APR Stage 2 & DSG Remap

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Well I finally got both of these done, I want to give a full review but i cant really as i was stuck in traffic for 2.5 hours all the way back home!.

DSG Remap:

Holds onto 1st for much longer which really helps in town
Quicker response from a dead stop
Faster gear changes

Stage 2:

More torque lower down the rev range
Feels like its stronger in the midrange

Thats all i can say for now, will give the car a proper thrashing tomorrow outside of London and will revert back :)
 
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Looking forward to your full review.
 
Did you get this done at volks autos?
 
Sorry should have explained I've been chatting to Chris about getting stage 2 and the dsg remap-he mentioned someone was coming in for that today and when I saw your post I put two and two together.

Would love to hear a bit more about your experience, particularly the effect of the dsg tune on driveability in traffic. Also are shifts really noticeably faster? (I think they are lightning quick already)
 
aro03 said:
Sorry should have explained I've been chatting to Chris about getting stage 2 and the dsg remap-he mentioned someone was coming in for that today and when I saw your post I put two and two together.

Would love to hear a bit more about your experience, particularly the effect of the dsg tune on driveability in traffic. Also are shifts really noticeably faster? (I think they are lightning quick already)
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In day to day driving you only really notice it holding the gears longer which makes the car much quicker to respond.... really is a welcome addition!
If you dont like it holding onto 1st and 2nd you can switch to ECO mode and it will revert back to the original setting of changing gear early.

I put my foot down from a dead stop twice and it scared the living crap out of me both times, it is monstrously fast... no ludicrously fast with seamless changes.

Set me launch control to 4500rpm as i dont want to fry the clutches, i played around with it without launching and i must say it sounds evil when activated, you can hear the turbo spinning up and the exhaust keeps making those fart noises like a anti-lag system on a rally car :busted cop:
 
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Dan, exciting day for you! The DSG tune would really liven up the D mode!

I'm looking forward to your next timings! I'd guess maybe 3.2 0-60 possible!

Motor magazine in Australia ran yearly tuner challenge with full results out next month but heard stage 2 MK7 R won. Has dsg tune, test intercooler upgrade, suspension and running on test E85!

So will know the full potential of engine with full bolt ons and race fuel
 
Hmm mixed feelings about this Stage 2 remap.

I have driven it about 40 miles more today to get it to adapt and i cant help but notice than when the gearbox down changes a gear at WOT it tapers off the torque delivery after the down change and feels.... too smooth and not nearly as aggressive as it used to (on beta stage 1), if anything its slower!.
However from a dead stop the car is faster and builds power quicker and more intensely than before, i think its a glitch or its programmed in to stop the turbos suffering from compressor surge.

Also the DSG map is great but at low speeds if you plant your foot it still wont down change to 1st willingly from 2nd, so nothing...nothing... then boost builds up which is annoying, i thought they programmed the DSG to stop doing that?

Anyway those are my moans so far.
If you are at Stage 1, i would recommend sticking with that and just getting the DSG flash as the gains on stage 2 are minimal.
 
pretty sure its an bcs with cat down pipe
 
Dan, thanks for review. I would guess they have slightly limited turbo spool to protect against turbo surge.

It's as I expected and even few APR tuners have told me min gains stage 1 to stage 2! I heard that 500nm max torque at wheels on stock hardware whether updated software and stage 1 with intake pretty much there.
 
Stage 1 has such a Big jump that the stage 2 seems a tad frail in comparison. But trust me you have a complete weapon on your hands, it's a real eye opener when you can put it up against most things on the road
The rs3 is being called s hyper hot hatch I think you have s hyper s3.
As for the dsg the feelings you have are the same as I had on my mk6 golf r , it's s dam good set up but not quite perfect
 
Dandanfings said:
Hmm mixed feelings about this Stage 2 remap.

I have driven it about 40 miles more today to get it to adapt and i cant help but notice than when the gearbox down changes a gear at WOT it tapers off the torque delivery after the down change and feels.... too smooth and not nearly as aggressive as it used to (on beta stage 1), if anything its slower!.
However from a dead stop the car is faster and builds power quicker and more intensely than before, i think its a glitch or its programmed in to stop the turbos suffering from compressor surge.

Also the DSG map is great but at low speeds if you plant your foot it still wont down change to 1st willingly from 2nd, so nothing...nothing... then boost builds up which is annoying, i thought they programmed the DSG to stop doing that?

Anyway those are my moans so far.
If you are at Stage 1, i would recommend sticking with that and just getting the DSG flash as the gains on stage 2 are minimal.
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I'm currently on Stage 1 with no other mods and I think the DSG tune was definitely made with Stage 1 in mind unless there's a different file for Stage 2.

Would you say it's better to stick with Stage 1 and install and intake and downpipe? I was thinking I'd do both and upgrade to Stage 2 at the same time so that it's not such a minimal jump.
 
Nightmare1708 said:
I'm currently on Stage 1 with no other mods and I think the DSG tune was definitely made with Stage 1 in mind unless there's a different file for Stage 2.

Would you say it's better to stick with Stage 1 and install and intake and downpipe? I was thinking I'd do both and upgrade to Stage 2 at the same time so that it's not such a minimal jump.
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I would say stage 1 and dsg map...

The intake adds only 5-7bhp and it's all at the top end with no benefits anywhere else... For £400+ (depending on brand) it's not a worthwhile upgrade.

The downpipe is £700, can get a decat (which I do not recommend for other issues I will go into later) for £350.... It doesn't add any power just increases response and a little more boost down low.

All depends what you are willing to pay, if you fortunate and can afford to waste money then go for the whole lot.

If it's about bang per buck get the apr stage 1 and dsg map at the same time.
 
What's wrong with decat ? Myn ran mint no issues standard exhaust sounded loads better , personally I can't see any down sides other than a quick swop at mot time ?
Will be interesting to listen to your views on this .
 
paulk said:
What's wrong with decat ? Myn ran mint no issues standard exhaust sounded loads better , personally I can't see any down sides other than a quick swop at mot time ?
Will be interesting to listen to your views on this .
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I have just heard that they don't help with the turbo reliability situation, maybe they were weak in the first place.

Also just done a bunch of launches and i am not too happy...

Since last time i have upgraded the following:

Lighter wheels
Stickier Michelin super sport rubber
Stage 2 remap
DSG remap

And my 0-60mph times are almost identical to stage 1 without the above, i have managed a 3.09 which is a marginal improvement at best.
 
Dan, I'm surprised that not more gain from the DSG tune. I wouldn;t have expected any real difference from stage 2 over your stage 1 with DP as the DP where the gains are. They may have even slightly reduced your torque as limited torque in USA tune for stock DSG software.

Your torque and spool may be slightly less as tuned to protect turbo from surge and DSG where as before you would have gained more from the improved DP and flow. I believe soon they will release tune with higher torque to take full advantage of hardware for those with DSG software. I'm told that 500nm at wheels is the max for hardware to handle safely.
 
how did you test the 0 -60 time Dan ? i will be very honest when i say don't think your car ran a time of 0-60 in 3.09 Once you start recording it on a V-Box let us know....
 
The better the turbo can flow the gas then the better it will be

I don't feel my revo stage 2 is any faster 0 to 60 but it's stronger in all the other areas. I think you heed the exhaust to get the most out stage 2 as my car feels loads better with the full system now . I also think a intercooler is a must
 
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how did you test the 0 -60 time Dan ? i will be very honest when i say don't think your car ran a time of 0-60 in 3.09 Once you start recording it on a V-Box let us know....
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timed runs on the speedo.
I'm not using GPS, i am just comparing to my last times which i did with the speedo.

Yeah the car does feel stronger at higher speeds, my money would be on them building in a restriction with the stock turbo.
I was hoping Stage 2 and the DSG tune would unlock all the torque, as for 500nm thats a shame as other tuners have hit 550nm!
 
Dan, I'm pretty sure at this stage if same as USA they deliberately released stage 2 torque to be under 400lbs 540nm as that's the maximum on stock software. I know that once thier DSG software released they will look at doing tune with higher torque maybe 570-580nm. I'm not sure how much is lost to wheels though but the 500nm is at wheels that is maximum for hardware I was told.

I've seen as high as 550-560nm on stage 1 tunes alone so defintiely possible to get say 580nm stage 2.
 
aussieR said:
Dan, I'm pretty sure at this stage if same as USA they deliberately released stage 2 torque to be under 400lbs 540nm as that's the maximum on stock software. I know that once thier DSG software released they will look at doing tune with higher torque maybe 570-580nm. I'm not sure how much is lost to wheels though but the 500nm is at wheels that is maximum for hardware I was told.

I've seen as high as 550-560nm on stage 1 tunes alone so defintiely possible to get say 580nm stage 2.
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Thats good to hear, fingers crossed they will update.
I'm on version 1.1 for the DSG remap and 1.0 for Stage 2.
 
Dan, they definitely will. Then there is the E85 tune that they are going to release too. I just read Hot tuner challenge results here and the Mk7R stage 2 on E85 made 50wkw more on same dyno same day as a stage 1.5 tuned Mercedes A45 AMG.
 
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Revo only claim a max of 380 lbft about 512 nm which doesn't feel that much in the car , seems a nice balance , more apr golf r also had a nice balance of bhp to nm too much can spoil the drive
 
Paul does that mean that torque loss is very minimal? If 512nm at engine their dyno on Revo says wheel result at 500nm. Does that mean that torque loss from engine to wheels is very minimal?

If so then APR probably has pretty much maxed out torque at Stage 1 levels so guessing that stage 2 at say 535nm prob at the 500nm at wheel mark?
 
It's probably right , i never felt like my golf r had loads of tourqe compared to my edition 30 must be how the Hadlex delivers the power
 
I thought your car was mat blue as your wheel thread ?
the wheels look much better on that video
 
Quick. Quite surprised to see the front wheel spin there. I would have thought haldex would have reigned that in a bit better.
 
Wait for it .......

"It's not proper quattro" :p

The latest Haldex, Gen5, uses a variable speed pump to get pressure built.

The previous generation, Gen4, actually had an accumulator, giving pre stored pre primed pressure, but they dispensed with this on Gen5, saying instead that the variable speed pump would be able to provide "instant traction".

There's a whole load of Swedes on the Volvo forums complaining about Gen5 and the lack of instant traction.
 
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Yeah, read that before. I'll have to video a launch myself as I left 4 darkies on the road the last time I tried it although the road probably wasn't as hot as the video above looks.
 
Dandanfings said:
I would say stage 1 and dsg map...

The intake adds only 5-7bhp and it's all at the top end with no benefits anywhere else... For £400+ (depending on brand) it's not a worthwhile upgrade.

The downpipe is £700, can get a decat (which I do not recommend for other issues I will go into later) for £350.... It doesn't add any power just increases response and a little more boost down low.

All depends what you are willing to pay, if you fortunate and can afford to waste money then go for the whole lot.

If it's about bang per buck get the apr stage 1 and dsg map at the same time.
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I remember in one of your videos you mentioned that the standard downpipe was a really odd design and you were surprised that an engineer would have passed it. Do you think that perhaps this design is intentional and is in some way integral to the reliability of the turbo?
 
DolbyS3 said:
I remember in one of your videos you mentioned that the standard downpipe was a really odd design and you were surprised that an engineer would have passed it. Do you think that perhaps this design is intentional and is in some way integral to the reliability of the turbo?
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No it's either emissions, sound or a deliberate restriction.

As for my launch... Inside the car it doesn't feel like it's slipping that much, but yes it's certainly effecting the 0-60 time.
That's a nice hot set of Michelin super sports by the way.

Car used to be blue now back to factory white.
 
looks better white
My manual doesn't ever feel like its spinning
 
veeeight said:
Wait for it .......

"It's not proper quattro" :p

The latest Haldex, Gen5, uses a variable speed pump to get pressure built.

The previous generation, Gen4, actually had an accumulator, giving pre stored pre primed pressure, but they dispensed with this on Gen5, saying instead that the variable speed pump would be able to provide "instant traction".

There's a whole load of Swedes on the Volvo forums complaining about Gen5 and the lack of instant traction.
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Thanks for sharing that. Learn something new every day. What generation would be in my 2009 s3?
 
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