What's with certain members always talking about changing to Porsche Caymans/Macans from S3's? They are completely different cars, with a much higher price tag for the specs, and have service rates of £300-400 an hour. Genuinely interested in the logic here...
Back in a S3.........
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Forward thinking and aspirational desire.....or should I just be happy with an S3 and look no further....as I said Is a long way off as only had my S3 a few weeks, just expressing some early views, might decide I want a base/standard 1.6 eco boost fiesta in a few months time! Is that wrong as well.
Putting aside for a moment the thought that cars are white goods, it's the driving experience and sensation offered.
Something the S3 doesn't offer, in the sense that the S3 doesn't reward good driver inputs.
It's like the difference between eating pre-packed supermarket sushi, and having sushi whilst sat at a sushi bar (and I don't mean conveyor sushi) - it's *that* level of difference.
If you haven't already, have a browse through this:
http://www.audi-sport.net/xf/threads/bye-bye-s3-and-i-guess-audi-sport.250774/
Something the S3 doesn't offer, in the sense that the S3 doesn't reward good driver inputs.
It's like the difference between eating pre-packed supermarket sushi, and having sushi whilst sat at a sushi bar (and I don't mean conveyor sushi) - it's *that* level of difference.
If you haven't already, have a browse through this:
http://www.audi-sport.net/xf/threads/bye-bye-s3-and-i-guess-audi-sport.250774/
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Don't start me on Sushi!!! But there is good analogy here, I have eaten Sushi in possibly the most expensive restaurant in Tokyo but the experience was pretty much lost on me, especially when I saw the bill. But I am sure other people have had the most amazing experience in the same restaurant and others over their first experience of Tesco Sushi!!!
Different things are special and important in different ways to different people so what is relevant and important you might not be the same for someone else no matter how much you try to convince them.
Lol I knew the sushi analogy would elicit a response 
It's the perfect analogy, for some the restaurant experience washes over them, and for others, the supermarket version (spit) is what they know and love!
It's the perfect analogy, for some the restaurant experience washes over them, and for others, the supermarket version (spit) is what they know and love!
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Lol I knew the sushi analogy would elicit a response
It's the perfect analogy, for some the restaurant experience washes over them, and for others, the supermarket version (spit) is what they know and love!
Or a hot pizza fresh from the oven of a great Italian restaurant!
Compared to a frozen store bought one.
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For me the S3 is a very good compromise
I limit myself with an S3 just as I would do with how much I'd be willing to pay for sushi or how far I'd be willing to go to have some.
I'm lucky my local fishmonger sells amazing sushi made on the premises along with miso soup, they have a couple of tables outside where you can eat it. Its excellent and if theres any left at closing which is rare, its half price !
I limit myself with an S3 just as I would do with how much I'd be willing to pay for sushi or how far I'd be willing to go to have some.
I'm lucky my local fishmonger sells amazing sushi made on the premises along with miso soup, they have a couple of tables outside where you can eat it. Its excellent and if theres any left at closing which is rare, its half price !
Woah, you seem rather defensive there.. I was merely asking why so many members here seem to compare against Porsche's, as they're nothing like the A3/S3/RS3... Seems to be a trend building on them. Nothing personal against you...
Nothing taken personally but maybe you starting a post with "what's with certain members" is a little aggressive and your overall post implied I can't compare an S3 to a Macan and if you read my post you would see I was comparing the two but thinking forward. That said I gave you a truthful if somewhat sarcastic response which seems to have gone over your head
Not sure what is supposed to have 'gone over my head'. Certainly seems to have been taken personally else you wouldn't have ended your reply with 'Is that wrong as well.'
In my opinion, an S3 cannot be compared to a Macan. They are two different cars built for different purposes. Perhaps that has gone over your head.
Think there needs to be some diffusion from what you have perceived as 'aggressive' with a perfectly reasonable questioned original post.
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Jeepers creepers, better go back to talking about food seeing as one or two g-strings are still getting twisted talking cars lol
.....sushi, not for me.........italian restaurant pizza, well who wouldn't?!!
........or how about Eggs Benedict? Had a fantastic one for brunch today at a gorgeous cafe that sources produce from local farms.........my god fathers it tasted good!!
lol.....sushi, not for me.........italian restaurant pizza, well who wouldn't?!!
........or how about Eggs Benedict? Had a fantastic one for brunch today at a gorgeous cafe that sources produce from local farms.........my god fathers it tasted good!!
Jeez.....read my original post again and you will see I was never comparing the two, you took it on yourself to comment about certain members possibly wanting a Porsche and that you can't compare them which I never disagreed with.
You say you are "genuinly" interested in my logic and I provided you with my logic, to which you have not replied or added your view to?
I have not taken anything personally but if you think there is anything personal let's discuss in PM and not bore the socks off the rest of the forum.
These are your own words
Now you say you were never comparing the two? You seem to be contradicting yourself. Which is it, make your mind up? As for logic, I still am yet to see the logic, else you would have my reply.
For godsake I missed one word "not" from a post and you read the whole thread out of context or maybe you did not read the whole thread just the bits you wanted to as by your own admission in another post of yours you don't read all posts in a thread... that's why I repeated my own words
And in big letters in case you miss it again my logic is
I MIGHT LIKE A MACAN IN THE FUTRE AS ITS A BIT BIGGER WITH SLIGHTLY LESS POWER THAN AN S3 AND HIGHER QUALITY.
And I repeat I am not trying to make a like for like comparison just saying what I might like from my next car
Btw you certainly did not read the request to PM me and not bore the rest of the forum , or did you not read that as well.
Your reply just about sums up why this is not a fun place to be any more.
And in big letters in case you miss it again my logic is
I MIGHT LIKE A MACAN IN THE FUTRE AS ITS A BIT BIGGER WITH SLIGHTLY LESS POWER THAN AN S3 AND HIGHER QUALITY.
And I repeat I am not trying to make a like for like comparison just saying what I might like from my next car
Btw you certainly did not read the request to PM me and not bore the rest of the forum , or did you not read that as well.
Your reply just about sums up why this is not a fun place to be any more.
You seriously need to chill out, you sound like you have anger issues. I asked a simple question, to which you've blown completely out of proportion. If you don't enjoy the forum anymore, why are you on it?
I don't need to PM you about anything, as I don't think it's anything personal. I think we'll leave it there, before this topic aggravates you any further.
I don't need to PM you about anything, as I don't think it's anything personal. I think we'll leave it there, before this topic aggravates you any further.
mods please lock/delete this thread as I don't think it adds any value despite trying to get it at least back on the subject of cars.
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Mods, just delete the nonsense rather than the whole thread please.
This is my thread and I like it!
This is my thread and I like it!
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Good to see some people still have fire in their bellies !
PS Tandoori Lamb Chops with a sprinkling of chopped corriander (mmm....no wonder I get gout )
PS Tandoori Lamb Chops with a sprinkling of chopped corriander (mmm....no wonder I get gout )
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Taking it back to the topic of going from an S3 to a Macan, it was also a topic that interested me, because they are a different type of vehicle.
If you were after some bigger and more upmarket there a plenty of of sedans/station wagons that you could chose from... M5 anyone.
Recently for work I was given a Holden Captiva SUV to use for a 5 hr round trip in the country, the Captiva is Q5 size, with a 2 litre petrol engine.
While passive safety may have have been okay, it dynamic safety was not good. Handling and brakes meant anything more than the speed limit was pushing it and overtaking trucks on anything but country roads with overtaking lanes was dangerous. Obviously a Macan would perform & handle better.
Sitting up high in the SUV, I could understand its appeal to people, but as someone who enjoys driving, I'd prefer a sedan instead ( actually a Cayman, but I need a 5 seater ! and the M3 sedan is too $$$$)
If you were after some bigger and more upmarket there a plenty of of sedans/station wagons that you could chose from... M5 anyone.
Recently for work I was given a Holden Captiva SUV to use for a 5 hr round trip in the country, the Captiva is Q5 size, with a 2 litre petrol engine.
While passive safety may have have been okay, it dynamic safety was not good. Handling and brakes meant anything more than the speed limit was pushing it and overtaking trucks on anything but country roads with overtaking lanes was dangerous. Obviously a Macan would perform & handle better.
Sitting up high in the SUV, I could understand its appeal to people, but as someone who enjoys driving, I'd prefer a sedan instead ( actually a Cayman, but I need a 5 seater ! and the M3 sedan is too $$$$)
@mfl I drove a Captiva recently, they are badged Chrevolet Captiva's (or Vauxhall Antara) in Europe.
It was horrid. The drivers seat had strange lumps sticking into my back at various points, the throttle response was peculiar, the turbo response was severely non-linear, and as you say, dynamically, it was exceedingly poor. A Ford Transit van handles better than the Captiva. When I handed it back after 2 days, the dash was lit up with so many fault lights, I think I blew the turbo on that car. The only redeeming feature was the steering feel.
It's just plain rude to mention the Macan (which is, a superb drive dynamically) in the same sentence
PS O-Toro Sashimi mmmmmmm
It was horrid. The drivers seat had strange lumps sticking into my back at various points, the throttle response was peculiar, the turbo response was severely non-linear, and as you say, dynamically, it was exceedingly poor. A Ford Transit van handles better than the Captiva. When I handed it back after 2 days, the dash was lit up with so many fault lights, I think I blew the turbo on that car. The only redeeming feature was the steering feel.
It's just plain rude to mention the Macan (which is, a superb drive dynamically) in the same sentence
PS O-Toro Sashimi mmmmmmm
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It's my thread that @veeeight linked to. I know that a Boxster S is a totally different car to an S3, but if you compare new/used, you can in the £35K price bracket be sitting in either one with a similar monthly PCP, similar deposit etc.
I wanted a relatively quick car, that sounded good, handled well, had space for a weekend away with luggage for me and Mrs. J, could handle B-road blasts, could be quiet and reasonably economical on a motorway cruise, and one that made me smile when I saw it sat on a driveway and would entice me into taking it out for a drive when I had the time. That could apply to an S3 or a Boxster/Cayman.
Where I felt the S3 lacked in that list, was noise, handling and it being interesting enough to make me want to drive it when I had time.
I considered Boxsters, Caymans, 997 911, S4/5, RS4/5, M3's when I wanted to trade the S3 but in the end the lure of open top motoring, and that wonderful howling flat 6 led me to the Boxster. Character goes a long way in owning a car, the S3 lacks it IMHO.
I can understand S3 owners looking at a Macan, both are practical quick 4WD cars where you need space for the family but also want a sporty drive.
I am sure @CraigI, reading the threads he has posted, has gone into his ownership of his second S3 with his eyes wide open. If you think of the S3 as a normal hatch/saloon with a powerful engine, with a nod to a slightly more sporty drive, while still being practical and reasonably economical then you can't go far wrong. It is not however a fantastic handling, epic sounding, sportscar.
I saw a new Spangle Blue S3 saloon parked across the road on Saturday, and my first thought was what a lovely looking car. I had a wander over and had a peek through the window and reminded myself what a nice minimalist interior it has. As an object it really is a nice thing. I had no reservations about selling mine though, when I remembered what it was like to drive.
I do think going manual with the mag ride, and very few options might be the way to go if you want one ..
I dabbled this time with the Merc GLA but I found it had excessive body roll at anything over 50 mph before defaulting back to A3/S3 . Based on a you tube video I watched recently even the Macan (dare I use that word) jumped around on track corners. I suppose as soon you start sitting higher up you will always get some level of handling issues relative to a lower HB/Saloon. But I dont particularly like the look of the Q5 either.
Looks like I might have a lot of research to before I change cars again, but for now I will just try to enjoy the S3 but that dos not stop me thinking ahead ....now where is that nearest Porsche dealer
I had the even larger Chevrolet Equinox for a 2 week road trip around California and surrounding states last summer and whilst it was as roomy and as comfortable as my living room it handled just as well as a large leather sofa on castors
P.s Cant beat an Egg McMuffin and hash Browns for breakfast after 4 days of a non carb Japanese diet
Looks like I might have a lot of research to before I change cars again, but for now I will just try to enjoy the S3 but that dos not stop me thinking ahead ....now where is that nearest Porsche dealer
I had the even larger Chevrolet Equinox for a 2 week road trip around California and surrounding states last summer and whilst it was as roomy and as comfortable as my living room it handled just as well as a large leather sofa on castors
P.s Cant beat an Egg McMuffin and hash Browns for breakfast after 4 days of a non carb Japanese diet
@Daveotto - you must be referring to the lateral "hopping" on the track, at the limit, in the Fifth Gear review. Results from a high CoG and tenacious grip.
But - to put the 'g' test into perspective - the Macan pulled 1.1g, the same as the 8V RS3 and M135i in TG's recent hot hatch test. The Type-R pulled 1.19g, and the Golf R pulled 1.16g.
PS: I remember now, we did have another Macan thread in this forum not so long ago!
http://www.audi-sport.net/xf/threads/test-drive.236040/#post-2432486
PPS: Good Eggs Benedict for breakfast, but the Hollandaise must be velvety, and only have a hint of sourness.
But - to put the 'g' test into perspective - the Macan pulled 1.1g, the same as the 8V RS3 and M135i in TG's recent hot hatch test. The Type-R pulled 1.19g, and the Golf R pulled 1.16g.
PS: I remember now, we did have another Macan thread in this forum not so long ago!
http://www.audi-sport.net/xf/threads/test-drive.236040/#post-2432486
PPS: Good Eggs Benedict for breakfast, but the Hollandaise must be velvety, and only have a hint of sourness.
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@mfl I drove a Captiva recently, they are badged Chrevolet Captiva's (or Vauxhall Antara) in Europe.
It was horrid. The drivers seat had strange lumps sticking into my back at various points, the throttle response was peculiar, the turbo response was severely non-linear, and as you say, dynamically, it was exceedingly poor. A Ford Transit van handles better than the Captiva. When I handed it back after 2 days, the dash was lit up with so many fault lights, I think I blew the turbo on that car. The only redeeming feature was the steering feel.
It's just plain rude to mention the Macan (which is, a superb drive dynamically) in the same sentence
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the one I drove had a leather interior, satnav etc etc, but it didn't make the interior feel classy at all.
Our model had the 125kw 2.4 litre, 4-cylinder DOHC petrol engine.
I thought it a fairly safe claim to make that the Captiva was a s**tbox ( in colloquial terms) and that the Macan would be significantly better , in every aspect....
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I hope the steering wheel wasn't velvet!@mfl I drove a Captiva recently, they are badged Chrevolet Captiva's (or Vauxhall Antara) in Europe.
It was horrid. The drivers seat had strange lumps sticking into my back at various points, the throttle response was peculiar, the turbo response was severely non-linear, and as you say, dynamically, it was exceedingly poor. A Ford Transit van handles better than the Captiva. When I handed it back after 2 days, the dash was lit up with so many fault lights, I think I blew the turbo on that car. The only redeeming feature was the steering feel.
It's just plain rude to mention the Macan (which is, a superb drive dynamically) in the same sentence
PS O-Toro Sashimi mmmmmmm
Yeah, it's all going well so far.
I'm definitely going to connect more with it being a manual.
Magnetic in dynamic is very stiff, my daughters seat rattles a lot, which is the gauge I use.
Not really given it too much as yet though, so no comment on whether that improves the handling.
Fits well into my garage, looks great, I love the colour.
Initially I'm missing some of the creature comforts but will get used to not having them.
Seating position is woefully inadequate for this type of car.....
All in all, as expected I think!
Already increased the amount going into our savings account and our daughters account, so that's the biggest part of this deal, so on that front a success.
Getting it detailed next week, so will get some photo's up then.
I'm definitely going to connect more with it being a manual.
Magnetic in dynamic is very stiff, my daughters seat rattles a lot, which is the gauge I use.
Not really given it too much as yet though, so no comment on whether that improves the handling.
Fits well into my garage, looks great, I love the colour.
Initially I'm missing some of the creature comforts but will get used to not having them.
Seating position is woefully inadequate for this type of car.....
All in all, as expected I think!
Already increased the amount going into our savings account and our daughters account, so that's the biggest part of this deal, so on that front a success.
Getting it detailed next week, so will get some photo's up then.
Nice one - so good so far then.
Yeah the 5's are wider than you think for garaging aren't they - I find that.
Look forward to pics.
Yeah the 5's are wider than you think for garaging aren't they - I find that.
Look forward to pics.
@CraigI agree with you 100% , was a little concerned that I might have made a slightly wrong choice going manual, but so pleased I did even on those journeys that barely get out of 2nd.
S-tronic/DSG is great in hire cars when on business trips especially when I am on the phone a lot and dont know the roads but for everyday driving manual every-time for me.
Dont think I miss the extra 0.3 sec to 62 mph either as the manual is plenty quick enough already when needed. Even acceleration in 6th gear in comfort mode is pretty decent
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Not going to turn this into another manual v s-tronic but I will say there have been one or two occasions when I've been swiftly approaching a roundabout/junction where I've missed the manual gears to help the brakes do their job (even had the left hand hovering over an invisible gearshift!!) but overall I'll never part with the s-tronic
Besides it leaves your left hand free to juggle through the media loading up the next track
Come on down to West Sussex anytime Dave, I'll show you what that missing 0.3secs looks like
