NOx trap box to turn on while you are driving. Which in turn will increase the burn rate of the diesel and give you less MPG(and maybe power ?)
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They will want to do that, obviously, but that will cause other issues such as people not wanting to bring the car in or unofficial remaps.

They either fix this properly or the hole gets deeper.
 
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My 2.0 TDi 150 has the following figures from the V5:

CO: 0.144

NOx: 0.065

HC+NOx: 0.101

Does that mean it's a Euro 6 or Euro 5 ??
 
Thanks Both, Appreciated.

From reading the posts, presume now that it's a waiting game to see what action is to be taken - if any.
Having a Euro 6 Engine does that mean the likelihood of any action is zero / lower / higher than expected.

Has it been established that Audi are actual offenders, or is VW still out there on their own at the moment ??
Also, is the UK / EU requirement a lot different to the US requirement.

Or is all the above what people are waiting to hear / be announced going forward.

Cheers.
 
Are all the A3 potentially affected, I've the 2.0 tdi sline salon, the links above state Euro 6 but can't see any Nox figures (on mobile so maybe not presented properly).
 
I thought there is no Nox requirement for emission tests for cars currently on the road ( eg mot).
Surely the logical situation in the UK is that cars currently registered would not be affected .. There might be a fine for VAW . I saw an interview with a uk MEP who is on the emissions committee.
She said they would increase the standards for the future , but manufacturers will be given time for development so would not start to at least 2017.
As to any manufacturer ( not just vw) who has breached regs ,there will already be procedures in place.
We should note how silent other manufacturers are being.
I cannot see 11 million new engines being fitted !
At worst there will be a recall fur Ecu update , and then once you have your box ticked officially the aftermarket guys will get the performance back for a charge.
Politically the EU have to give VW a slap wrist but cannot afford VW to suffer too much.
I am currently selling my 2010 Tdi 170 to finance my new S3 and WBAC have not reduced there offer as of yesterday...
 
I think you are probably correct on the above. The more I read and listen its cars with Euro 5 engines that are probably going to be first to be looked at and Euro 6 second, if at all. For a lot of owners out there on PCPs or lease deals of 3 or so years I really can't see their cars being affected if they are in a Euro 6 car. To recall the amount cars that are suggested will take years to put into place and catch all.
My only worry is the Euro6 cars have the defeat Software on them to get the figures they have.
I'm still going out and enjoying my car and so should everyone else.
I had a 520d Msport 09 plate 5 years ago. That thing was heavier, bigger and more more powerful than my current A3 and was averaging 52 mpg. Are we kidding ourselves that the BM was able to get that mpg out of that size of car without doing something similar to Audi??? There is still along way to go in this story across all manufacturers.
 
Snibo said:
Thanks Both, Appreciated.

From reading the posts, presume now that it's a waiting game to see what action is to be taken - if any.
Having a Euro 6 Engine does that mean the likelihood of any action is zero / lower / higher than expected.

Has it been established that Audi are actual offenders, or is VW still out there on their own at the moment ??
Also, is the UK / EU requirement a lot different to the US requirement.

Or is all the above what people are waiting to hear / be announced going forward.

Cheers.
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As Audi produce most of the engines used by VW, Audi, SEAT and Skoda in the Audi engine plant in Gyor in Hungary I assume it affects all models in the VAG group. It is far more likely that the software was produced by Audi engineers than by VW themselves.
 
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The current VW diesel engine scandal is not the first time the German company has mislead its customers, as demonstrated in this exclusive retrospective.

1950 – When asked who founded company, claims to have ‘forgotten his name. Oh you know, chap with a moustache. Look, it’s not important.’

1961 – Denies the existence of water, especially for cooling engines.

1973 – Admits to over 30 years of fitting engines ‘at the wrong end’.

1981 – Launches Polo mk2, pretends not to know what ‘brakes’ are.

1989 – Claims front bumper brackets of facelift mk2 Golf are ‘definitely strong enough’.

1991 – Promises glovebox lid of mk3 Golf will stay closed.

1995 – Describes Polo Harlequin as ‘stylish’.

1997 – Accidentally uses GTI badge on mk4 Golf.

2003 – Claims to have sold a Phaeton to someone.

2006 – Admits all Passat TDIs in the outside lane of British motorways have secret ‘bellend mode’.

http://sniffpetrol.com/2015/09/24/volkswagen-a-history-of-deceit/#.VghJE6JNJAY

:D

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Martin really needs to sell his cars - not :laughing:

The former chief executive of Volkswagen, Martin Winterkorn, will net a €1m (£740,000) annual pension from a €28.5m pot held with the disgraced carmaker, and could be in line for a €3.2m payoff after quitting on Wednesday.

Winterkorn, who was one of Europe’s highest-paid executives, with a salary of €1.6m boosted to nearly €16m last year with bonuses and loyalty payments, finally fell on his sword as the extent of the emissions test-rigging scandal emerged.(The Guardian)
 
mfl said:
Martin really needs to sell his cars - not :laughing:

The former chief executive of Volkswagen, Martin Winterkorn, will net a €1m (£740,000) annual pension from a €28.5m pot held with the disgraced carmaker, and could be in line for a €3.2m payoff after quitting on Wednesday.

Winterkorn, who was one of Europe’s highest-paid executives, with a salary of €1.6m boosted to nearly €16m last year with bonuses and loyalty payments, finally fell on his sword as the extent of the emissions test-rigging scandal emerged.(The Guardian)
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Id feel sick reading that if I was an employee of VW...I hope they have a union !

Meanwhile...http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/09/27/german_regulator_sets_vw_deadline/

Germany's Federal Motor Transport Authority, KBA, has lost patience with scandal-plagued Volkswagen and has given it a deadline.

By October 7, the regulator says, Volkswagen has to submit its plan for bringing its cars into line with European emissions regulation – and this time, no cheating.

That's going to be a tough ask for VW: while the software that cheated on emissions tests will be easily patched, it can only be done with a big hit to the performance of cars on the road.
 
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