How do you know that vw car values will be affected, and all their vehicles, I doubt it. However I think we need to see what the outcome is first before panicking. All manufacturers could be sucked into this one so we need to wait and see...
VAG Admit Cheating Diesel Emmissions...
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Not panicking just a discussion/debate
The automotive industry is fascinating, you couldnt make it up
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I hope the problems get sorted out and lead to cleaner air but also that people who have invested their hard earned money dont lose out
Realistically, most VW owners won't care as long as their car doesn't break down or suddenly reduce MPG. Yeah, it's false advertising and cheating but all manufacturers fudge results and if someone's really that paranoid about the environment they wouldn't own a car.
The combustion engine is dirty and there's also loads of pollution created manufacturing an electric car, never mind charging it so getting upset that your VW Diesel is actually dirtier than you thought is surprising to me.
The combustion engine is dirty and there's also loads of pollution created manufacturing an electric car, never mind charging it so getting upset that your VW Diesel is actually dirtier than you thought is surprising to me.
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Where have you been ?
I think its pretty much all been said, until we hear some more news
Such as the S3 is now in the top car tax bracket !!!!
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In my car not worrying about emissions
.....easily the funniest comment I've read all night!!
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Quite funny....its a dog talking to a pair of supersport seats
Yeah, think you've got problems? try reaching the pedals with four short legs and tail that spoils the seating position 
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Uh oh!
Potential petrol cars and performance reductions. ...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...port/11883357/vw-scandal-petrol-car-risk.html
Potential petrol cars and performance reductions. ...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...port/11883357/vw-scandal-petrol-car-risk.html
I'm not a diesel kinda guy, so IM'd a few colleagues who are, and they say......
There is (speculation) a clever algorithm that detects when it's on a test cycle (steering angle input, rev range duration, barometric pressure, only driven wheels turning etc). If it thinks it's on an emissions test cycle, it will alter the EGR to give lowest NOx, as well as altering the air:fuel ratio for cleanest burn.
When it's not on a test cycle, the map is optimised for max economy or power, depending on inputs. Not optimised for NOx emissions.
There is (speculation) a clever algorithm that detects when it's on a test cycle (steering angle input, rev range duration, barometric pressure, only driven wheels turning etc). If it thinks it's on an emissions test cycle, it will alter the EGR to give lowest NOx, as well as altering the air:fuel ratio for cleanest burn.
When it's not on a test cycle, the map is optimised for max economy or power, depending on inputs. Not optimised for NOx emissions.
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I think it also increases adblue injection in cars which have it.
The EPA report specifically mentions SCR devices (which is what adblue is used in) and lean NOx traps. No mention of EGR or other fuelling parameter changes, but it wouldn't surprise me if they were altered.
The EPA report specifically mentions SCR devices (which is what adblue is used in) and lean NOx traps. No mention of EGR or other fuelling parameter changes, but it wouldn't surprise me if they were altered.
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If thats true I want my money back ! They can shove my S3 up their Duetsche Arschloch
So far it's just clickbait headlines. There's an actual complaint about the diesels at least, petrols are just the papers trying to drum up outrage.
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I agree with the values dropping. Especially here in the US. Am not sure what the A3 prices are there for diesel vs petrol, but here diesel fuel is more expensive than petrol, and the TDIs are/were about $3k more than the equivalent 2.0 TFSI quattro. If mpgs drop after this recall, dealers will drop the prices like a stone to get rid of them. Forget the whole scandal for a moment, but why would someone pay more for a car that costs more to fill up for similar mpgs? Add to that the cost of adblue which will need to be refilled more often after the recall.
Diesel fuel more than petrol, really? I was in the US a few weeks back and diesel was cheaper by a good margin (typically 20-30c/gallon)
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Yep, here in Florida at least. Petrol is currently around $2 a gallon, and diesel was $2.45 when I filled up last night. Might be regional, but I know in North Carolina it's about 30c more vs petrol. The one good thing about diesel here at least is the price isn't as volatile as petrol and only fluctuates in winter when home heating oil is in greater demand, but it's still more than petrol is. Go to the gasbuddy site and throw in 33635 as the zip code and switch between "gas" and diesel and you'll see what I mean
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Where in Cheshire are you from btw? Grew up in Congleton until I emigrated here 12 yrs ago. I'll stop bitching about fuel prices tho since I know when I was there in April it cost me close to £50 to drive from Manchester airport to Congleton to Chester, to Warrington and back in a nice little A1 lol
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Its called indirect taxation....it is supposed to pay for things like our national health service !
Meanwhile Volkswagen shares take another hammering this morning, now around 46% drop in the last 3 days, investors are selling their shares at a huge rate...VW are toxic right now !
Meanwhile Volkswagen shares take another hammering this morning, now around 46% drop in the last 3 days, investors are selling their shares at a huge rate...VW are toxic right now !
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So far the noise has been all about diesels. If the technology has been used to alter emissions in diesel engines, then you could probably bet that VAG aren't the only ones at it and also that similar technology has been used in petrol engined vehicles.
I thought it was just Nox?
However even if this did change the CO2 rating for your car, it will not affect you. HMRC don't tend to backdate things like this. For example my 1.4 TFSI COD was originally 109 CO2, but this recently changed to 114 which is a tax bracket higher. Though I'm not affected as I "got in" while it was 109.
If they DID want to backdate for some reason, then you have a claim against Audi/VW.
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Thats the issue Nox levels are produced from both petrol and diesel and were never taken into account in the UK, hence massive amounts of polluting diesel cars were sold because they produce a bit less co2 and more mpg, but much higher levels of nox pollution which is a major health concern.
How much extra nox pollution have Vw group cars caused over the last 6 years ??? How many premature deaths ??
http://www.theguardian.com/business...y-1m-tonnes-of-extra-pollution-analysis-shows
It is yet to be discovered whether petrol cars are also producing these high levels of nox, when not being tested on a cheating test set up !
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VW owners arent going to like the fix ?
Options VW might come up with could be
Running the car on the test mode ?
Adding the costly adblue system ?
http://www.wired.com/2015/09/vw-owners-arent-going-like-fixes-diesels/
Options VW might come up with could be
Running the car on the test mode ?
Adding the costly adblue system ?
http://www.wired.com/2015/09/vw-owners-arent-going-like-fixes-diesels/
The more I read about this, the more disappointed I am.
So much for the famed "German engineering" that they like to talk about - looks like American engineering is better considering their competitors in the US have clean diesel cars without cheating tests.
However the interior of Audi's are such high quality, their S-Line cars look great (IMO) and their TFSI engines are brilliant...despite all this, it doesn't put me off buying another VW car.
Maybe a Lamborghini next time.
So much for the famed "German engineering" that they like to talk about - looks like American engineering is better considering their competitors in the US have clean diesel cars without cheating tests.
However the interior of Audi's are such high quality, their S-Line cars look great (IMO) and their TFSI engines are brilliant...despite all this, it doesn't put me off buying another VW car.
Maybe a Lamborghini next time.
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This is why I went mad about this on Monday when I heard.....its a disgraceful breach of trust to all VW Audi customers whatever they drive !
Class Action filed source Guaurdian http://www.theguardian.com/business...-chinese-economy-fears-vw-crisis-live-updates
W faces class actions
Volkswagen faces the prospect of a massive legal battle over the emissions-fixing scandal, as customers seek redress.
Several legal firms have already filed class action lawsuits. The latest is Clifford Law of Chicago, who argues that consumers who bought a VW car have been shortchanged.
Sky News has the details:
A US law firm has begun a class action lawsuit against Volkswagen over the “defeat devices” used to fool exhaust emissions tests.
Robert Clifford, partner at Chicago’s Clifford Law, said the impact on consumers was “massive” and that car buyers had not got what they paid for.
Mr Clifford said people were also affected because of “diminution of value” - meaning their car could now be worth less.
The law suit has been filed at a district court in northern Illinois.
More here: Firm Launches Volkswagen Emissions Lawsuit
Another law firm, Hagens Berman of Seattle, filed a lawsuit seeking class-action status over the weekend, shortly after VW was accused of cheating on US emission tests.
A Canadian legal outfit, Sutts, Strosberg LLP of Windsor, Ontario, is seeking $1bn in damages and an additional $100m.
Lawyer Harvey Strosberg told a press conference on Tuesday that any Canadian with a Volkswagen diesel car made before September 2015 can add their name to the suit.
Faced with this phalanx of m’learned friends, Volkswagen has hired the US law firm Kirkland & Ellis LLP.
Kirkland & Ellis led BP’s defence after the Deepwater Horizon disaster in the Gulf of Mexico. Volkswagen’s emissions scandal is arguably the biggest corporate crisis since BP.
Class Action filed source Guaurdian http://www.theguardian.com/business...-chinese-economy-fears-vw-crisis-live-updates
W faces class actions
Volkswagen faces the prospect of a massive legal battle over the emissions-fixing scandal, as customers seek redress.
Several legal firms have already filed class action lawsuits. The latest is Clifford Law of Chicago, who argues that consumers who bought a VW car have been shortchanged.
Sky News has the details:
A US law firm has begun a class action lawsuit against Volkswagen over the “defeat devices” used to fool exhaust emissions tests.
Robert Clifford, partner at Chicago’s Clifford Law, said the impact on consumers was “massive” and that car buyers had not got what they paid for.
Mr Clifford said people were also affected because of “diminution of value” - meaning their car could now be worth less.
The law suit has been filed at a district court in northern Illinois.
More here: Firm Launches Volkswagen Emissions Lawsuit
Another law firm, Hagens Berman of Seattle, filed a lawsuit seeking class-action status over the weekend, shortly after VW was accused of cheating on US emission tests.
A Canadian legal outfit, Sutts, Strosberg LLP of Windsor, Ontario, is seeking $1bn in damages and an additional $100m.
Lawyer Harvey Strosberg told a press conference on Tuesday that any Canadian with a Volkswagen diesel car made before September 2015 can add their name to the suit.
Faced with this phalanx of m’learned friends, Volkswagen has hired the US law firm Kirkland & Ellis LLP.
Kirkland & Ellis led BP’s defence after the Deepwater Horizon disaster in the Gulf of Mexico. Volkswagen’s emissions scandal is arguably the biggest corporate crisis since BP.
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Mine's a petrol. I'd never have another diesel car. They are noisy, smelly and pollute like f*ck.
Great torque and mileage though. But agree they're noisier and smellier.
I also like the smell of petrol fumes (weird I know) but diesel fumes smell horrible.
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I have a feeling that the VAG group are not the only manufacturer that is going to be 'caught with its pants down' over this issue
Time will tell ...
My opinion ? Couldn't careless if I'm being honest. All manufacturers massage their figures anyway eg manufacturer quoted MPG figures
Always said diesel was the devils fuel
Time will tell ...
My opinion ? Couldn't careless if I'm being honest. All manufacturers massage their figures anyway eg manufacturer quoted MPG figures
Always said diesel was the devils fuel
