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Anyone on a pcp deal who's traded there car in after a year?

I remember the salesman mentioning people trading in after a year but I'm wondering how exactly it works.

Anyone done it and can shed some light?
 
the PCP terms and conditions are null and void with regards to mileage, that's about it.

Ergo, if you do plan to trade/sell your car before the PCP date is due, get a PCP with a little as (I think it's 5000) miles pa as possible to reduce your monthy rate

and vice-versa if you do plan to keep the car etc
 
It is possible but you will have to fork out some pennies.
I was talking to the dealer about trading in for the RS3 and he said I would have to pay £3500 for the negative equity.
 
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See I'm looking at moving to an s3, not new, a year old (if it's possible to move to a used car)
Am I right in thinking they would value my car, compare it to the new car. And I'd pay the difference? Assuming you can simply transfer the pcp contract.

Or am I miles out ha
 
It would be a totally new contract. You can't transfer. Most would do you a new deal and let you run a negative equity loan along side to get your business. For PCPs the break even point tends to be around the 20-24 month mark dependant on deposit. For what you are suggesting I'm guessing your monthly payments would go through the roof.
 
My car came out of negative equity at about 20 months, and by 24 months I had around £1k in positive equity which I put towards deposit for a new PCP deal. But as said above, they don't transfer it, you simply pay off one deal and start another.

Worth noting that PCP interest rates on second hand cars are much higher than on new cars.
 
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Anyone on a pcp deal who's traded there car in after a year?

I remember the salesman mentioning people trading in after a year but I'm wondering how exactly it works.

Anyone done it and can shed some light?
Hi there I am currently in a 48 month pcp deal on my S1 and I have traded this in and collect my S3 in September and I haven't been stung with shortfall on the finance and my S1 will be 12 months old exactly when I part with it.
 
You're coming with me the next time I buy. I thought I was a good haggler! You robbed Audi! :respekt::respekt:
 
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Haha I have put sizeable deposits down into pcp deals before now and I have never benefited from doing so. I now put in the bear minimum I am putting 1% in on the S3 and I am more than happy with the payments I have been quoted. And I normally swop my vehicle every 12 to 18 month.
 
Think I'll just go down to audi and have a chat, see how things will work out and what can be done. If I don't change I dont change. I'll wait til it's viable
 
No harm in going in and finding out if they want the sale sometimes it's quite surprising what they will do to get you out of the current vehicle and into something else.
 
No harm in going in and finding out if they want the sale sometimes it's quite surprising what they will do to get you out of the current vehicle and into something else.

Yeah it's just an idea for now, the 1.8 is a lovely engine but it's boring me already. Want to see what options I have before I go stage 2
 
No harm in going in and finding out if they want the sale sometimes it's quite surprising what they will do to get you out of the current vehicle and into something else.
How did you find the S1, going off thread a little? Looks like a wicked little car, very intriguing!
 
Is it worth hanging on to your car for 3 years maybe or changing after 1 or 2 years?
 
I'm taking a slightly longer term view on this but also considering trading up early. 14months into a 48month deal and loving my 1st Audi (2.0tdi S line) but loving all these S3's more and wanting one on my drive!!! I put down a big FAT deposit of £6k on a £26k spec car ( 6% discount &1st PCP deal, live & learn). If I can't shake this itch I'll be paying the dealer a visit soon for a test drive and to see what can be done with plans to order for March 2016. I think the chances of this not happening are pretty slim
 
How did you find the S1, going off thread a little? Looks like a wicked little car, very intriguing!
If I'm honest I haven't been to keen on my S1 I find the driving experience quite dull and it struggles to excite me not saying there not a quick little car but I had a fiat 500 abarth and for fun factor that won hands down but the S3 seems to combine comfort and speed which I like also I love the S TRONIC gearbox in the S3
 
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You can PCP any car so long as it's not more than 7 years old by the end of the agreement.
 
If I'm honest I haven't been to keen on my S1 I find the driving experience quite dull and it struggles to excite me not saying there not a quick little car but I had a fiat 500 abarth and for fun factor that won hands down but the S3 seems to combine comfort and speed which I like also I love the S TRONIC gearbox in the S3
interesting i am trading up from s1 to s3 too after 12 months ownership, my s1 is year old next week as one of the first s1s in country and my third a1. I have loved car but it is not too comfortable and I think s3 with mag ride will be perfect comfort, speed and improved cabin quality too. I have gone for manual though again. Oh and the s1 on pc p has broken even dealer settling what I owe so hold its value really well.
 
The PCP is only a finance contract, you can break it at any time, be that in month 1, month 10 or month 30, all you do if you want a new car is P/X the car in and clear that finance agreement.

The longer you are into a contract, the more likely it is you will have some equity in the car and vice versa, the shorter you are in contract, the more likely it is you'll be in negative equity. All depends on the deposit you initially put in and the value of your car at the time.

For example, with the guy above in the S1 and his £500 deposit, he may well have had equity in his past PX car + his £500 putting down a high initial deposit or he may not have any equity in his S1 going onto his new car but also small or no discount on the new car.

Dealers are sneaky and never lose out.

For example, let's just say...

Audi S1 - Finance owing £23k
Cap/Trade/P/X Value is £21k
Dealer clears the £23k outstanding balance on customers finance agreement to clear the slate
Dealer has already contributed £2k to the deal on the new car

Audi S3 - £36k (Normally you would get £3k off this as discount) but due to the £2k above, you only get £1k discount, customer pays £1k deposit himself and finances £34k on his £36k list price S3.

Customer comes to trade the S3 in at 12 months time but finds the CAP value is only £26k and outstanding finance £31k, there's now £5k negative equity, customer has to now pay a much bigger deposit to buy himself out, dealer may help out again to the tune of £2-3k (But that's taken from the discount price on the next car) which means you end up paying full list price on the next car, you then get yourself into even more negative equity 12 months further down the line if you decide to trade in early again

That is the way short term PCP's normally work out, but not always, it really depends on the car. The S1 is rare and values hold up much better than S3's do. I suspect if the poster above tries that again after 12 months with his S3, there will be mega amounts of negative equity.

All you need to be aware of is the outstanding balance on your finance agreement and the value of your car. You can do this by going to we buy any car, putting in your registration and you'll find out your trade value of your car. This is the figure your Audi dealership will use, give or take £500.
 
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Audi were almost insistent on a 10% deposit for my S3 - finally agreed on just under half that with 50% on order, balance on collection. Almost walk away territory too so i'm not sure how some people are paying £500 deposits. I swear with both the deposit and 8% discount elements of my deal they'd have let me get up and walk out rather than do anything else on the deal.
 
interesting i am trading up from s1 to s3 too after 12 months ownership, my s1 is year old next week as one of the first s1s in country and my third a1. I have loved car but it is not too comfortable and I think s3 with mag ride will be perfect comfort, speed and improved cabin quality too. I have gone for manual though again. Oh and the s1 on pc p has broken even dealer settling what I owe so hold its value really well.
I can certainly agree with the comfort side I suffer from a bad back as it is and I find it a very uncomfortable drive. And yes exactly the same boat dealer settling the finance with no shortfall.
 
Audi were almost insistent on a 10% deposit for my S3 - finally agreed on just under half that with 50% on order, balance on collection. Almost walk away territory too so i'm not sure how some people are paying £500 deposits. I swear with both the deposit and 8% discount elements of my deal they'd have let me get up and walk out rather than do anything else on the deal.
So on my s1 i put down £2k deposit, so if dealer is settling my finance then I have lost that in year I owned car which I think is not too bad for loss on new car. S3 is £35k but I have negotiated 11.5% off car and its down to £31k. I am putting in 2k deposit. Based upon good discount i have I reckon if i came to change in future at about 20 months car value and outstanding finance should be about in step.
 
hi all, not a regular poster but I dip in & out and read these forums occassionally. Ive just come to the end of a 5yr pcp on an 8p s3 I had from new since 2010. looked after it, did 15k miles per year, put down 2k at start of the contract. Car was valued at £18600 and i owed £7k at the end, fiannce company said he had never seen so much equity in a car. Just food for thought if you spec the right car and see cntract to the end
 
Problem on valuation is that most of the extras mean nothing. Your book value will be mileage adjusted on a standard list price, so if your car list was £32k, you had £8k of extras and got it for £36k your 3 year valuation would be say 50% of £32k - same regardless of 12k of extras and a different discount on the same car, that book value would still likely be £16k. The desirable extras make the difference on two things - how much mark-up they can then make on it and how quick they can shift it.
 
hi all, not a regular poster but I dip in & out and read these forums occassionally. Ive just come to the end of a 5yr pcp on an 8p s3 I had from new since 2010. looked after it, did 15k miles per year, put down 2k at start of the contract. Car was valued at £18600 and i owed £7k at the end, fiannce company said he had never seen so much equity in a car. Just food for thought if you spec the right car and see cntract to the end

Whoever has offered you £18600 on a 5yr old S3 with 75k miles on then snatch their arm off immediately!!
 
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lol I did just that
 
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I'm in no position to offer a clear answer as this is new ground for me too, I think it's pretty covered above though. I called the dealer today to test the water (Audi should fund this flipping Forum because I swear without it, this thought would be further from my mind than Blatter from the USA). No big surprise with the hefty deposit but I'm in positive already. That situation will just improve as the months go on. I've asked for more financial info and to give an indication of what they may be prepared to do, then it's just down to me to decide if it's worth pulling the trigger early. That'll mean a test drive and giving the wife a story about why I need it / have to have it / once in a life time offer / it's the DPF dear, should have got a petrol......honest!
 
Value of the car is the real determining factor and is based on mileage. For example from my own experience I've gone over the proposed mileage of my current S3 having done 24k miles in Year 1 vs 15k miles agreed on PCP and continuing on at the same rate (2k per month). My deposit was relatively small £1200 + £1200 dealer.

Car is currently valued at trade of about £19k whilst owing is £24k. So about £5k negative!!! Had I kept my car within the mileage terms of 15k the negative would be subsequently different.
My guess would be go short term/high miles (but pay higher monthlys!) for quicker Positive Equity if you're wanting a quick trade in after 12/18months of ownership. The downside would be the higher monthlys due to higher borrowing (therefore more interest!)

Might not be fully correct but it's my understanding from my experience.
 
It would be good if we had sort of tool to use to work out deposit v payments v negitive equity v car value. After only a few months of owning an S3 I have the itch for a tuned cooper s (r53).

I have a PCP with audi and they messed up the registration number on all the paperwork, so technically im paying for someone elses car. They dont have my registration number on any system in VW finance either.
 

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