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I am due to replace my car at the end of the year, I was going for another A3, but beginning to have second thoughts
The number of petrol models are becoming limited, only one 180 and one 300 hp models.
The spec is lower than competition , and prices high.
Have a look at the Jag XE to see what I mean.
It is a shame as I really like my A3.
My ideal would be GTI engine around 220 hp , Quattro with "sheeps clothing" styling.. Not the current boy racer style. Perhaps I am becoming an old fart , but I do not want to be forced into a diesel again.

Not sure what Audi are doing we don't all want a S3 ( well part of me does want the power, but also want comfort and not a turbo that rattles!).
 
Not a question an observation, if you want a 1.8 it can only be a s line.
If you want a 180 diesel then you have a choice. Seems they really want us to buy diesels...
I would like the 1.8 ,but why pay fir a sline , I might as well get a S3.
Come on Audi as the jag is going steal your customers ... Lowest power is 200 better equipped and cheaper ...
 
Very comfortable S3 and no turbo rattle here!
 
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Part of the problem would seem to be the popularity of diesel models in Audi's home country and the rest of main-land Europe. This is hardly surprising when you can get better mpg and diesel cost around 20p litre less than petrol. Also in Germany there is encouragement to update to a newer diesel by only allowing cars that me the top Umwelt' rating to go into city and large town centres. In the UK we always seem to be doing the opposite to most of the rest of Europe and then wonder why our choice is limited. Speaking to my dealer a few days ago he said he could count the number of non-sline 1.8 petrol A3s he had sold on one hand.

If you want a good A3 with plenty of power and low down grunt why not try the 2.0TDI 184 diesel which is available as a manual or an s-tronic quattro and either Sport of S-Line trim. This is what I current drive and it's by far the best A3 of the nine that I have owned. Personally I have no wish to own an S3 and this is the best 'normal' A3 available. I also makes my holidays in Europe cheaper!!
 
Just give it a good fast run every once in a while and it will be fine.

I do quite a lot of short journeys (up to say 10 miles) and quite a number of longer ones as well and I have never ever been aware that my car has been fitted with a DPF. It was the same with my two previous diesel A3s, a 140 and a 170. I was never aware of the DPF on either of those. Certainly not a reason to not purchase a diesel if there is a model in the power range you are looking for.

If you do ALL short journeys perhaps you should consider an A3 e-tron!
 
Etron nooooo

Suspect I will end up with a S3 , but not until they up the spec or discount accordingly. A car of that level should have sat nav and decent stereo as standard.... It's not as if they leave it off to bring the price down...
 
musicegbdf said:
Etron nooooo

Suspect I will end up with a S3 , but not until they up the spec or discount accordingly. A car of that level should have sat nav and decent stereo as standard.... It's not as if they leave it off to bring the price down...
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I think you may well have a long wait! Audi UK have always worked on the basis of a reasonable equipped car but with lots of extras than can be added if you want them. Why should everyone pay for items that they may not want.
 
As I've said on other threads, I share some of the frustrations of the OP. I couldn't even order my current car (1.8T manual) again now. I'm also hoping the Golf GTI engine will appear in the A3, but am not that confident. That said, there does seem to be some backlash against diesel cars at the moment as the environmental "benefits" that were cited a few years back seem to have been entirely based on CO2 and ignored other pollutants where diesels are actually worse than petrols.
 
Kind of feel the same about this. I am a v.low mileage driver (4-5k per year) and diesel makes no sense for me. Would have loved the 2.0TFSI from the Golf GTI in my A3 if it was available. Did think about an S3 but the price difference was quite sizeable and it is a different sort of car.
 
I only do 5/6k a year and have the 1.6 TDi sport. No DPF issues in my last 4 diesel cars. I do floor it in sport mode every chance I get but I'm still averaging over 51 mpg over nearly 3k miles. For the 14 mile round trip to work that I use my car for its more than enough power for me. I was very surprised how versatile the 1.6 TDi is. Linked to S-Tronic in Sport Mode it flies off the line and gives some bigger more powerful cars a bit of a fright. Do I wish I had more power, I do miss my 210 TSI Scirocco DSG, but I don't miss its poor mpg, especially over short journeys I do.
It is surprising that VW/Audi don't bring the Golf GTI engine across but then would that mean less Golfs being sold???
Anyway, I'm more than happy with my baby diesel and my S-Tronic box!!
 
Glad to see I am not the only one that feels frustrated at the lack of choice in petrol.
Well had a good look at the jag today.
One hell of a car. Base petrol is 200 bhp, high spec incl sat nav, cruise control , 8 speed tronic gearbox, ,etc, on the road 27 k.
Next model up is 1k more and brings leather heated electrics seats and more.
Options include heated windscreen.
There is also a 240 bjp, and 340 bhp petrol plus two diesels.
Very tempted, feel and fit seemed top end. Have requested test drive.
Of course there will be no discounts , but like the choices and Jag have a good reliability record.
Only doubts are can I live with a boot and without Quattro...
If there was an A3 with the 231 Bhp engine for a sensible price....
Problem with the S3 is that there is now the RS... or? Will that mean better discounts on them. Bmw now have sat nav as standard , Audi have to spec up the S3 as it is looking stingy now for the price
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Actually, to everyone saying about having a diesel on short journeys, as long as you floor it once in a while and give it a good run it should be fine - actually, I'll tell you something my dad said to me recently.

He's been looking at a Skoda Yeti and came across all faults recorded, from the 1.2 TSI to the DSG box failures and especially the DPF's which even with high mileage long distance drivers still ****** around, he said that people have to take them off and power wash them out. Also something about some engines have a fuel line into the DPF and after so long it will set it alight to burn all the crap out, and apparently the exhaust can get very hot. Or the DPF can be near the engine but I forgot what he was trying to make a point of, it's to do with different engines and different set ups having their downfalls. Basically though, it's mainly that these DPF's are just a tonne of crap and cause nothing but crap. Thats why I never had a TDI A3 and instead got the 1.4 COD, I never do any miles like that and if I do, it's once or twice a year for going on Holiday.


I'd personally not want a diesel since I use my car more for pleasure and not commuting.. i'd knacker it up on the drives I do, plus the DPF problems put me straight off.
 
What DPF problems? I've had four diesel A3s fitted with a DPF over the last 8 years and not had a single problem with any of them. In fact without looking at the spec I would have never known they were fitted. Perhaps the smooth but quick way I drive suits the DPF.

I had many petrol engined cars in the past but changed to a diesel when I purchased my first 8P A3 as at the time Audi only offered a non-turbo 2.0 petrol which had very little 'go' at all. So I had I test drive in the 2.0TDI-140 and it was very close in performance to the 1.8T 8L A3s that I had up to then and have never looked back. The 150 TDIs I tried did not have the performance to match my previous 170 TDI and so I went for a 184 TDI and as I definitely wanted an s-tronic it had to be a quattro.
 
Diesels with DPFs have built in sensors that will automatically do a regen of the DPF to burn all the door out of it. The only way you'd notice is if you had the instant fuel consumption on. It goes up around 0.3/0.4 mpg whilst doing the regen. As has been said I've never had any issues at all with DPFs.
 
h5djr said:
What DPF problems? I've had four diesel A3s fitted with a DPF over the last 8 years and not had a single problem with any of them. In fact without looking at the spec I would have never known they were fitted. Perhaps the smooth but quick way I drive suits the DPF.

I had many petrol engined cars in the past but changed to a diesel when I purchased my first 8P A3 as at the time Audi only offered a non-turbo 2.0 petrol which had very little 'go' at all. So I had I test drive in the 2.0TDI-140 and it was very close in performance to the 1.8T 8L A3s that I had up to then and have never looked back. The 150 TDIs I tried did not have the performance to match my previous 170 TDI and so I went for a 184 TDI and as I definitely wanted an s-tronic it had to be a quattro.
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I wasn't knocking it, just to be clear. It's just your luck but i've heard problems with DPF even if you are spirited/long distance runner. You've never had a problem and I'm glad, hope you never do but you might buy another A3 or any other diesel car and might have nothing but trouble with the DPF.


I will make an example, although not 100% accurate to the situation but we have diesel (what van isn't these days actually) Sprinter vans at work, we clock about 130k in a year and just recently I pulled the van back up after the 370 mile trip (these vans do that every day + every night, clocking about 800 miles every 24 hours easy) and the 'engine' light came on which just means anything, according to the manual it was the DPF is full and needs immidiate attention at the garage... obviously it went to the garage and was just turned off as there is nothing wrong, and shouldn't be since they are high mileage long distance runners + the drivers don't exactly drive like a saint either so they are pretty spanked to say the least, it should've been the last thing that came on... It was probably just a sensor or some silly thing, sometimes those engine lights come on for no reason. Who knows..?


Anyway, I was only making conversation, not knocking! I asked my dad for the website he found the complaints about the Yeti but he forgot, plus I won't bother trying to find it since he's useless with computers :p - Just for saying, it was the 1.6 TDI I believe which i'm guessing is in pretty much all the range of cars? I've not heard anything about 1.6 TDI in the audi's so maybe it's something Skoda have done by tweaking something and messing it up a little. Who knows...
 
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Scottyg said:
Diesels with DPFs have built in sensors that will automatically do a regen of the DPF to burn all the door out of it. The only way you'd notice is if you had the instant fuel consumption on. It goes up around 0.3/0.4 mpg whilst doing the regen. As has been said I've never had any issues at all with DPFs.
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Thats right, from what i've heard.. - did I read something about either the A3 or A4 sometimes you could notice it doing this as the engine would either get 'rougher' or you could feel it humming/vibrating (vibrating is a little harsh of a word for it but I cannot think of another word to describe it)

Apparently it's normal, which i'd guess is just down to different cars have different ways of clearing the DPF out.

Do you know what the A3 does? Does it burn it with injecting some fuel in the DPF or does it blow/blast it out somehow? I'd be interested to know
 
I just had a look at both the ETKA and ELSAWIN programs and I cannot see any mention of a fuel line to the DPF so I assume the A3 do not use 'injecting fuel' system. I think it does 'burn' the residue out but I'm not sure how. Perhaps someone else knows more.

On of the problems with petrol engined cars in my area is that there have been police reports through our neighbourhood watch scheme about cars being jacked up during the night and the catalytic converters being stolen because they contain some fairly precious metals. The first the owner knows about it is when they start the engine and makes a very loud noise! I've never heard of any DPFs being stolen.
 
h5djr said:
I just had a look at both the ETKA and ELSAWIN programs and I cannot see any mention of a fuel line to the DPF so I assume the A3 do not use 'injecting fuel' system. I think it does 'burn' the residue out but I'm not sure how. Perhaps someone else knows more.

On of the problems with petrol engined cars in my area is that there have been police reports through our neighbourhood watch scheme about cars being jacked up during the night and the catalytic converters being stolen because they contain some fairly precious metals. The first the owner knows about it is when they start the engine and makes a very loud noise! I've never heard of any DPFs being stolen.
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Diesels also have cat' converters though don't they? Or are the thieves mainly interested in petrol versions?

Anyway, going back to DPF - Maybe the A3's DPF is near the engine, which might be something to do with how it clears? I don't know either, i'm sure someone will come along with some links or some knowledge of it? *cough* @veeeight *cough* :p
 
You may be thinking of the AdBlue system.

Or some makes have a burner in the DPF to aid the increase in temp for the active regen cycle. The A3 doesn't use this system.
 
veeeight said:
You may be thinking of the AdBlue system.

Or some makes have a burner in the DPF to aid the increase in temp for the active regen cycle. The A3 doesn't use this system.
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That must be it! How does the A3 regen the DPF?


Adblue system - now you said that when I read the manual for the engine light in that sprinter van it was either Adblue or DPF - and ours don't use Adblue.... didn't know Sprinters could have Adblue either, unless it's the 5 tonne versions have to use it.
 
All EU6 diesel regulation cars will have adblue. It's the only way to get the emissions down. Adblue has to be kept above a certain level or it won't let the car start. For example you ignore the car telling you the it is low and just keep driving. Yes, some owners will do this. Once it get too low the car simply won't let you drive it! Another money spinner!
 
Scottyg said:
All EU6 diesel regulation cars will have adblue. It's the only way to get the emissions down. Adblue has to be kept above a certain level or it won't let the car start. For example you ignore the car telling you the it is low and just keep driving. Yes, some owners will do this. Once it get too low the car simply won't let you drive it! Another money spinner!
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You're joking? I'm sure the Sprinters don't have it.. 90k on the clock so far all the fleet on 14/64 plates and never heard of them needing Adblue.


I'm meaning the 3.5 tonne sprinters not the 5 tonne or HGV's. My understanding is HGV's need it
 
It next gen Diesel engines to keep up with EU directives. The next fleet will have these engines with adblue as will cars!
 
Scottyg said:
It next gen Diesel engines to keep up with EU directives. The next fleet will have these engines with adblue as will cars!
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Oh god thats bad news. Money spinner indeed.
 
musicegbdf said:
Glad to see I am not the only one that feels frustrated at the lack of choice in petrol.
Well had a good look at the jag today.
One hell of a car. Base petrol is 200 bhp, high spec incl sat nav, cruise control , 8 speed tronic gearbox, ,etc, on the road 27 k.
Next model up is 1k more and brings leather heated electrics seats and more.
Options include heated windscreen.
There is also a 240 bjp, and 340 bhp petrol plus two diesels.
Very tempted, feel and fit seemed top end. Have requested test drive.
Of course there will be no discounts , but like the choices and Jag have a good reliability record.
Only doubts are can I live with a boot and without Quattro...
If there was an A3 with the 231 Bhp engine for a sensible price....
Problem with the S3 is that there is now the RS... or? Will that mean better discounts on them. Bmw now have sat nav as standard , Audi have to spec up the S3 as it is looking stingy now for the price
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I've just been looking at the XE on the Jaguar website. It looks a very nice car and it has 'touch' screen controls which personally I prefer to the Audi MMI system. The 8-speed ZF auto also looks good with the rotary dial and steering wheel paddles. Looking at the prices an XE would probably costs only a little more than my current A3 but it would not be a hatchback or quattro. I think I will also be booking a test drive quite soon. Might soon be a change from an A3!!!
 
h5djr said:
I've just been looking at the XE on the Jaguar website. It looks a very nice car and it has 'touch' screen controls which personally I prefer to the Audi MMI system. The 8-speed ZF auto also looks good with the rotary dial and steering wheel paddles. Looking at the prices an XE would probably costs only a little more than my current A3 but it would not be a hatchback or quattro. I think I will also be booking a test drive quite soon. Might soon be a change from an A3!!!
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I guess we are going slightly off topic here with the Jax XE BUT..... I also do quite like the look of the it too.

Jaguar have had a stand at a car show by my office all last week and I sat in the XE. I must say...it is a nice looking cabin and seems a decent first effort for Jag in the compact exec segment. That said, it is worth noting that the cabin interior quality is unfortunately lacking, (esp switches, centre console and door panels) - at least compared to the A3 8V. However, the biggest problem I think it has is space - there just isn't very much. Front and rear leg-space is v.limited and the boot is very small. As I said, certainly a good first attempt but I think the current Mercedes C-Class, for example, pips it in most areas.
 
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